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[RobDownSouth]

You just posted a video of a Palestinian propagandist justifying / condoning the Hamas animal’s October 7th GENOCIDAL rape, torture, murder, and kidnapping operation.

I sure did post that Palestinian propagandist, debate was getting more than a bit one-sided here. I felt she made some good points.

Also, "refusal to condemn" is not the same as "justifying/condoning" in my book. YMMV.

And I guarantee that Israel is showing more restraint than I would recommend to our leaders if those Hamas animals were constantly terrorizing America with indiscriminate rocket attacks and constant gray zone warfare tactics - WITH the APPARENT support of the general Palestinian "civilian" population. - Not to mention the October 7th GENOCIDAL rape, torture, murder, and kidnapping operation.

You can lecture us all about Gaza committing "Genocide" all you like, but the casualty rate of somewhere around 15-20 to 1 is a much better indicator to me about who is committing genocide on who.

Side note: Have you seen the latest slick PR trick from the IDF? Captive female Israeli soldiers are being called "hostages". I'm so old I remember when captured soldiers were called "Prisoners of War".

 

[ll74]

An objective thought experiment.
The stated objectives of the Israel response to October 7 has been
1. Destruction of Hamas
2. Freeing of Hamas hostages

Since the start of the response, is Israel closer to those goals?
Is there any possible path to either of those things? (Keep in mind both ISIS and al Qaeda continue to exist)

 

[pocjet]

An objective thought experiment.
The stated objectives of the Israel response to October 7 has been
1. Destruction of Hamas
2. Freeing of Hamas hostages

Since the start of the response, is Israel closer to those goals?
Is there any possible path to either of those things? (Keep in mind both ISIS and al Qaeda continue to exist)

1-No
2-No

 

[pocjet]

I sure did post that Palestinian propagandist, debate was getting more than a bit one-sided here. I felt she made some good points.

Also, "refusal to condemn" is not the same as "justifying/condoning" in my book. YMMV.

You can lecture us all about Gaza committing "Genocide" all you like, but the casualty rate of somewhere around 15-20 to 1 is a much better indicator to me about who is committing genocide on who.

Side note: Have you seen the latest slick PR trick from the IDF? Captive female Israeli soldiers are being called "hostages". I'm so old I remember when captured soldiers were called "Prisoners of War".

then you should also KNOW that the GC and "rules of war" dont apply to terrorists

 

[silky52]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1748104968781848903

 

[silky52]

Everything? So Genocide is then "legitimately" justified?

There is NO genocide in Gaza. Genocide was committed on October 7th in Israel when Hamas-ISIs invaded Israeli territory and committed beyond the imagination atrocities. Please educated yourself!

 

[ll74]

There is NO genocide in Gaza. Genocide was committed on October 7th in Israel when Hamas-ISIs invaded Israeli territory and committed beyond the imagination atrocities. Please educated yourself!

What, specifically is the definition of genocide?

 

[silky52]

An objective thought experiment.
The stated objectives of the Israel response to October 7 has been
1. Destruction of Hamas
2. Freeing of Hamas hostages

Since the start of the response, is Israel closer to those goals?
Is there any possible path to either of those things? (Keep in mind both ISIS and al Qaeda continue to exist)

So what are you saying? Israel should just pack up and go home, without the hostages, without destroying Hamas-ISIS? Don't you think that the Israeli government knew all of this long before HI began their atrocities?

 

[silky52]

What, specifically is the definition of genocide?

The word “genocide” did not exist prior to 1944. It is a very specific term coined by a Polish-Jewish lawyer named Raphael Lemkin (1900–1959) who sought to describe Nazi policies of systematic murder during the Holocaust, including the destruction of European Jews. He formed the word genocide by combining geno-, from the Greek word for race or tribe, with -cide, from the Latin word for killing.

 

[ll74]

So what are you saying? Israel should just pack up and go home, without the hostages, without destroying Hamas-ISIS? Don't you think that the Israeli government knew all of this long before HI began their atrocities?

I asked specific questions. I am not saying anything about the answers.to those questions, except that Israel should.also be asking them.

