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[Lazaran]

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What are we even doing anymore?

It’s like receiving the Vegan Man of the Year award from “HANNIBAL LECTER!!!”



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[butters]

Israel levelling thousands of Gaza civilian buildings in controlled demolitions

Israel's been busy leveling Palestinian property in 40 locations in Gaza, including many in Rafa, sound buildings as well as the destroyed ones, removing infrastructure such as schools, municipal buildings and apartments making it impossible for Palestinians to return to any semblance of their life there. Plans are in place to build a "humanitarian city" (a prison, effectively) over Rafa's site, up against the now Israeli-controlled border crossing and in land now occupied by Israel.

Satellite images show massive amounts of destruction in several areas which Israel's military command claims to have under "operational control".

Large swathes of it have been caused by planned demolitions, both to already damaged buildings and ones that appeared largely intact.

Multiple legal experts told BBC Verify that Israel may have committed war crimes under the Geneva Convention, which largely prohibits the destruction of infrastructure by an occupying power.

In July, Israel's Defence Minister Israel Katz outlined plans to establish what he called a "humanitarian city" over the ruins of Rafah, with an initial 600,000 Palestinians being confined there.

The plan has been widely condemned. Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told the BBC that the proposal would be "interpreted as being akin to a concentration camp".

it has been announced that anyone accepting the 'offer' to move into the 'new, purpose-built "humanitarian city" would NOT be free to leave it ever again.

 

[StrentWriter]

I note with amusement, having left the forum and come back, that there’s still the usual suspects peddling the pro Israeli “it’s not a genocide” level of unintelligent bigotry and malice I’ve now come to expect from pro Israel supporters.

The rest of the world is waking up and change is coming - there will be a reckoning.

Meanwhile, 90 Palestinians killed today in a variety of ways and some killed at a Catholic Church “accidentally on purpose” yesterday by the IOF.

God you lot purporting this is defence still are sick in the head, and racist. Find your humanity please before it’s too late for everyone.

Just remember - in no story or historical event were the good guys building concentration camps.

 

[StrentWriter]

I like this one

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How is this sort of genuinely antisemitic claptrap allowed on this forum?

Plenty of “nice Jews” have been on protests against the Israeli war and propaganda machine for nearly two years, in their hundreds of thousands worldwide.

Repeat after me: it’s not about the race or the religion, it’s about the land and the result of superior race ethnostate thinking that always results in ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Looking forward to Israel getting found guilty of genocide at the ICC.

Never has so much evidence of so much wrongdoing against so many been available in so many different ways to so many people worldwide.

 

[butters]

There is no sign of a let-up in the pace of the demolitions. Israeli media reported last week that the IDF had received dozens of D9 bulldozers from the US, which had been suspended under the Biden administration.

And BBC Verify identified dozens of adverts posted to Israeli Facebook groups which were offering work in Gaza to demolition contractors. The majority of the posts have been shared by recruiters since May.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu previously told a group of MPs in a closed-door meeting widely reported in Israeli media that the IDF was "destroying more and more homes" leaving Palestinians with "nowhere to return to".

https://www.bbc.com/news/resources/idt-33fccfbe-abcc-4af1-bdd2-632b2787cf59?at_campaign_type=owned&at_medium=emails&at_objective=awareness&at_ptr_type=email&at_ptr_name=salesforce&at_campaign=newsbriefing&at_email_send_date=20250718&at_send_id=4409570&at_link_title=https://www.bbc.com/news/resources/idt-33fccfbe-abcc-4af1-bdd2-632b2787cf59&at_bbc_team=crm

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

How is this sort of genuinely antisemitic claptrap allowed on this forum?

Plenty of “nice Jews” have been on protests against the Israeli war and propaganda machine for nearly two years, in their hundreds of thousands worldwide.

Repeat after me: it’s not about the race or the religion, it’s about the land and the result of superior race ethnostate thinking that always results in ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Looking forward to Israel getting found guilty of genocide at the ICC.

Never has so much evidence of so much wrongdoing against so many been available in so many different ways to so many people worldwide.

There is no genocide in Gaza. That's a slur spread to distract from the Muslim plan to kill all the Jews. The "Palestinian" cause has always been about committing genocide.

