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[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...1&cvid=00168819913249d3a0d21734769175fa&ei=33

US to carry out sustained series of humanitarian aid air drops

 

[ll74]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...1&cvid=00168819913249d3a0d21734769175fa&ei=33

US to carry out sustained series of humanitarian aid air drops

Politically, this is becoming untenable for Biden. I think the far left would rather throw Biden under the bus and not vote than prevent a worse policy under Trump.

 

[RobDownSouth]

How many "good guys"are there is a war Robbie? War is Hell. You can't start one and then expect it to stop when it goes sideways.

Collective punishment.
We used to hang Nazis for that.
Your grand daddy served in the Reich, right?

 

[RobDownSouth]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...1&cvid=00168819913249d3a0d21734769175fa&ei=33

US to carry out sustained series of humanitarian aid air drops

The Israelis screwed the pooch on their chance to do it.
The Israelis find ways to "disappear" UN relief aid.
The Israelis won't fuck with their sugar daddy. Sadly, the US has to get involved
The Israelis have shown no respect for anyone other than themselves, but lack the willpower to directly confront the USA.

 

[KeithD]

Reports are in that the U.S. is going to airdrop relief supplies into Gaza. I so hope they drop a lot of it and when the Israelis complain, they say, "Shut the fuck up."

 

[RobDownSouth]

Reports are in that the U.S. is going to airdrop relief supplies into Gaza. I so hope they drop a lot of it and when the Israelis complain, they say, "Shut the fuck up."

I missed this important little nugget the first time....from Newsweek
https://i.imgur.com/bhKUTLd.png
"possibly a marine corridor". This is huge.
Israel has had a complete naval blockade of Gaza and prohibited any and all shipping into Gaza, using Israeli commandos to board ships it feels are in violation of their embargo.

President Biden is essentially saying "Come at me, bro...the United States will be landing relief ships in Gaza if airdrops are confiscated"

It's worth noting that Israel is currently the only country in the world that is undefeated in naval warfare against the United States, having successfully sunk the USS Liberty in 1967, killing 34 American sailors.

 

[Lazaran]

I missed this important little nugget the first time....from Newsweek
https://i.imgur.com/bhKUTLd.png
"possibly a marine corridor". This is huge.
Israel has had a complete naval blockade of Gaza and prohibited any and all shipping into Gaza, using Israeli commandos to board ships it feels are in violation of their embargo.

President Biden is essentially saying "Come at me, bro...the United States will be landing relief ships in Gaza if airdrops are confiscated"

It's worth noting that Israel is currently the only country in the world that is undefeated in naval warfare against the United States, having successfully sunk the USS Liberty in 1967, killing 34 American sailors.

The deliveries will still need to be inspected, distributed in a secure manner, and concentrated into the hands of TRULY innocent civilians, or we will simply be facilitating / perpetuating the Hamas animal’s ability to hold out against Israeli efforts to supplant them as the controlling entity among Palestinians.



Or, are SOME people "OK” with the Hamas animals remaining in power in Gaza after their October 7th rape, torture, murder, and kidnapping operation???



I think we need to understand that Israel will not (and should not, imho) accept the continued existence of the Hamas animals as the ruling faction in Gaza.

I also think the Israeli people need to oust Netanyahu and the far right coalition from power at the first opportunity. They failed on sooooo many levels.

 

[LLCox]

Reports are in that the U.S. is going to airdrop relief supplies into Gaza. I so hope they drop a lot of it and when the Israelis complain, they say, "Shut the fuck up."

The Philistines whine, "IT's NOT ENOUGH". Screw those ungrateful animals, they deserve nothing.
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[RobDownSouth]

The deliveries will still need to be inspected, distributed in a secure manner, and concentrated into the hands of TRULY innocent civilians, or we will simply be facilitating / perpetuating the Hamas animal’s ability to hold out against Israeli efforts to supplant them as the controlling entity among Palestinians.

My understanding is that three NGO relief ships stocked full of medical supplies were previously stopped and diverted to ports where Israelis "inspected" the cargo. I believe the pilferage rate was something like 40%? Not sure on that one.

Oxygen cylinders for use in hospitals were confiscated, seeing as there are no remaining hospitals in Gaza means these cylinders could be repurpose as weapons of war. I'm kidding, we all know they were sent to Israel as spoils of war. Ditto anesthesia supplies as well.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

The Philistines whine, "IT's NOT ENOUGH". Screw those ungrateful animals, they deserve nothing.
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This is straight up evil.

