circumcision...ugh

[EarnestImp]

Unless of course, He [God] actually does. [talk to someone]

Whew! If that wasn't ironical, you've got big problems! God talking to some dude in the OT is about as likely as him talking to whathisface with the cartoon av.

You'd think he'd talk to people more nowadays, anyway, with telephones and email and all. Maybe he's one of those old farts who can't deal with tech.

 

[TumbledLove]

This thread is fun.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Yes I know that whatever is said here your gonna do what you feel is right and there's nothing wrong in that but just don't come out with bogus crap like it's healthier and expect nobody's gonna pull you on it, oh and I'm aware that circumcision is older than Kellog but you should also realise that it was not popular or widespread in USA untill Kellog started pushing his BS on people who were sexualy repressed enough and frankly dumb enough to swallow his crap as thruth.

Tell the truth, you think it looks better and have done with it.

i already said an uncut dick is repulsive to me...at least 5 times

and i'm a religious person...and i'm not comfortable with any increased risk...no matter how insignificant you think the numbers are

i worked in medicine and saw a lot of dirty uncut men...i have excellent reason for making my decision

kellogg didn't influence me...and i'm not having it done because his father did

i'm doing it because i want it done ...and that's that

 

[TumbledLove]

I'm having my baby's legs cut off, because I don't like legs, and they would just cause him to get into trouble. I've seen what happens with legs... kids get into bike wrecks, climb trees.. and sometimes fall and break their necks!

so, yep, they're getting cut off. and that's that.

 

[TumbledLove]

and have you seen infected toenails?! holy shit, those things are NASTY as hell. and they stink real bad. plus, whenever your body has an infection, the rest of your body suffers. So cutting off the legs means you don't have to worry about ingrown toenails.

 

[EarnestImp]

and i'm a religious person...

Somehow, these five words explain a lot.

Anyway, I hope you're Moslem or Jewish, because st paul specifically said that Christians shouldn't do it (Galatians something or other...feel free to google). Wouldn't want God to be angry. He can be a real bastard when he gets angry.

 

[LadyJeanne]

I couldn't help but read through the entire link posted by TGF, and found some interesting things I hadn't known. Sorry for the long cut & paste, but WTF? I had no idea Americans had been performing clitoridectomies ever, much less into the 1900's...and then there's the whole plaster of Paris thing. Wow.

I guess it might not be so surprising...Coke used to be the real thing back then too and heroin was sold at your local pharmacy.


Circumcision is now also dwindling in the United States. The rate has been steadily decreasing from near universality in the 1960s to approximately 55% today. Thirteen states no longer pay for the procedure under Medicaid; the other 37 still do.

Doctors have made many claims about circumcision over the years, including. the prevention of epilepsy, penile cancer and phimosis. Circumcision advocates today claim that it reduces urinary tract infections and HIV infection, but these claims are strongly disputed and argued against. (See medical analysis of circumcision.)

The major medical societies in Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand do not support routine infant circumcision. All major medical organizations in the United States now judge the benefits of the procedure to be too small to justify the risks associated with performing it routinely. Neonatal circumcision nonetheless still remains the most common pediatric operation carried out in the U.S. today.

Anti-masturbation panic and male circumcision

Non-religious circumcision in English-speaking countries arose in a climate of sexual fear, especially concerning masturbation. In her 1978 article The Ritual of Circumcision,[10] (http://www.noharmm.org/paige.htm) Karen Erickson Paige writes: "In the United States, the current medical rationale for circumcision developed after the operation was in wide practice. The original reason for the surgical removal of the foreskin, or prepuce, was to control 'masturbatory insanity' - the range of mental disorders that people believed were caused by the 'polluting' practice of 'self-abuse.'"

"Self-abuse" was a term commonly used to describe masturbation in the 19th century. According to Paige, "treatments ranged from diet, moral exhortations, hydrotherapy, and marriage, to such drastic measures as surgery, physical restraints, frights, and punishment. Some doctors recommended covering the penis with plaster of Paris, leather, or rubber; cauterization; making boys wear chastity belts or spiked rings; and in extreme cases, castration." Paige details how circumcision became popular as a masturbation remedy:

"In the 1890s, it became a popular technique to prevent, or cure, masturbatory insanity. In 1891 the president of the Royal College of Surgeons of England published On Circumcision as Preventive of Masturbation, and two years later another British doctor wrote Circumcision: Its Advantages and How to Perform It, which listed the reasons for removing the 'vestigial' prepuce. Evidently the foreskin could cause 'nocturnal incontinence,' hysteria, epilepsy, and irritation that might 'give rise to erotic stimulation and, consequently, masturbation.' Another physician, P.C. Remondino, added that 'circumcision is like a substantial and well-secured life annuity...it insures better health, greater capacity for labor, longer life, less nervousness, sickness, loss of time, and less doctor bills.' No wonder it became a popular remedy." [11] (http://www.noharmm.org/paige.htm)

At the same time circumcisions were advocated on men, clitoridectomies (removal of the clitoris) were also performed for the same reason (to treat female masturbators). The US "Orificial Surgery Society" for female "circumcision" operated until 1925, and clitoridectomies and infibulations would continue to be advocated by some through the 1930s.

