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[ll74]

you only know that after the fact

Sometimes, that is correct.

 

[KeithD]

Israel declared its independence,

Tilt. Israel never had a "declared its independence" phase. Israel was never dependent. Zionists invaded Palestine over the attempts of the then allied nations to prevent them doing so, declared the existence of Israel, and started pushing out and subjugating those who were already there.

Have you actually researched the establishment of Israel?

 

[mrno]

Where would they demonstrate? Rafah? Warzone.

Difficult to demonstrate.

Not to mention, the people who created the warzone typically aren't supported.

I say this with all understanding that Hamas initiated this. The people of Gaza will not be demonstrating at all...they're busy moving to shelters.

Not just demonstrate now. Were there EVER demonstrations for peace, for opposition to Hamas?

 

[ll74]

Not just demonstrate now. Were there EVER demonstrations for peace, for opposition to Hamas?

You ask that a lot.

 

[Rightguide]

People who participate in hostilities are not civilians.

Correct.

Stop with the Bullshit. Terrorists do not have military status under the law of war.

 

[ll74]

Stop with the Bullshit. Terrorists do not have military status under the law of war.

I never said anything about military status.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Tilt. Israel never had a "declared its independence" phase. Israel was never dependent. Zionists invaded Palestine over the attempts of the then allied nations to prevent them doing so, declared the existence of Israel, and started pushing out and subjugating those who were already there.

Have you actually researched the establishment of Israel?

Jews never "invaded" Palestine. They were living there along with the Arabs under the British mandate. What the Zionists did was put pressure on the British to end their colonial rule and partition the territory into Jewish and Arab spheres. The Jewish part became Israel, and the Arab part became Jordan. Almost immediately after Israel was formed, its Arab neighbors expelled their Jews and attacked the new Jewish nation.

For example this is the Jewish city of Tev Aviv in the 1930's, more than 10 years before Israel was founded.

 

[Rightguide]

I never said anything about military status.

That makes them civilians.

 

[KeithD]

Jews never "invaded" Palestine. They were living there along with the Arabs under the British mandate. What the Zionists did was put pressure on the British to end their colonial rule and partition the territory into Jewish and Arab spheres. The Jewish part became Israel, and the Arab part became Jordan. Almost immediately after Israel was formed, its Arab neighbors expelled their Jews and attacked the new Jewish nation.

For example this is the Jewish city of Tev Aviv in the 1930's, more than 10 years before Israel was founded.

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Wow. Ever seen the movie "Exodus"? Are you purposely ignoring my specification of "Zionists"? Do you have any understanding of who the Zionists were/are? Are you denying the continuous dislocation of Palestinians from their traditional homes in what is now Israel? If so, you are off-the-chart bonkers.

 

[ll74]

That makes them civilians.

Civilians don't engage in hostilities.

Round and round we go.

 

[Lazaran]

Are you purposely ignoring

Irony ^.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Wow. Ever seen the movie "Exodus"? Are you purposely ignoring my specification of "Zionists"? Do you have any understanding of who the Zionists were/are? Are you denying the continuous dislocation of Palestinians from their traditional homes in what is now Israel? If so, you are off-the-chart bonkers.

The Zionist movement began in the 19th Century to build a Jewish homeland in the Levant. Initially, the Zionists purchased marginal land from Arabs who were happy to sell it. For example, the city of Tel Aviv was founded on sand dunes north of Jaffa. When the British took over Palestine from the Turks after World War I, the Zionists started pressuring the British to give up on Palestine as a colony and return it to the Jews and Arabs living there.

The Jewish population in Palestine swelled in the 1930s with Jews fleeing from the Nazis. When Zionist pressure on Britain finally worked in the 1940s, the population of the new nation of Israel grew further as they took in the Jews who were expelled from Arab-controlled countries like Egypt, Yemen, Iraq, and Iran.

 

[KeithD]

When Zionist pressure on Britain finally worked in the 1940s, the population of the new nation of Israel grew further as they took in the Jews who were expelled from Arab-controlled countries like Egypt, Yemen, Iraq, and Iran.

And this was when they started to displace non-Jews in Palestine. You simply refuse to accept the reality that there were non-Jews in Palestine and that Israel has systematically subjugated and displaced them since 1948.

I've had enough of your failure to be fair about this. Off you go on ignore.

 

[KeithD]

Irony ^.

I'm game. What is it you think I'm ignoring? And before you come up with some knee-jerk response, be sure to review my posts to ensure I've ignored something. I've only dwelled on the Palestinians' subjugation and displacement because posters like you won't admit it happened/is happening.

Be careful. because I've just about had enough of your pigheadedness on this issue too.

 

[Lazaran]

I'm game. What is it you think I'm ignoring? And before you come up with some knee-jerk response, be sure to review my posts to ensure I've ignored something. I've only dwelled on the Palestinians' subjugation and displacement because posters like you won't admit it happened/is happening.

Be careful. because I've just about had enough of your pigheadedness on this issue too.

I see you just put BSG on ignore for blowing up your biased, myopic narrative.

Thin skinned impotent little tyrant.



And: “Be careful" ???



