Clinton karma kicks Hillary's ass

[ifrtbttrflys]

There is no one more responsible for American manufacturing/jobs being outsourced to China than Bill Clinton. The great loss of those businesses and jobs have devastated America's middle class - many of them unionized, a whole hell of a lot of them traditional Democrat voters in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. They're now Trump's to lose.

Oops.

Thanks, Obubba.

 

[phrodeau]

I'm looking forward to Trump draining the swamp in Washington DC, and making all those political lifers get jobs in the newly-reopened West Virginia coal mines.

 

[renard_ruse]

There is no one more responsible for American manufacturing/jobs being outsourced to China than Bill Clinton. The great loss of those businesses and jobs have devastated America's middle class - many of them unionized, a whole hell of a lot of them traditional Democrat voters in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. They're now Trump's to lose...

Traditional Democrat voters elsewhere too. I voted for Dukakis in my first election. Turned 18 that summer. I was always conservative on cultural and social issues but I was still on the fence on economic issues (I was a Stalinist in middle school, then waived between anarcho-syndicalism, Satanic fundamentalism and Reaganism in high school). I liked Reagan but hated his "free" trade. I voted Dukakis mainly because of "free" trade. We used to even have factories in Southern California believe it or not.

By 92 I was a volunteer for the Buchanan campaign and then voted Perot in the general.

 

[water505]

I'm looking forward to Trump draining the swamp in Washington DC,

That already started on Election Day.

 

[Conager]

Double post

 

[Conager]

There is no one more responsible for American manufacturing/jobs being outsourced to China than Bill Clinton. The great loss of those businesses and jobs have devastated America's middle class - many of them unionized, a whole hell of a lot of them traditional Democrat voters in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. They're now Trump's to lose.

Oops.

Thanks, Obubba.

That's an interesting take on unintended consequenses. Back then, I would have favored most free-trade movements. My idea that time would have been trade barriers are bad and removing them is generally desireable. I didn't understand how much back and forth not at all equal concessions and barriers are constantly under negotiation.

I now veiw the mislabled free-trade movement like the unilateral nuclear disarmament movement. Naive.

 

[KingOrfeo]

There is no one more responsible for American manufacturing/jobs being outsourced to China than Bill Clinton.

Why was it, again, that W and the Pubs did not reverse all of that when they came to power?

 

[KingOrfeo]

That already started on Election Day.

But, he's draining the swamp directly into the West Wing. I don't think that's what the voters had in mind.

 

[ifrtbttrflys]

Ideologically, "free-trade" only naturally exists at the individual level, according to each individuals' reverence for every other individual's natural liberty, first. It is impossible for "free-trade" to naturally occur between individuals who do not revere individual liberty - for others and themselves - first.

Once two individual liberty reverers begin doing business together freely, then its natural expansion - which will always follow - must be fully founded on the equal natural law of subsidiarity.

To the degree(s) reverence for individual liberty wanes between people doing business with each other, crony capitalism naturally increases to fill that repugnant void. To the degree(s) the natural law of subsidiarity is shunned, Leviathanian tyranny just as naturally increases to repulsively fill that void.

Neither "free-trade" or a free market can possibly exist when omnipotent government rules every facet of economics overall, instead of reverently obeying its constituted role as omnipotently objective guarantor of individual liberty first, and omnipotently objective arbitrator of the resulting "free-trade", second.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Ideologically, "free-trade" only naturally exists at the individual level, according to each individuals' reverence for every other individual's natural liberty, first. It is impossible for "free-trade" to naturally occur between individuals who do not revere individual liberty - for others and themselves - first.

Throughout human history, most trade free and otherwise has been done by people with no particular reverence for individual liberty. They revered it if their culture revered it, otherwise not.

Once two individual liberty reverers begin doing business together freely, then its natural expansion - which will always follow - must be fully founded on the equal natural law of subsidiarity.

Meaning?

To the degree(s) reverence for individual liberty wanes between people doing business with each other, crony capitalism naturally increases to fill that repugnant void.

. . . Errrrmmm, no, I don't think that's how crony capitalism happens.

 

[Hypoxia]

I'm looking forward to Trump draining the swamp in Washington DC, and making all those political lifers get jobs in the newly-reopened West Virginia coal mines.

Surrogate spokesperson Gingrich says that "Drain the swamp" was a cute phrase but Tromp, who has surrounded hisself with Goldman, Sachs guys, no longer utters it. It was all a joke folks, ha ha, just kidding, [/raspberry] Gzzz, how many campaign pledges (Build a wall! Jail Hillary! Drain the swamp!) has Tromp already walked-back on? Welcome to the monster you elected, folks. Grab your genitals before he does.