It seems they are more urgently needed now than at any time since 1933.
Classical liberalism
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SebastianHolt
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what for? how are they needed?
INCOME. Real inflation-adjusted wages of American workers have been STAGNANT since 1989 -- the economy has GROWN a lot since then, but only the plutocrats get the benefit.
And the right of a mother / parents NOT to bring a life into the world, and the right of an individual to end their life on their terms.
But NOT freedom from consequences of their speech.
and freedom FROM religion
Sounds nice in theory.
And the lengths that government should go to “to protect those rights and liberties” should be based on the realities and requirements of the times.
“Limited” based on the realities and requirements of society at particular moments in time (it is NOT 1776 anymore).
The problem with assigning a label like “classical liberal / liberalism” is that it’s too restrictive and starts from a confined position.
“Pragmatic progressive liberal” is how I would label myself.
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and near poverty ... you are clearly living with less than $100k in income
And the right of a mother / parents NOT to bring a life into the world, and the right of an individual to end their life on their terms.
But NOT freedom from consequences of their speech.
and freedom FROM religion
Sounds nice in theory.
And the lengths that government should go to “to protect those rights and liberties” should be based on the realities and requirements of the times.
“Limited” based on the realities and requirements of society at particular moments in time (it is NOT 1776 anymore).
The problem with assigning a label like “classical liberal / liberalism” is that it’s too restrictive and starts from a confined position.
“Pragmatic progressive liberal” is how I would label myself.
We. Told. Them. So.
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Working class people. Labor unions have raised their incomes.
I retired over a decade ago in my early 50s with significant liquidity and multiple income streams from retirement accounts.
I didn’t get into real estate because I’M RETIRED, and fucking around with real estate is too much like WORK. (I also saw a wealthy peer lose everything - including their family and their mind - when some real estate investments didn’t pan out).
Smell the roses, you fucking psychotic drone - or work like a good little drone until you become a desiccated husk.
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SebastianHolt
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back in the day ... way before the electric typewriter was invented
since the 1970s unions are more pain and zero value
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sure you are ... nice to see you writing fantasy fiction
I retired over a decade ago in my early 50s with significant liquidity and multiple income streams from retirement accounts.
I didn’t get into real estate because I’M RETIRED, and fucking around with real estate is too much like WORK. (I also saw a wealthy peer lose everything - including their family and their mind - when some real estate investments didn’t pan out).
Smell the roses, you fucking psychotic drone - or work like a good little drone until you become a desiccated husk.
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Since the 1970s unions are INEFFECTUAL -- and that is NOT their own fault.
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they outlived their value period
Anything invented to replace them will HAVE value if it gets wages up.
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hey, you need to take ownership of your failed life. for you are the reason why you are poor
Pure projection from SebastianDolt.
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Says the slave that is still working “like a dog” to the comfortably retired (for over a decade) master.
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SebastianHolt
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your an idiot retard. I work like a dog for myself and my family. never needed a 'job' like you do
Says the slave that is still working “like a dog” to the comfortably retired (for over a decade) master.
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The shit ignorant MAGAts (drones) need to tell themselves.
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SebastianHolt
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dude, we both know you are a liar and a simpleton
The shit ignorant MAGAts (drones) need to tell themselves.
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There will never be a human society where more than a small minority are self-employed. Most people NEED jobs.
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no, clearly I hit a nerve. dude you are very simple
MOAR projection.
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No TRUMPER has any business calling anyone EITHER of those.
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The only example you find of 'liberalism' today is among the idiot sheep who vote for Democrats. Their ruling class is hard left now - 'liberals' need not apply.
Throw that term on the ash heap of history.
Throw that term on the ash heap of history.
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I'm not at all surprised that people who identify as "progressives" would be skeptical of certain aspects of classical liberalism, or would distance themselves from some of its principles. What's interesting to me, though, is the apparent decline in "liberal" self-identification on the right. It wasn't that long ago -- 12 years, say -- when someone like Paul Ryan, the former Speaker of the House and one time VP candidate for the Republicans, would have been considered a typical "Ronald Reagan-style" Republican. Ryan identified as a conservative but spoke often in classical liberal terms. Now, he's considered a RINO, and that sort of rhetoric has been replaced by Trump-style nationalism and populism. There's relatively little classical liberal thought in this forum that I can see. Instead, lots of MAGA folks and anti-MAGA folks slinging the insults back and forth.