GTFO

“Off you go to ignore”.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

And this was when they started to displace non-Jews in Palestine. You simply refuse to accept the reality that there were non-Jews in Palestine and that Israel has systematically subjugated and displaced them since 1948.

I've had enough of your failure to be fair about this. Off you go on ignore.

You refuse to accept that there were Jews living in Palestine before Israel was created in 1948. Many of the first citizens of Israel were Jews fleeing from Arab massacres in the surrounding states. That’s why there are lots of Arabs in Israel, but no Jews in Egypt or Iran.

The last Jew in Yemen died a few days ago in his 90s. He was the last survivor of a Jewish community that had existed continuously since before the destruction of the 2nd Temple by the Romans. Most Yemeni Jews were driven out by the Arabs in the late 1940s.

 

[KeithD]

I see you just put BSG on ignore for blowing up your biased, myopic narrative.

Thin skinned impotent little tyrant.



And: “Be careful" ???



GTFO

“Off you go to ignore”.

No, I didn't think you'd have anything to back up your claim I've been ignoring anything on this issue. Bye.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Remind me again what precipitated / necessitated the Israeli settlements in Gaza and The West Bank after Israel declared independence post WWII and the ACTUAL genocide that had been perpetrated against the Jews???


Remind me again what happened when the Israelis abandoned the settlements in Gaza???


The fact is: The Arabs / Muslims in the region have been playing “Boil the frog” with Israel since Israel declared its independence, by engaging in perpetual open warfare, terror attacks, and gray-zone warfare, in a transparent attempt to wear down the Israeli’s resolve, and to steal / appropriate ALL of the Israeli’s hard won territory and treasure.

FUCK THAT ^ !!!

You really want to go there?
Hokay...back in 1967 at the end of the Six Day War, Israel refused to cede back conquered territory in Gaza to the rightful owners, Egypt. They unilaterally abrogated their commitment to the Geneva Accords. Since then, Gaza has been referred to as "Illegal Military Occupied Territory" by the United Nations.

Israel ran little "detention camps" for military age Palestinians inside Gaza until 2005, perfecting the art of holding civilians without charges indefinitely (which they do to this day within the relative safety of Israeli borders). Israel removed their troops in 2005 and created a naval blockade of Gaza shortly afterwards. A "naval blockade" is technically an act of war, but as Israel often opines "treaty, schmeaty".

Since then Israel has kept a slow suffocation of the Palestinian people in Gaza. When Israel fucked up and left the landside borders undefended, they suffered civilian casualties when the "prisoners" revolted. Now Israel is engaged in genocidal action against Gaza, and world opinion has turned decisively against feckless Israel's cowardly actions.

Here is a good synopsis of Israel's tyrannical occupation of Gaza
https://i.imgur.com/1KSnXfz.png

 

[Lazaran]

You really want to go there?
Hokay...back in 1967 at the end of the Six Day War, Israel refused to cede back conquered territory in Gaza to the rightful owners, Egypt.

You were soooooo close here.



And once again, you suggest with your lazy twitter rebuttal that Israel is solely responsible for the Palestinian’s plight.

Are you a KeithD alt???

 

[mrno]

You ask that a lot.

Well, no one will answer it.

 

[ll74]

Well, no one will answer it.

Nobody cares and you haven't explained why it matters to you.

Maybe work on that.

 

[ll74]

Well, no one will answer it.

Probably can find out on your own, since you're interested

But you're not

Thousands take to streets in Gaza in rare public display of discontent with Hamas​

 

[RobDownSouth]

You were soooooo close here.



And once again, you suggest with your lazy twitter rebuttal that Israel is solely responsible for the Palestinian’s plight.

Are you a KeithD alt???

Tsk.

Didja see Netanyahu bent the knee to world pressure and announced the "intense" phase of the invasion was drawing to a close?

The US seems to be refusing to resupply 2000-lb bombs to Israel. 500-pounders is all they get going forward. How the heck can you run a proper genocide on 500-pound bombs?

Netanyahu publicly decried the "lack of support" from America last week.

Through diplomatic channels, the US government told him that was "untrue and not helpful".

A tone deaf Netanyahu pushed the same line again...
This time the US State Department publicly scolded Netanyahu and called him a liar.

End Result? Israel won all the battles and still lost the war.
https://i.imgur.com/MTIbip8.png

 

[Lazaran]

Tsk.

Didja see Netanyahu bent the knee to world pressure and announced the "intense" phase of the invasion was drawing to a close?

The US seems to be refusing to resupply 2000-lb bombs to Israel. 500-pounders is all they get going forward. How the heck can you run a proper genocide on 500-pound bombs?

Netanyahu publicly decried the "lack of support" from America last week.

Through diplomatic channels, the US government told him that was "untrue and not helpful".

A tone deaf Netanyahu pushed the same line again...
This time the US State Department publicly scolded Netanyahu and called him a liar.

End Result? Israel won all the battles and still lost the war.
https://i.imgur.com/MTIbip8.png

???

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

A gang of anti-Israel thugs attacked an orthodox shul in LA today. The Jews knew they were coming because of chatter on social media and begged the police to protect them, but the cops said they’d been ordered to “stand down”.

A pogrom was averted by the neighborhood Jews taking to the streets to protect their shul. The cops finally started making arrests when there were fist-fights on the sidewalk.