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[BrightShinyGirl]

do you have proof that they 'refused' to put it up for debate, as in they took a deliberately anti-position on debating, or was there no debate for other, normal, even procedural reasons? The woman who stated the leaders didn't do things the way they usually do, to bolster their own agendas, may be one of the few (potentially) who didn't agree with the resolution for their own reasons.

However, having said that, yes, you are right that I misunderstood the size of numbers who actually voted (mistakenly accepting that the quoted 86% was of the total membership and not just of those from a much smaller group who voted, but I have yet to see the evidence about the actual percentage of the 500 who DO support/resist the resolution.

The IAGS has been actively recruiting new members:

"The association has recently expanded its membership and there are little qualifications to become a member. The association had been mostly made up of scholars, but now includes figures like activists and artists."

The vote says nothing about whether there's a genocide in Gaza. If there actually was, why the need for such shenanigans?

 

[butters]

The IAGS has been actively recruiting new members:

"The association has recently expanded its membership and there are little qualifications to become a member. The association had been mostly made up of scholars, but now includes figures like activists and artists."

The vote says nothing about whether there's a genocide in Gaza. If there actually was, why the need for such shenanigans?

so what?

a scholar with extensive knowledge cannot also be an activist or an artist?

what. the. hell? the resolution that was voted on was SPECIFICALLY about whether the legal definitions had been met.

THE HAGUE, Sept 1 (Reuters) - The world's biggest academic association of genocide scholars has passed a resolution saying the legal criteria have been met to establish Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, its president said on Monday.
Eighty-six percent of those who voted among the 500-member International Association of Genocide Scholars backed the resolution declaring Israel’s "policies and actions in Gaza" had met the legal definition set out in Article II of the 1948 UN convention on genocide.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...de-gaza-scholars-association-says-2025-09-01/

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

so what?

a scholar with extensive knowledge cannot also be an activist or an artist?

what. the. hell? the resolution that was voted on was SPECIFICALLY about whether the legal definitions had been met.


https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...de-gaza-scholars-association-says-2025-09-01/

Only 130 members voted. The rest abstained.

86% of 130 is 112. So actually about 80% of the total membership of 500 refused to say there's a genocide in Gaza. The whole sensationalistic story falls apart if you look at it closely.

It's the same as the breathless famine claims a few weeks ago which turned out to be staged photos of sick kids.

 

[butters]

Only 130 members voted. The rest abstained.

86% of 130 is 112. So actually about 80% of the total membership of 500 refused to say there's a genocide in Gaza. The whole sensationalistic story falls apart if you look at it closely.

It's the same as the breathless famine claims a few weeks ago which turned out to be staged photos of sick kids.

show me proof they were there and refused to vote

refusing to vote may show they weren't happy with certain wording or the procedural run up to the vote; it does not automatically equate to a refusal to vote and on the grounds that they disagreed with the resolution.

as for the breathless famine claims, you deserve to go on ignore for that. It is beneath you and it is certainly beneath me to entertain that shit.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

show me proof they were there and refused to vote

refusing to vote may show they weren't happy with certain wording or the procedural run up to the vote; it does not automatically equate to a refusal to vote and on the grounds that they disagreed with the resolution.

as for the breathless famine claims, you deserve to go on ignore for that. It is beneath you and it is certainly beneath me to entertain that shit.

Read the article I posted. Most of the genocide experts didn’t feel they had enough information to vote yes or no, so they abstained. It was an online vote and the leadership refused to allow any discussion beforehand.

 

[StrentWriter]

It's Hamas who has the stated goal of destroying an entire civilization of people.

This isn’t true anymore of Hamas, but it definitely is of Israel.

Like you can read, right?

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-eas...removal-from-government-s-terror-list/3544638

https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotr...est-bank-in-bid-to-prevent-palestinian-state/

Do you racist fuckers even believe your own hype at the moment?

Because support for your cause is collapsing worldwide under the weight of Israel’s war crimes.

Real antisemitism is on the rise because of fuckers like you. People who literally lie and say anything to justify Israel killing children daily.

Shame on you. Shame on you all.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

This isn’t true anymore of Hamas, but it definitely is of Israel.

Like you can read, right?

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-eas...removal-from-government-s-terror-list/3544638

https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotr...est-bank-in-bid-to-prevent-palestinian-state/

Do you racist fuckers even believe your own hype at the moment?

Because support for your cause is collapsing worldwide under the weight of Israel’s war crimes.

Real antisemitism is on the rise because of fuckers like you. People who literally lie and say anything to justify Israel killing children daily.

Shame on you. Shame on you all.