It is demonstrably not enough for a population of 2.3 million where:

All agricultural land has ben destroyed.
All civilian restaurants, bakeries, and more, have been destroyed.
A quarter of natural wells have been destroyed.
Aid is now down to under 60 trucks a day, which is a minuscule amount.
Israel is actively blocking aid in and people getting in to help.
UNWRA being defunded with evidence has forced them to curtail operations.

People in Gaza are not whining, they are screaming. They are literally being obliterated.

By the way - recent reports on Al Jazeera and France 24 put significant doubt on the Israeli version of events with the aid trucks by way of the IDF’s own contradicting statement AND FOOTAGE they took at the scene.

The reason the world is starting to properly wake up to what is happening is because it is becoming clear we are days away from mass starvation, 10 children and two adults having died this week as a result of malnutrition.

The pro Israeli posters here, as ever, showing their lack of humanity.

 

[KeithD]

Yep, it's definitely time for the United States to break drastically from Israel on this. A massive airdrop of relief aid directly into Gaza and a public "Get fucked" to Israel on this point is what's needed in the short term.

LATER: The airdrop started this morning, Saturday. Good.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The incident was a giant Israeli clusterfuck, start to finish. Israel told the UN it would handle relief supplies instead of them this past weekend. The UN had the process down to a science, rolling in with security, setting up queues, etc.

The Israelis just had random trucks coming in, honking horns. Refugees had NO idea what was going on, at first thought it was an attack or something, then when they realized there was FOOD they mobbed the trucks. The Israeli Genocide Force thought the refugees were "attacking" the Israeli trucks (*wink *nudge) and made matters worse by firing shots in the air.

That panicked the crowd even more (Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!) so the Israeli Genocide Force started "firing at their feet" (Not unlike the Buffalo NY police dept in 2019, many headwounds from "shots at the ground).

The usual Israeli Genocide Force massacre, excuse me, "chaotic incident" occurred.

No regard for civilians. Untermench.

Oh my, this story still "has legs" after four complete 24-hour news cycles. What CNN termed a "refugee camp 'chaotic incident' " now has it's own Wikipedia page cryptically entitled "Al Rashid Humanitarian Aid Incident" and there is some serious debate about renaming it to "Al Rashid Humanitarian Aid Massacre".

Over on X formerly know as Twitter, it has become increasingly common to refer to the event as the "Flour Massacre".

 

[ll74]

I keep trying to figure out the objectives that Israel is aiming for. Their bombings have led to hostages' deaths. Out of all the current effort, Hamas is mostly intact.

So the two objectives they've said they are wanting have actually not gotten any closer.

'Excess deaths' in Gaza for next 6 months projected in first-of-its-kind effort​

Here are their projections​

Even if ongoing ceasefire talks are successful, the humanitarian crisis could claim an additional 6,550 to 11,580 lives by August 6, on top of the 29,000 deaths documented by the Gaza Ministry of Health when the study was published last week. Now, the death toll exceeds 30,000.

If a ceasefire isn't reached and fighting continues apace over the same timeframe, the researchers project between 58,260 and 66,720 excess deaths — fatalities caused directly by Israel's military or indirectly by factors like disease and restricted access to medical care or sanitation.

 

[KeithD]

I keep trying to figure out the objectives that Israel is aiming for. Their bombings have led to hostages' deaths. Out of all the current effort, Hamas is mostly intact.

So the two objectives they've said they are wanting have actually not gotten any closer.

'Excess deaths' in Gaza for next 6 months projected in first-of-its-kind effort​

It's a very Trumpian scenario. A leader doing everything he can to stay out of prison for crimes he actually committed. Very Trumpian.

 

[Rightguide]

Reichy believes that deterrence by force or by throwing your dick on the table in aeasuring contest is the only way to stop people from doing bad things.

One can only assume that he was beaten quite often in his youth and yet still won't stop being a dick.

No, the object is to kill bad people.

 

[Rightguide]

Please at least attempt to provide sources. The thread is meant to provide information rather than your perspective on your own information.

The source is his prejudice.

 

[Rightguide]

It's a very Trumpian scenario. A leader doing everything he can to stay out of prison for crimes he actually committed. Very Trumpian.

Trump's alleged crimes are yet to be proven in court.

 

[Rightguide]

Collective punishment.
We used to hang Nazis for that.
Your grand daddy served in the Reich, right?

The American and allied bombings of Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Berlin, Ploesti, Hamburg (Operation Gomorrah), Cologne, Kassel, Darmstadt, Swinemünde, and Dresden, were all collective punishment bombings. Did your grandfather wet his pants over those?