As for whether the Israeli government knew they couldn't achieve their stated objectives or not.....good question

 

[ll74]

The word “genocide” did not exist prior to 1944. It is a very specific term coined by a Polish-Jewish lawyer named Raphael Lemkin (1900–1959) who sought to describe Nazi policies of systematic murder during the Holocaust, including the destruction of European Jews. He formed the word genocide by combining geno-, from the Greek word for race or tribe, with -cide, from the Latin word for killing.

So did Hamas kill a race on October 7?
Has Israel killed a race or a tribe since then?

I asked for the definition because I believe the word.is being thrown around rather loosely and it's important to put things in context.

I don't believe genocide is occurring.

 

[Shaglus_Ziegler]

You are the type who would have called Steven Hawking dumb.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisha...-americans-with-disabilities/?sh=38886f451a82

https://www.uclahealth.org/news/joe-bidens-history-of-stuttering-sheds-light-on-the-condition

https://niemanreports.org/articles/biden-stutter/

You're the insensitive asshole laughing at a person's lifelong physical disorder. Try talking with some marbles in your mouth and see what you sound like.

You’re quite possibly the dumbest creature on here!! Thousands of videos of “Joe Biden” for years with no speech impediment. Willfully ignorant to the bone

 

[Shaglus_Ziegler]

I do find it interesting that Steven hawking was a frequent flyer on the Lolita express. That’s some shameless debauchery.

 

[ll74]

I do find it interesting that Steven hawking was a frequent flyer on the Lolita express. That’s some shameless debauchery.

Probably should delete this and put it in an appropriate thread that deals with your topic.

 

[Shaglus_Ziegler]

Hamas is evil and needs to face the same destruction as Isis.

We created isis as did israel create Hamas. Best way to control the opposition is to own it.

 

[Shaglus_Ziegler]

Probably should delete this and put it in an appropriate thread that deals with your topic.

Talk to fuzzy bro.

 

[ll74]

Talk to fuzzy bro.

Addressing you both actually.

 

[ll74]

An objective thought experiment.
The stated objectives of the Israel response to October 7 has been
1. Destruction of Hamas
2. Freeing of Hamas hostages

Since the start of the response, is Israel closer to those goals?
Is there any possible path to either of those things? (Keep in mind both ISIS and al Qaeda continue to exist)

Adding one more question here:
Is Israel safer because of their actions than they were?

 

[pocjet]

No change in safety

 

[ll74]

No change in safety

You have interesting answers.

 

[pocjet]

Israel is losing the war

War cabinet minister and former IDF chief of staff Gadi Eisenkot called for new elections and scoffed at Netanyahu’s promise to vanquish Hamas. Eisenkot, who lost a son fighting in Gaza, also declared that he had no confidence any longer in Netanyahu’s leadership:

The interview with Eisenkot aired hours after Netanyahu rejected the idea of holding elections in the middle of a war that he has said could well continue into 2025, and vowed to “bring complete victory” over Hamas in response to the Gaza-ruling terror group’s October 7 attacks, when thousands of terrorists went on a killing spree across southern Israel, massacring 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and taking some 240 as hostages.
“Whoever speaks of absolute defeat is not speaking the truth,” Eisenkot said in the interview. “That is why we should not tell stories… Today, the situation already in the Gaza Strip is such that the goals of the war have not yet been achieved.” …
Asked whether Israel’s current leadership is telling the public the truth, Eisenkot responded simply, “No,” and appeared to take a jab at Netanyahu’s refusal so far to take direct responsibility for the October 7 intelligence, military and leadership failures.
“I am already at the stage and at an age where I do not trust this or that leader with my eyes closed, and I judge a man by his decisions and the way he leads the country,” he said.

 

[ll74]

Israel is losing the war

War cabinet minister and former IDF chief of staff Gadi Eisenkot called for new elections and scoffed at Netanyahu’s promise to vanquish Hamas. Eisenkot, who lost a son fighting in Gaza, also declared that he had no confidence any longer in Netanyahu’s leadership:

Well, when the stated objectives can't be met, as you suggest, then the war was lost before it began.

 

[pocjet]

there is no alternative......

 

[pocjet]

I see lots of stories about cell phones n internet being out in Gaza, yet I see tons of TWEETS by Gazans so how can internet and cell be out? All lies!

 

[ll74]

there is no alternative......

Yes, that's what some have claimed.