Climate continues to change.

[CandiCame]

When he started deflecting it was from the basis of discussing what it costs to generate solar power. Not what it counts to store it. He did not include the cost of storage in his assertion that solar is as cheap as he claims that it is.

I have no idea what the number of cycles that you will have in your battery I assume that you've got some sort of power management system which maximizes the durability of those batteries by likely not quite charging them all the way or discharging them all the way.

Regardless, at some point they will have to be replaced. In the end you'll have to calculate what it actually cost you per kilowatt hours stored based on the replacement cost of the batteries versus how much energy did you get back out of those batteries. I have no idea what that number is neither does dribble and he didn't include that in his cost of how cheap solar is.

He's talkin about powering Society with the cost that major utilities incur with large solar plants per kilowatt-hour for those powers that they are able to generate. He ignored what it cost to generate electricity when they're down or the store that energy. No one disputes that once you have a solar panel and it's up and running electricity is free.

It's still cheaper by a lot. Even on the grid why wouldn't individual houses just get deep cycle batteries. They could use the exact same business model as internet companies do with routers and it'd be cheap as fuck, they can be made entirely with recycled materials, and they're like... it's not like a car battery. You can charge them to full capacity and be good to go because they're constantly being discharged. That way even with a plant you'd still be getting it a lot cheaper than you are now.

You only have to replace the deep cells once every 10-20 years. I've not had any problems and I don't know anyone who has.

People who pay for shit they can get for free are suckers. Also, I live in the middle of fucking nowhere, so if the wind blows the power goes out. Like this is such an inarguable good idea that staunch conservative rednecks do it. I'm like... the only liberal in the local prepper community. It just doesn't make sense to trust the power company and also pay for this shit every month at exorbitant prices. If I had to pay for water I probably wouldn't have it.

Hell, Germans use almost no power anyway, they use like 1/4 the power an average American does because their houses are tiny and almost none of them have high-energy appliances like deep freezes and dryers. That's a big part of why it's easy for Europeans to go green. They don't use a lot of electricity anyway. If we'd live like Europeans we'd all save ourselves some money.

 

[CandiCame]

You can thank Peanut Boy for that.

The reason spent nuclear fuel is stored and not reprocessed into new fuel or useful products is a matter of LAW, not a matter of necessity.

Yeah, you can literally compress that into magic crystals like a goddamn wizard and I am living for it.

I'm not stupid, scientists, that's a goddamn Chaos Emerald is what that is.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Yeah, you can literally compress that into magic crystals like a goddamn wizard and I am living for it.

I'm not stupid, scientists, that's a goddamn Chaos Emerald is what that is.

I'm not entirely sure what that means, and I'm not upset about it.

Spent fuel can be reprocessed into fuel again. It can used to build medical devices. It can be managed in all sorts of ways, yuge ways we can't even explore because religious zealots from the 70's were afraid of Hal's green glow.

If we had done the right thing back then, we'd be using a tiny fraction of the fossil fuels we do now and (if Phro and the other nuts are right) we'd be freezing instead of toasting marshmallows on the patio.

 

[CandiCame]

I'm not entirely sure what that means, and I'm not upset about it.

Spent fuel can be reprocessed into fuel again. It can used to build medical devices. It can be managed in all sorts of ways, yuge ways we can't even explore because religious zealots from the 70's were afraid of Hal's green glow.

If we had done the right thing back then, we'd be using a tiny fraction of the fossil fuels we do now and (if Phro and the other nuts are right) we'd be freezing instead of toasting marshmallows on the patio.

I mean, I subscribe to a lot of green and redneck jackassery, and the consensus among scientist of why some folks in the US don't know nuclear energy is green energy is literally the Simpsons. People watch the Simpsons and see Mr Burns be evil and see them bitching about how the radiation gives fish three eyes and shit and that's their ONLY exposure to nuclear power so they don't understand things like, "No we literally have this shit laying around from the military, it's recycled, we're not saying mine new uranium" and "Seriously, we put it in big vats of graphite to absorb the radiation which we can then turn into magic crystals, the radiation just generates steam and the steam turns turbines, it's just steampunk, you will never be anywhere near radiation unless there's a massive, massive problem, and that's so rare you might as well play the lottery or hope to get struck by lightning. We'd have to have an earthquake and tsunami at the same time like they did in Japan."

Like the reason people don't know that is because they watch the Simpsons and they see Homer fucking around with uranium rods and shit and so they think that's how it is.

The Simpsons fucked up the American perception of nuclear power.