If Hamas doesn’t want to be seen as a terrorist organization they should release the remaining hostages as a demonstration of good will.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Debunking the Genocide Allegations:
A Reexamination of the Israel-Hamas War from October 7, 2023 to June 1, 2025​

It's a 300-page PDF, but it's pretty comprehensive:

• Chapter 1 examines accusations of the deliberate starvation of Gaza’s civilian population.
• Chapter 2 addresses the lack of sufficient context for understanding Israel’s military actions during the war, particularly the challenges of urban warfare. We focus primarily on Hamas’s “human shields” practice and overall strategy, recognizing that war is shaped by reciprocal measures taken by all parties involved. Thus, the actions of one side to the conflict cannot be assessed without considering those of its adversary.
• Chapter 3 provides an in-depth analysis of claims regarding deliberate killings of civilians.
• Chapter 4 investigates allegations that Israel systematically violated the principles of distinction and proportionality in its strikes on the Gaza Strip.
• Chapter 5 critically reviews Gaza Health Ministry (GMOH) data and manipulations. While recognizing the uncertainty of the available figures, we offer a speculative scenario for how these manipulations skewed the actual gender and age distribution of casualties, and draw conclusions as to plausible combatant-civilian casualty ratios.
• Chapter 6 explores the capability of UN agencies, humanitarian organizations, and major media outlets to assess humanitarian crises in closed societies under oppressive regimes such as Hamas-controlled Gaza. It draws a comparison to Iraq under U.S. sanctions between 1991 and 2003, and explores the inability of said organizations to pierce the heavy-handed humanitarian deceptions of the Iraqi regime.
• Chapter 7 evaluates the ability of UN agencies and human rights organizations to credibly distinguish between civilians and combatants among war casualties in contexts marked by manipulation and politicization within closed or controlled societies. This chapter includes findings from a comparative analysis of the 2002 Battle of Jenin, the 2006 Lebanon War, and previous conflicts in Gaza.
• Chapter 8 analyzes the methodologies used by UN agencies, human rights organizations, and affiliated journalists and researchers that have led to recurring analytical failures, as well as the lack of subsequent insights or corrective action, even when these failures were eventually acknowledged by the same organizations.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

100 weeks of torture and starvation is enough. Bring them home now!

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

20 minutes of October 7th atrocities.

This is the reality of the war. This is what Israel is fighting against.

 

[AnomalyLady]

This isn’t true anymore of Hamas, but it definitely is of Israel.

Like you can read, right?

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-eas...removal-from-government-s-terror-list/3544638

https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotr...est-bank-in-bid-to-prevent-palestinian-state/

Do you racist fuckers even believe your own hype at the moment?

Because support for your cause is collapsing worldwide under the weight of Israel’s war crimes.

Real antisemitism is on the rise because of fuckers like you. People who literally lie and say anything to justify Israel killing children daily.

Shame on you. Shame on you all.

Real antisemitism? Are you staying there is such a thing as warranted antisemitism?

 

[Lazaran]

show me proof they were there and refused to vote

refusing to vote may show they weren't happy with certain wording or the procedural run up to the vote; it does not automatically equate to a refusal to vote and on the grounds that they disagreed with the resolution.

as for the breathless famine claims, you deserve to go on ignore for that. It is beneath you and it is certainly beneath me to entertain that shit.

The famine claim relating to Gaza CITY is legit - but Gaza city (all of northern Gaza, actually) was / is an active war zone that Israel encouraged "Palestinian" civilians to evacuate a looooong time ago.

Hamas terrorists and sympathetic or coerced "Palestinian" civilians have defied / ignored the Israeli evacuation orders, and have contributed to the famine conditions in Gaza City / Northern Gaza.

Now to be fair, Israel HAS attacked Hamas fighters in southern Gaza, which has caused confusion & frustration among the "Palestinian" civilians, but that is ALSO the fault of Hamas for embedding with the "Palestinian" civilians and using them as human shields (See: The IDF killing of Mohammed Deif on the outskirts of Khan Younis in southern Gaza that resulted in the death of many innocent "Palestinian" civilians).

Southern Gaza is also overcrowded, so it would be no picnic for anyone in northern Gaza to evacuate to that area - but it’s better than the alternative…

The best scenario would have been the populace of Gaza (Hamas AND "Palestinian" civilians) refraining from attacking those humanitarian aid convoys, which resulted in the suspension of that effort, and the establishment of a far less efficient and far more dangerous system (The GHF), but alas…



Of course, Hanas fucking around when President Biden was trying to secure a ceasefire & hostage release / prisoner release did NOT help. And Arab / Muslim "Americans" voting for DonOld & the MAGAt republicans did NOT help either…

Now it is what it is…



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Real antisemitism? Are you staying there is such a thing as warranted antisemitism?

Jew-haters have always claimed they were doing noble, righteous work: From the Spanish Inquisition and the Nazis to Hamas and their supporters today. They always find a reason why the Jews deserve to be slaughtered. Centuries ago it was false accusation of human sacrifice. (The “Blood Libel”) In the 20th Century the Jews were crafty “Semites” corrupting pure European culture. Now the Jew-haters use the genocide and colonizer accusations. They cling to them fervently no matter how often they’re debunked.

 

[StrentWriter]

Real antisemitism? Are you staying there is such a thing as warranted antisemitism?

No, obviously not. The conflation of criticism of Israel and Zionists and their obvious genocide with that being about them being Jewish, which it isn’t, it’s about their foul and disgusting actions.