 

[RobDownSouth]

The American and allied bombings of Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Berlin, Ploesti, Hamburg (Operation Gomorrah), Cologne, Kassel, Darmstadt, Swinemünde, and Dresden, were all collective punishment bombings. Did your grandfather wet his pants over those?

War had been declared, Einstein. Industrial strategic targets are fair game in war. There was no heavy industry in Koln (Cologne), but that was the very first "terrorist" bombing of the 20th Century, planned and executed by the British RAF.

So to summarize: fuck your pathetic attempts at whattaboutism and deflection.

 

[Rightguide]

War had been declared, Einstein. Industrial strategic targets are fair game in war. There was no heavy industry in Koln (Cologne), but that was the very first "terrorist" bombing of the 20th Century, planned and executed by the British RAF.

So to summarize: fuck your pathetic attempts at whattaboutism and deflection.

War was declared in Gaza as well by both sides. One side by over-border hostile action the other by its justifiable response. The fact that your side, HAMAS, decides to hide its cowardly self under schools, Hospitals, and refugee camps, does not diminish Israel's right to go after all of them with overwhelming force. Terrorists are not entitled to benefit from the laws of war. All civilian casualties that result from this justifiable extermination are on Hamas, its supporters, and its financiers.

So in summary, fuck you and your ignorant attempts at deflection.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

War was declared in Gaza as well by both sides. One side by over-border hostile action the other by its justifiable response. The fact that your side, HAMAS, decides to hide its cowardly self under schools, Hospitals, and refugee camps, does not diminish Israel's right to go after all of them with overwhelming force. Terrorists are not entitled to benefit from the laws of war. All civilian casualties that result from this justifiable extermination are on Hamas, its supporters, and its financiers.

So in summary, fuck you and your ignorant attempts at deflection.

Has any material proof been shown of any of these bloody tunnels yet that didn’t turn out to be a half arsed IDF attempt at justifying bombing virtually everything?

I accept Hamas has tunnels: I do not accept, and neither do most structural engineers the world other, that there was anything ike that described by Israel in Gaza.

Particularly given there’s been a blockade on building materials for a decade, no sign of any actual tunnels under any of the destroyed buildings, and given the water content of the land and the consistency of the soil, unlikely to be so many tunnels without causing the collapse of buildings without bombing by way of damaging foundations, for which there are zero reports in Gaza.

 

[RobDownSouth]

War was declared in Gaza as well by both sides. One side by over-border hostile action the other by its justifiable response. The fact that your side, HAMAS, decides to hide its cowardly self under schools, Hospitals, and refugee camps, does not diminish Israel's right to go after all of them with overwhelming force. Terrorists are not entitled to benefit from the laws of war. All civilian casualties that result from this justifiable extermination are on Hamas, its supporters, and its financiers.

So in summary, fuck you and your ignorant attempts at deflection.

"but but TERRORISM" excuses an awful lot of sins to people like you.
And of course, anything your don't like is technically "terrorism".

Hamas built tunnels since Israel refused to allow the importation of concrete for over a decade, that's "terrorism'.

 

[Rightguide]

Has any material proof been shown of any of these bloody tunnels yet that didn’t turn out to be a half arsed IDF attempt at justifying bombing virtually everything?

I accept Hamas has tunnels: I do not accept, and neither do most structural engineers the world other, that there was anything ike that described by Israel in Gaza.

Particularly given there’s been a blockade on building materials for a decade, no sign of any actual tunnels under any of the destroyed buildings, and given the water content of the land and the consistency of the soil, unlikely to be so many tunnels without causing the collapse of buildings without bombing by way of damaging foundations, for which there are zero reports in Gaza.

There are hundreds of hours of video of these tunnels on Youtube and elsewhere on the Internet.

 

[Rightguide]

"but but TERRORISM" excuses an awful lot of sins to people like you.
And of course, anything your don't like is technically "terrorism".

Hamas built tunnels since Israel refused to allow the importation of concrete for over a decade, that's "terrorism'.

Look what 9-11 terrorism brought forth, a million or more dead and absolute destruction in the Middle East, and come back and whine about it to me some more.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

There are hundreds of hours of video of these tunnels on Youtube and elsewhere on the Internet.

No, there isn’t. I’ve checked. A lot of it is the same stuff the IDF have posed over and over again. Need I remind everyone about the so called “guard roster” that turned out to be a hand written calendar…