 

[StrentWriter]

There is no genocide in Gaza. That's a slur spread to distract from the Muslim plan to kill all the Jews. The "Palestinian" cause has always been about committing genocide.

lol

Okay

Over 58,000 killed

Thousands of homes, businesses and places of worship destroyed

Nearly 20,000 children murdered

Millions without food or water

People in the knesset telling the world they will ethnically displace Palestinians

People in the IDF telling Israeli newspapers and the world they are killing Palestinians with impunity

Netanyahu literally telling the world they’re building a concentration camp

But it’s still not a genocide

You were peddling this racist, unintelligent, fucking shitty logic last year and that you’re still doing it this year with the mountains of evidence stacked against Israel just means you have one thing on your mind - you want the Israelis to kill all of the Palestinains

Remember, at Nurnberg being unintelligent or misinformed was not a defence for the holocaust

Actively participating in the genocide via genocide denial makes you complicit.

I have a clean conscience - at the end of this, when Israel has finished its genocide, we will remember people like you and we will not forgive your obvious racist, genocidal rhetoric that makes claims against a mostly defenceless population of wanting to commit genocide as a population armed to the hilt actively carried out one

Do us both a favour and put me on ignore, I’m not interested in reading your abysmal takes on one of the worst crimes against humanity we have seen in centuries

Get some therapy while you’re at it, because you ain’t right in the head if you can watch the death toll and destruction in Gaza mount up and still say this shit.

 

[butters]

There is no genocide in Gaza. That's a slur spread to distract from the Muslim plan to kill all the Jews. The "Palestinian" cause has always been about committing genocide.

so are Palestinians just very bad at it or is Israel simply far better?

/rhetorical question.

 

[Lazaran]

Israel levelling thousands of Gaza civilian buildings in controlled demolitions

Israel's been busy leveling Palestinian property in 40 locations in Gaza, including many in Rafa, sound buildings as well as the destroyed ones, removing infrastructure such as schools, municipal buildings and apartments making it impossible for Palestinians to return to any semblance of their life there. Plans are in place to build a "humanitarian city" (a prison, effectively) over Rafa's site, up against the now Israeli-controlled border crossing and in land now occupied by Israel.





it has been announced that anyone accepting the 'offer' to move into the 'new, purpose-built "humanitarian city" would NOT be free to leave it ever again.

https://www.bbc.com/news/resources/idt-33fccfbe-abcc-4af1-bdd2-632b2787cf59?at_campaign_type=owned&at_medium=emails&at_objective=awareness&at_ptr_type=email&at_ptr_name=salesforce&at_campaign=newsbriefing&at_email_send_date=20250718&at_send_id=4409570&at_link_title=https://www.bbc.com/news/resources/idt-33fccfbe-abcc-4af1-bdd2-632b2787cf59&at_bbc_team=crm

A couple things:

• As far as the demolition of old infrastructure in Gaza, and the construction of a "new safe city for Gazans" is concerned, the Israelis CAN justify their actions: Hamas is STILL in control of the "innocent Palestinian civilians in Gaza", and leaving them (Hamas) to roam free in Gaza with knowledge of the terror tunnel networks & weapons stashes would present an unacceptable continuing threat to Israel.

• As far as the resumption of U.S. shipments of bulldozers, etc, to Israel (to be used in Gaza) under the Trump administration, well, the Arab / Muslim American community VOTED FOR DONOLD, so…





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[butters]

A couple things:

• As far as the demolition of old infrastructure in Gaza, and the construction of a "new safe city for Gazans" is concerned, the Israelis CAN justify their actions: Hamas is STILL in control of the "innocent Palestinian civilians in Gaza", and leaving them (Hamas) to roam free in Gaza with knowledge of the terror tunnel networks & weapons stashes would present an unacceptable continuing threat to Israel.

• As far as the resumption of U.S. shipments of bulldozers, etc, to Israel (to be used in Gaza) under the Trump administration, well, the Arab / Muslim American community VOTED FOR DONOLD, so…





We. Told. Them. So.

though it would seem world experts in these matters entirely disagree with that statement and accuse Israel of potentially committing war crimes since the occupying forces are supposed to help make life safe for the populations there, not bomb the shit out of everything and then continue to eradicate the remaining, viable infrastructure making it impossible for the displaced people to return/continue to live there.