 

[Conager]

It's still cheaper by a lot. Even on the grid why wouldn't individual houses just get deep cycle batteries. They could use the exact same business model as internet companies do with routers and it'd be cheap as fuck, they can be made entirely with recycled materials, and they're like... it's not like a car battery. You can charge them to full capacity and be good to go because they're constantly being discharged. That way even with a plant you'd still be getting it a lot cheaper than you are now.

You only have to replace the deep cells once every 10-20 years. I've not had any problems and I don't know anyone who has.

People who pay for shit they can get for free are suckers. Also, I live in the middle of fucking nowhere, so if the wind blows the power goes out. Like this is such an inarguable good idea that staunch conservative rednecks do it. I'm like... the only liberal in the local prepper community. It just doesn't make sense to trust the power company and also pay for this shit every month at exorbitant prices. If I had to pay for water I probably wouldn't have it.

Hell, Germans use almost no power anyway, they use like 1/4 the power an average American does because their houses are tiny and almost none of them have high-energy appliances like deep freezes and dryers. That's a big part of why it's easy for Europeans to go green. They don't use a lot of electricity anyway. If we'd live like Europeans we'd all save ourselves some money.

I don't know the expected life but it cannot be 10-20 years. My Prius battery pack stores enough energy to power a 2,900 lbs car for about 3 miles. It lasts about 3yrs/300000 miles and costs $2,500 for a new one. A refurbished one does not have as much capacity for storage and does not generate as much power but cost about $800..

 

[CandiCame]

I don't know the expected life but it cannot be 10-20 years. My Prius battery pack stores enough energy to power a 2,900 lbs car for about 3 miles. It lasts about 3yrs/300000 miles and costs $2,500 for a new one. A refurbished one does not have as much capacity for storage and does not generate as much power but cost about $800..

Yeah it's not a car battery. They don't do the same thing. The secret is they're not meant to hold a charge. They're constantly discharging. There's talk in the "The government is run by lizard people and we need to be ready" crowd of a 40-year deepcell battery, but I never actually looked it up. I just googled it and they do have a website.

The place I bought from guarantees 10, and I've got a 20 year waranty so I hope to god they don't actually last 20 years. I hope they last 19 and then break and then I get a brand new one for free and it lasts 19 and so on until I die.

https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2015/08/what-is-the-best-type-of-battery-for-solar-storage/

Cycling: NiCd batteries are rugged batteries with a high cycle life. Some companies promise a service life of up to 20 years.

 

[Conager]

Gen II are NiMH, the later ones are Lithium. They charge and discharge constantly. So does your system. If your battery is really aren't designed to store electricity, then how do you turn your lights on at night?

Remember when complex fluorescent lights came out? They were supposed to last 10 years. I never had one last more than 6 months.

My HID lights are supposed to last much longer than incandescents. They don't.

Assuming that you're company that's warranting those batteries is still around in 10 years my money is on you getting them replaced under warranty. Are they replaced outright, or are they replaced on a prorated basis? My dad always called those warrantied batteries for the diesel Mercedes rent a batteries because what you did was you paid your fee for the year because that's all a three-year battery lasted was one year.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Like the reason people don't know that is because they watch the Simpsons and they see Homer fucking around with uranium rods and shit and so they think that's how it is.

The Simpsons fucked up the American perception of nuclear power.

I'm not discounting the Simpson effect but the nuclear insanity goes back LONG before that show came out.

Google the anti-nuclear movements of the 70s and 80s. Drink heavily first.

 

[CandiCame]

Gen II are NiMH, the later ones are Lithium. They charge and discharge constantly. So does your system. If your battery is really aren't designed to store electricity, then how do you turn your lights on at night?

Remember when complex fluorescent lights came out? They were supposed to last 10 years. I never had one last more than 6 months.

My HID lights are supposed to last much longer than incandescents. They don't.

Assuming that you're company that's warranting those batteries is still around in 10 years my money is on you getting them replaced under warranty. Are they replaced outright, or are they replaced on a prorated basis? My dad always called those warrantied batteries for the diesel Mercedes rent a batteries because what you did was you paid your fee for the year because that's all a three-year battery lasted was one year.

Idk what the fuck you're doing wrong because the lights I put in when I built my house like... I think 7 or 8 years ago are the lights I still have, except for 1, and I think I broke it because...

Ok so what had happened was-

I have a bug phobia. And this wasper flew in the house and somehow got in my bedroom and I was running around shrieking, as I am want to do, and I noticed it went up inside the lamp. This lamp had 5 lights on it on bendy things, and the lampshades were opaque. So the wasper flew into one of them, and I ran into the kitchen, got some tin foil and wrapped it around the lampshade, and then just left it like that for like... idk man, like 2 or 3 years, because I was fucking terrified to take it off.