Nice try.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

No, obviously not. The conflation of criticism of Israel and Zionists and their obvious genocide with that being about them being Jewish, which it isn’t, it’s about their foul and disgusting actions.

Nice try.

“Obvious genocide”

Repeating a lie over and over again doesn’t make it true.

 

[1984X2024]

The famine claim relating to Gaza CITY is legit - but Gaza city (all of northern Gaza, actually) was / is an active war zone that Israel encouraged "Palestinian" civilians to evacuate a looooong time ago.

Hamas terrorists and sympathetic or coerced "Palestinian" civilians have defied / ignored the Israeli evacuation orders, and have contributed to the famine conditions in Gaza City / Northern Gaza.

Now to be fair, Israel HAS attacked Hamas fighters in southern Gaza, which has caused confusion & frustration among the "Palestinian" civilians, but that is ALSO the fault of Hamas for embedding with the "Palestinian" civilians and using them as human shields (See: The IDF killing of Mohammed Deif on the outskirts of Khan Younis in southern Gaza that resulted in the death of many innocent "Palestinian" civilians).

Southern Gaza is also overcrowded, so it would be no picnic for anyone in northern Gaza to evacuate to that area - but it’s better than the alternative…

The best scenario would have been the populace of Gaza (Hamas AND "Palestinian" civilians) refraining from attacking those humanitarian aid convoys, which resulted in the suspension of that effort, and the establishment of a far less efficient and far more dangerous system (The GHF), but alas…



Of course, Hanas fucking around when President Biden was trying to secure a ceasefire & hostage release / prisoner release did NOT help. And Arab / Muslim "Americans" voting for DonOld & the MAGAt republicans did NOT help either…

Now it is what it is…



We. Told. Them. So.

How can you tell a civilian from a terrorist

 

[AnomalyLady]

No, obviously not. The conflation of criticism of Israel and Zionists and their obvious genocide with that being about them being Jewish, which it isn’t, it’s about their foul and disgusting actions.

Nice try.

Read again what you said. You were talking to Rightguide, who I don’t believe is Jewish.

Real antisemitism is on the rise because of fuckers like you.

And additionally:

This isn’t true anymore of Hamas, but it definitely is of Israel.

When did Hamas release the remaining hostages that they attacked at a music festival?

 

[Lazaran]

How can you tell a civilian from a terrorist

The terrorists are the ones scaling the walls of the Capitol, attacking Capitol Police Officers, smearing feces on the Capitol walls, and getting shot in the neck by Capitol security.

They’re also the ones plotting to kidnap and murder the Governor of Michigan, etc.

The elected MAGAt republicans (and those who voted for them) aren’t technically terrorists, but they are fascist traitors.



Hope that ^ helps.





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

How can you tell a civilian from a terrorist

This is addressed in detail in Chapter 7 of the document I linked above:

"To conclude our discussion in this chapter, we highlight again the “Certainty Mirage”. As with the GMOH data, there is a prevailing tendency to assume that if only one ostensibly authoritative source of “neutral” information exists—or a limited set of sources, such as UN reports or those from human rights organizations—its credibility must be accepted by default, simply because no alternative source exists. The ideological commitment to “believing civilians” often results in virtually no fact-checking of their accounts. At the same time, the burden of proof placed on states and militaries to provide conclusive evidence for their claims is fundamentally incompatible with the need to protect intelligence sources and methods."

In short, Israel's critics naively accept Hamas' claims of who is (or is not) a fighter and subject Israel's counterclaims to withering scrutiny.

Debunking the Genocide Allegations:
A Reexamination of the Israel-Hamas War from October 7, 2023 to June 1, 2025​

 

[PersonalFavors]

Israel is doing genocide against who? Hamas? Who is Hamas? Iran is what we are led to believe and Israel is not killing anyone in Iran right now. I am sure they will if they start their shit again. Hezbollah and Yemeni's too. Defending yourself is not genocide.
If someone living in Gaza dies defending or harboring Hamas that is not either. There are many who call themselves Palestinian's who also took the first shot at Israel. They too are targets where Israel will continue to stand up for itself.
Hitler on the other hand was guilty of genocide. The Jewish people of Germany, Poland, Austria.... were not bringing war of any kind against Germany. German's attempting to wipe out a race. That was genocide. There are a few tribal leaders in Africa guilty too.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

6 killed in terrorist attack in Jerusalem including the two assailants.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

6 killed in terrorist attack in Jerusalem including the two assailants.

 

[PersonalFavors]

Muthanna Omar, 20, and Muhammad Taha, 21, who are both from villages in the occupied West Bank.

Aside from muslim these attackers are what?

Why is the media hiding their motive in the attack?

Israel is already defending itself. Do they want them to declare open season on these assholes?

It is fixing to happen here in the US. As the liberal judges continue to release the deranged, we are waiting to see if the deranged are prevented from attacking or the judges held responsible for releasing them back into society.

These two obviously did not respect living in a civilized society.

 

[eric_erosfan]

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I mean terror begets terror.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I mean terror begets terror.

Don't make excuses for murderers.