40 sites

 

[StrentWriter]

A couple things:

• As far as the demolition of old infrastructure in Gaza, and the construction of a "new safe city for Gazans" is concerned, the Israelis CAN justify their actions: Hamas is STILL in control of the "innocent Palestinian civilians in Gaza", and leaving them (Hamas) to roam free in Gaza with knowledge of the terror tunnel networks & weapons stashes would present an unacceptable continuing threat to Israel.

• As far as the resumption of U.S. shipments of bulldozers, etc, to Israel (to be used in Gaza) under the Trump administration, well, the Arab / Muslim American community VOTED FOR DONOLD, so…





We. Told. Them. So.

This is just Israeli hasbara.

They destroyed 12,800 houses in a month and a half.

Since when has fighting terrorists given a country the right to destroy all infrastructure?

Answer: never, and definitely not since the signing of the Geneva conventions.

Which we should note, Israel breaks daily up to a hundred times a day.

Like the level of war crimes and depravity and destruction and malice are not the actions of a well people or country who should have nuclear weapons

Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese today, who will it be next?

Just saying - no other country in the world is bombing its neighbours thousands of times over and faster than it is receiving in return

I can’t wait for the ICC judgement - the only thing that angers me is that Israel delayed it a year which will likely enable it to ethnically cleanse Gaza and the West Bank.

You know what the answers are - write to your members of parliament or your representatives and vote to sanction Israel and enforce BDS until they stop the killing

End the genocide, end the impunity, save lives (Palestinian and Israeli)

Like we’re watching generations of young people destroyed physically and mentally - and for what? For Netanyahu and his far right coalition and the far right evangelical nut jobs in the USA funding and abetting this disgrace

 

[StrentWriter]

so are Palestinians just very bad at it or is Israel simply far better?

/rhetorical question.

Neither, it is a lie to say Palestinians want an Israeli genocide.

Palestinians want their freedom, they are under occupation and have been since 1948

They want an end to an apartheid regime that kills their children, destroys their homes, livelihoods, and history of their land

They want their UN enshrined right to self determination

Some extreme aspects of Palestinian resistance has said genocidal things in the last, they are mostly sidelined or not in positions of power

Israelis on the other hand

Have the technology
Have the money
Have the backing of major western govts including USA
Enjoy preferential treatment across the globe by way of AIPAC level lobbying and spending
And have been saying the quiet part out loud for over 18 months

If you’re more angry about a hypothetical and Impossible Palestinian led genocide against Israelis but are not angry against an ongoing ethnic cleansing likely to end in genocide Israeli led effort against Palestinians, you might be the problem

 

[Lazaran]

though it would seem world experts in these matters entirely disagree with that statement and accuse Israel of potentially committing war crimes since the occupying forces are supposed to help make life safe for the populations there, not bomb the shit out of everything and then continue to eradicate the remaining, viable infrastructure making it impossible for the displaced people to return/continue to live there.

40 sites

The "experts" are often paid or have their own personal agenda - especially when it comes to the Israeli -"Palestinian" situation.

And the "experts" also do NOT have the same level of concern for the future safety of the Israeli citizens as the Israeli government does - especially after 10/7.



Bottom line:

Hamas, etc, made / continue to make choices. Choices have consequences. Elections have consequences.

Now it is what it is.



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[butters]

*sighs*

 

[StrentWriter]

The "experts" are often paid or have their own personal agenda - especially when it comes to the Israeli -"Palestinian" situation.

And the "experts" also do NOT have the same level of concern for the future safety of the Israeli citizens as the Israeli government does - especially after 10/7.



Bottom line:

Hamas, etc, made / continue to make choices. Choices have consequences. Elections have consequences.

Now it is what it is.



We. Told. Them. So.

Nah you’re still peddling Israeli hasbara

If it quacks like a duck, blows up people with pagers like a duck, destroys homes with bulldozers like a duck, withholds fucking baby formula like a duck, well you might just well be a genocidal duck

 

[dmallord]

I note with amusement, having left the forum and come back, that there’s still the usual suspects peddling the pro Israeli “it’s not a genocide” level of unintelligent bigotry and malice I’ve now come to expect from pro Israel supporters.

The rest of the world is waking up and change is coming - there will be a reckoning.

Meanwhile, 90 Palestinians killed today in a variety of ways and some killed at a Catholic Church “accidentally on purpose” yesterday by the IOF.

God you lot purporting this is defence still are sick in the head, and racist. Find your humanity please before it’s too late for everyone.