Then one day I came home and the lamp was gone. And I was like, "Wtf?"

And my gf was like, "Yeah, I caught you gone and took that tin foil off and the bulb had fucking SHATTERED INTO DUST and there was lightbulb dust all over the floor and what the actual fuck is wrong with you?"

And I was like, "...there was a bug."

She threw the whole damn lamp out. Because she got so pissed off that she took the tin foil off and got a face full of glass dust. Which is valid. She was absolutely right to do that and I support her 100%. I mean, she wasn't right to take it off. It was contained. But after that had been done she reacted correctly by going into a rage and throwing the whole lamp off the porch.

One of them in our bathroom doesn't work, but that's not the bulb's fault, I fucked up the wiring somehow so if you tap it real hard it'll work for a second, but you have to hold it exactly right and nobody wants to do that. It does totally work, though. Idk why I'm getting bitched at you just have to hold it weird. Like is it gonna kill you to hold it weird? Also there are two other bulbs in that bathroom like there is a sufficient amount of light even if you don't want to hold that one.

The reason they still work at night is because it takes them a long-ass time to discharge. So during the day they're getting power faster than they're discharging it, then at night they're just still discharging so like... there's plenty in there. It's fine. You get a lot of power off the setup we got. You just have to get the right one for your house. There are calculators that tell you how to do it and my ass loves to do mindless math for no reason anyway, so we're golden.

It's a full warranty (as in you get a new replacement) and I've already had them like 6 years and they seem fine. I have a tester thing that I use if I have to and it's like... like I said, I'm not an electrician but they seem fine.

The only issue is that if they do last out the warranty you're not legally allowed to throw them away because they get toxic and I'm pretty sure my current waste disposal plan of "put it in the yard and set it ablaze" that I use for most things is not gonna cut it, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

 

[CandiCame]

I'm not discounting the Simpson effect but the nuclear insanity goes back LONG before that show came out.

Google the anti-nuclear movements of the 70s and 80s. Drink heavily first.

No, I mean, it probably did, I get that science was scary in the olden days, but those people aren't the core consumer base anymore so it wouldn't really matter if they're scared of them. That panic is probably what the Simpsons is based on, but for the demographic that actually shops around for electric company, the 'core consumer' base of 18-24 that aren't married to their current utility company from years of service and shit? The people that actually matter in terms of cities deciding infrastructure under capitalism to give land to new companies?

The Simpsons did it.

 

[gunthernehmen]

No, I mean, it probably did, I get that science was scary in the olden days, but those people aren't the core consumer base anymore so it wouldn't really matter if they're scared of them. That panic is probably what the Simpsons is based on, but for the demographic that actually shops around for electric company, the 'core consumer' base of 18-24 that aren't married to their current utility company from years of service and shit? The people that actually matter in terms of cities deciding infrastructure under capitalism to give land to new companies?

The Simpsons did it.

Those olden days created the laws that control how we design, build, use and clean up after nuclear plants.

Probably Homer has some impact on how people today react in horror and a certain amount of screaming and self flagellation when you say "we need nuclear power".

Anyway, it doesn't really matter WHY we don't have progress in that area. We don't and that's a shame.

 

[CandiCame]

Those olden days created the laws that control how we design, build, use and clean up after nuclear plants.

Probably Homer has some impact on how people today react in horror and a certain amount of screaming and self flagellation when you say "we need nuclear power".

Anyway, it doesn't really matter WHY we don't have progress in that area. We don't and that's a shame.

What we need is a good PR movement. Those laws can be overturned, the real issue is public opinion, because most of those are actually, like I said before, more to do with city planning and whatnot. It's not that we can't have uranium, it's that people used to put it in toothpaste and shit so they wrote those laws saying, "It has to be this far from people" and whatnot. Like they have it stockpiled in military bases so the real issue is getting the ordinances overturned and getting the plants built. That's why I say that the people who need convincing are Gen X and Millenials. We're the ones who are most active in local government (though I admit the boomers got our asses beat in turnout for state and federal). So that's the base you have to target to get those changed.

That's why I think it does matter. Because once you know the why you can change it.

And the meltdown in Japan didn't do the court of public opinion no favors, let's be real. But that whole chain of islands is on a fault line, and that's just not the case in the states. We could build plants fairly safely. It'd be a lot safer than fucking coal.

I gotta go get coal for my grandparents and you don't know how bad I don't want to. I wish to god they'd use the fucking heat pump I got them... I have a personal vendetta against coal because I'VE HAD TO PACK THAT SHIT IN IN 5 GALLON BUCKETS MY WHOLE LIFE. My back hurts and I don't wanna.