Just remember - in no story or historical event were the good guys building concentration camps.

Would that include Alligator Alcatraz? I thought 'the good guys' built that one?

 

[butters]

Would that include Alligator Alcatraz? I thought 'the good guys' built that one?

i see that tongue in your cheek, dmallord

 

[Lazaran]

Israeli hasbara

Is that ^ anything like "Palestinian" shite???





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

so are Palestinians just very bad at it or is Israel simply far better?

/rhetorical question.

Israel knows it faces an existential threat from hostile neighbors. That's why service in the IDF is mandatory for young Israelis. That's why every Israeli house has mandatory safe rooms and bomb shelters. That's why Iron Dome was built. Israel knows that if they don't constantly stay on guard, they will be annihilated. We saw what happened on October 7th when Israel briefly let it's guard down--mass rape and slaughter. That's the Palestinian plan if Israel doesn't defend itself.

Israel is certainly strong enough to slaughter all the Gazans if they wanted too. They don't because Jews know genocide is wrong.

 

[StrentWriter]

Is that ^ anything like "Palestinian" shite???





We. Told. Them. So.

Look with respect, you can get in the bin too.

There’s no “both siding” a genocide.

Actively trying to claim Palestinian resistance is as bad as Israeli aggression when the latter is thousands of times worse, and with ample evidence to show as the frankly outright evil stuff happening (classing baby formula as dual use and then banning it from entering Gaza is evil - no arguments) - nah, away with you and your Israeli hasbara.

We’re not buying it anymore.

 

[StrentWriter]

Would that include Alligator Alcatraz? I thought 'the good guys' built that one?

Oh that definitely counts as a concentration camp. Like straight up, how are the Americans not seeing the bloody obvious?

 

[butters]

some 600 Jewish leaders speak out against religious violence against civilians by "confused young people searching for the truth."
Personally, I think that is a very charitable description of settlers who have already been attacking Palestinians, attacking again, but appreciate they bothered and called out the 'silence' of religious leaders as seemingly 'complicit' when seen through the eyes of the settlers.

The letter, organized by the U.S. branch of Smol Emuni (Religious Left) – an organization of observant Jews focused on ending the occupation and promoting human rights and equality – comes amid a sharp rise in settler violence across the West Bank since the outbreak of war in Gaza.

The signatories describe what they call a pattern of violent attacks on Palestinian civilians, including arson and the forced displacement of families from their homes.

"These actions are contrary to the morality of the Torah," the letter reads.

The letter refers to the perpetrators who "believe they are fulfilling God's commandment to conquer the land" and rejects the use of religious justification for violence against civilians.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Look with respect, you can get in the bin too.

There’s no “both siding” a genocide.

Actively trying to claim Palestinian resistance is as bad as Israeli aggression when the latter is thousands of times worse, and with ample evidence to show as the frankly outright evil stuff happening (classing baby formula as dual use and then banning it from entering Gaza is evil - no arguments) - nah, away with you and your Israeli hasbara.

We’re not buying it anymore.

Why did you create a new account? Was your old account banned?

 

[butters]

A growing number of Jewish staff and faculty in higher education are speaking out against what they say is the federal government and their own institutions weaponizing accusations of antisemitism in order to silence dissent, punish those who criticize the Israeli government and exert more control over the U.S. education system.

On Wednesday, at least 40 such staff at the University of Virginia signed on to a statement in The Cavalier Daily, the school’s student paper, warning against the “exploitation of the term antisemitism deployed in an effort to harass, expel, arrest, deport dox and defame students, faculty, staff and other academic workers across the country.”

“Politically disfavored speech is disingenuously being labeled ‘antisemitism.’ This misrepresentation makes Jews the face of political repression and the face of the suppression of speech – this itself is a form of scapegoating. This makes Jews less safe,” the letter read.

^^yup

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...&cvid=148f29bb108241c78cd8978db54c2bd9&ei=247

 

[StrentWriter]

Butters, you’re doing commendable work answering all of the crazies.

But the crazies don’t care, they will just regurgitate their version of the “truth” regardless of what evidence is in front of them.

They want the Palestinians gone or killed and will do whatever they can to justify it to themselves and others.

We are in Zionism’s endgame now. It either works through genocide or ends through realisation of the horrors it has wrought, and stops the killing now.