I don't want to do anything. I don't even want to go in and make breakfast. I want to just opt out of today.

 

[CandiCame]

Also, just to clarify, because I foresee somebody calling me on this- when I say the deep cycle batteries are hard to dispose of because they 'turn toxic' what happens is the inside is full of battery acid, so you can't just throw them away you have to take them to an actual battery recycling center, and the closest one to me is a 2 hour drive and I don't wanna. I cannot overstate how much I hate doing literally anything. I wanna just lay in bed and play Zelda like I got used to when I was down with that surgery. Have people bring me pizza and shit. I want to just live like that.

 

[CandiCame]

I don't know the expected life but it cannot be 10-20 years. My Prius battery pack stores enough energy to power a 2,900 lbs car for about 3 miles. It lasts about 3yrs/300000 miles and costs $2,500 for a new one. A refurbished one does not have as much capacity for storage and does not generate as much power but cost about $800..

Oh, this reminds me, you remember how before, like several months ago, I was talking about how I was looking around for a new shitty car to replace my current shitty car because mine was too low to the ground and didn't have off-road capabilities so I couldn't get it to my house? I come a hair of getting a hybrid electric because I'd always wanted one, but when I went to look at it, the battery was fucked. I knew I'd have to replace it within a year so I looked it up and the replacement would be FOUR THOUSAND AMERICAN DOLLARS. For a $5K car? Have they lost their goddamn minds?

I don't remember the make and model I just remember how hard I noped the fuck out.

I got him a 99 four cylinder Ford truck. He loves the shit out of it. Bitches me out because I never remember to lock it, but I'm used to having vehicles that autolock.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Well, it sure is changing...


Today it's supposed to get all day after tomorrow on us...

 

[Dribble]

Why would any administration decide not to use peer reviewed scientific research as evidence when writing public health standards? So....brilliant geniuses...what should they use now? Opinions from right wing blogs that cant get published? I know I know...we dont need to worry about public health at all. Not the government business...did I get it right? Morons

 

[gunthernehmen]

Why would any administration decide not to use peer reviewed scientific research as evidence when writing public health standards? So....brilliant geniuses...what should they use now? Opinions from right wing blogs that cant get published? I know I know...we dont need to worry about public health at all. Not the government business...did I get it right? Morons

Why? Because it is blatantly obvious that regardless of the concept of climate change on it's own merits, the pushers behind everything related to it are self serving scam artists.

All Trump can do is all anyone ELSE can do. Encourage the use of conservative and efficient technologies in living our lives. Which he does and many "people" do as well.

 

[trysail]

The climate dictators are loose.




This is the kind of stupidity/insanity that results when pseudoscience and propaganda prevails:




No more fire in the kitchen: Cities are banning natural gas in homes to save the planet
by Elizabeth Weise
USA TODAY

SAN FRANCISCO – Fix global warming or cook dinner on a gas stove?

That’s the choice for people in 13 cities and one county in California that have enacted new zoning codes encouraging or requiring all-electric new construction.

The codes, most of them passed since June, are meant to keep builders from running natural gas lines to new homes and apartments, with an eye toward creating fewer legacy gas hookups as the nation shifts to carbon-neutral energy sources.

For proponents, it’s a change that must be made to fight climate change... And for some cooks who love to prepare food with flame, it’s an unthinkable loss...


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-cities-banning-natural-gas-homes/4008346002/


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UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE !

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[von_Bismarck]

Why nuclear energy cannot scale to meet global needs alone

 

[CandiCame]

Why nuclear energy cannot scale to meet global needs alone

I don't think he was arguing that it should be used alone. I know I wasn't. I was saying that if we're asking how to supplement solar and we don't want to lease everybody batteries, we should use nuclear for the days when entire plants are too lazy to go knock the snow off the panels.

We can power the globe using 1% of the Sahara, and it scales just fine: https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/09/22/we-could-power-the-entire-world-by-harnessing-solar-energy-from-1-of-the-sahara/#5137cb27d440

https://www.sciencealert.com/is-turning-the-sahara-desert-into-a-giant-solar-farm-a-good-idea

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Solar-Energy/How-The-Sahara-Desert-Can-Power-The-Entire-World.html

https://www.freeingenergy.com/how-much-solar-would-it-take-to-power-the-u-s/

I don't think anyone is saying that nuclear by itself would be a perfect solution for a myriad of reasons- one of the most notable arguments that I've heard is that the US amassed huge stores of Uranium in the 50s, but by "huge" what we mean is, "enough to power the US". If we tried to scale that globally, we'd have to mine. And mines... aren't exactly know for their high ethical standards. So the argument of, "If this scaled globally the US would sell our stockpiles because most of it is owned by the government rather than private citizens and then we'd have to open mining operations and probably break the Antarctica treaty because that's where the biggest veins of radioactive Uranium are, which is currently guarded by a 12-nation army and might cause WW3" is like... not something that can't happen.

We can't ethically mine for coal in Appalachia where the seasons are pretty temperate. I'd hate to think what the conditions would be like in a fucking Antarctic warzone. They sure as hell wouldn't be sustainable or ethical. I don't think the guy doing the math for the "world's current uranium supply" was counting Antarctica, because the Antarctica treaty exists and that means that it's literally illegal in pretty much any nation on the planet to know what the world's current uranium supply is. But uh... the US ain't exactly known for keeping treaties when we see resources we want. So we'd find out pretty quick if this actually became a thing.

But as far as his land and heat emissions calculations- no, you can't do that shit in Europe. I mean, maybe Russia, but the rest of Europe doesn't have room for that shit. But we totally do here in the states. This is something that can scale nationally, not globally. I, personally, was never arguing for global adoption. Just here at home. And like I was saying with how your average German uses about a quarter of the lifetime electricity the average American uses because they just don't use the high-energy appliances we do like deep freezes and dryers? That scales to the whole world: https://public.wsu.edu/~mreed/380American**0Consumption.htm

So us cutting back on our power consumption would do a whole lot. Just adopting these greener energies at a national level would help a fuckton.

We're 5% of the planet using 24% of the planet's power. Cutting emissions by a quarter sure as hell wouldn't hurt a thing.

I mean, I don't consider myself part of the problem (As much) because my house runs on solar, but let's not pretend like my dumb American ass don't have a deep freeze on the porch currently buried under 3in of snow. That's a super efficient use of electricity.

Again, I once left a light burning for like 3 years to kill one singular bug because I was too scared of it to remove the tin foil until the bulb literally exploded into shards.

'Merica.

 

[CandiCame]

The climate dictators are loose.




This is the kind of stupidity/insanity that results when pseudoscience and propaganda prevails:




No more fire in the kitchen: Cities are banning natural gas in homes to save the planet
by Elizabeth Weise
USA TODAY

SAN FRANCISCO – Fix global warming or cook dinner on a gas stove?

That’s the choice for people in 13 cities and one county in California that have enacted new zoning codes encouraging or requiring all-electric new construction.

The codes, most of them passed since June, are meant to keep builders from running natural gas lines to new homes and apartments, with an eye toward creating fewer legacy gas hookups as the nation shifts to carbon-neutral energy sources.

For proponents, it’s a change that must be made to fight climate change... And for some cooks who love to prepare food with flame, it’s an unthinkable loss...


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-cities-banning-natural-gas-homes/4008346002/


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UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE !

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California's on a fault line, my man. What happens to a natural gas pipe when you shake the shit out of it with the resulting friction?

Because that's why those ordinances are actually being passed. The constant earthquakes are causing explosions that are bringing down the house. Those ordinances have been an on and off talk since 2010 when a pipeline exploded and brought down pretty much all of San Bruno, causing a literal wall of fire that shot up 1000 feet.

It's common sense you don't use natural gas in an earthquake zone. It's kind of ridiculous to bring up how this is gonna affect climate change in the same way some people are advocating to stop making inhalers because of the fucking plastic. Cali gets a lot of sun. There are solutions to this that don't require you to blow yourself up.

 

[Dribble]

Why? Because it is blatantly obvious that regardless of the concept of climate change on it's own merits, the pushers behind everything related to it are self serving scam artists.

All Trump can do is all anyone ELSE can do. Encourage the use of conservative and efficient technologies in living our lives. Which he does and many "people" do as well.

Do you even have a fucking clue what a public health standard is? Can you provide an example of one without googling? Never mind...I know you cant.

 

[needit700]

Well all you do gooders and crying snow flakes

can bitch like your little sister about climate, but it's colder than a well digger's ass in MT in the winther. So shut the fuck up!

 

[domroger]

can bitch like your little sister about climate, but it's colder than a well digger's ass in MT in the winther. So shut the fuck up!

You can always move .

 

[gunthernehmen]

Do you even have a fucking clue what a public health standard is? Can you provide an example of one without googling? Never mind...I know you cant.

Testy, testy

None of you climate scammists have ever raised the slightest provable fact. It's all superstition and self serving bs.