One of the leading advocates of circumcision was John Harvey Kellogg, who is well known for his pseudoscientific views on human sexuality. He advocated the consumption of Kellogg's corn flakes to prevent masturbation, and he believed that circumcision would be an effective way to eliminate masturbation in males.

"Covering the organs with a cage has been practiced with entire success. A remedy which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision, especially when there is any degree of phimosis. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anaesthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment, as it may well be in some cases. The soreness which continues for several weeks interrupts the practice, and if it had not previously become too firmly fixed, it may be forgotten and not resumed. If any attempt is made to watch the child, he should be so carefully surrounded by vigilance that he cannot possibly transgress without detection. If he is only partially watched, he soon learns to elude observation, and thus the effect is only to make him cunning in his vice."

 

[fearlessandnaked]

I had no idea Americans had been performing clitoridectomies ever, much less into the 1900's...[/B]

I haven't read that link but I have read another that said the last female genital mutilation was done in the U.S., on a 14 yr old girl, in 1949 to cure ... something like hysteria.


When was Elvis big BTW?

 

[TumbledLove]

John Harvey Kellogg.. advocated the consumption of Kellogg's corn flakes to prevent masturbation..[/B]

hmm.. I've been eating corn flakes for years, and it's never had any effect on me. I guess I'm resistant.

I'm also surprised that clitoridectomies have occured as often or as recently as they have. But then again, the more I learn about history, the more I realize that while we may be living in the future, we still have a LOT of luggage from the past. and the past is not that far removed from today. 100 years is mearly 100 revolutions around the sun.. a blink of the eye. We've come a long way, but we have soo much farther to go.

 

[TumbledLove]

I haven't read that link but I have read another that said the last female genital mutilation was done in the U.S., on a 14 yr old girl, in 1949 to cure ... something like hysteria.

I thought the cure for hysteria was doctors rubbing the patient's clit until orgasm. and vibrators were invented to make the doctor's job easier.

 

[EarnestImp]

Some doctors recommended covering the penis with plaster of Paris, leather, or rubber; cauterization; making boys wear chastity belts or spiked rings; and in extreme cases, castration." Paige details how circumcision became popular as a masturbation remedy

The funny thing is that this stuff is the realm of hardcore perverts nowadays. Who knows what the real motivations of these doctors were. I suspect the same inner tension between sexual desire and moral stricture that produces closeted gay homophobes or whoring televangelists today.

When you think about it, these people essentially came up with a whole bunch of sexual fetishes, one of which happens to have survived. If it hadn't been for some really weird Victorians acting out their sexual anxieties and perversions under the guise of medicine, this thread wouldn't exist.

 

[LadyJeanne]

Why in the world was masturbation considered such a bad thing? Why did parents care so much about what their kids were doing under the covers?

 

[TheOlderGuy]

Why in the world was masturbation considered such a bad thing? Why did parents care so much about what their kids were doing under the covers?

for the same reason that people like TGF think foreskins are bad.

some people like to play God with other people's lives.

TGF likes to remind us that it's not our decision to make.

well, here's a bulletin for her:

it's not your decision either.

it's your son's decision whether he wants his foreskin intact,

but you are forever taking that very personal decision away from him.

sounds like the start of a wonderfully overbearing relationship.

 

[TumbledLove]

seriously. there needs to be more action against parents who do that kind of thing. maybe if enough stories make the news, then things might change. of course, in order for it to make the news, something pretty bad will have to happen.

I hope friday's son grows up to hate her for what she's done. yes, I'm vengeful.

 

[nitengale]

If we took all the threads regarding this topic and pasted them all together...

 

[smy3th]

The realization hit me that TumbledLove and EarnestImp get off on this subject. I'll bet they jack off to those pictures of babies getting clipped. This obsesssion is probably a form of pedophilia. It hit me when I saw the post about kindergartners having sex. Now I'm really creeped out.

 

[TumbledLove]

The realization hit me..

ouch, I hope that doesn't leave a bruise. maybe you should put some ice on it.

 

[EarnestImp]

The realization hit me that TumbledLove and EarnestImp get off on this subject. I'll bet they jack off to those pictures of babies getting clipped. This obsesssion is probably a form of pedophilia. It hit me when I saw the post about kindergartners having sex. Now I'm really creeped out.

This rhetorical desperation is wonderful. Are you feelings hurt because I said you need serious help if you really think that God talks to people in the Old Testament? c'mon. I wanna know. Do you think God talks to people? Do you actually believe in this monkeyshit? I need to know what level of voodoo superstition I'm dealing with.

psst: there's no such thing as the tooth fairy...or santa clause either...hope you can deal

 

[smy3th]

It was TumbledLove who attempted to assert what God does or does not intend, as if he knew what God's intentions are, as if God talks to him. I merely pointed out that he actually has no idea, and was just making up something that tried to sound good. So then he switched to "mother nature" instead of God, as if She speaks to him. What I think about religion, or whether any of it is true is irrelevant to the point that he made a false claim to have knowledge of divine intentions, and that his assumption about divine intentions is by no means self evident.

I do not recall anyone here making a religious argument for circumcision. On the contrary, I quoted the New Testament where it denounces circumcision, and I showed where it was controversial and disliked in the Old Testament. I actually don't recall if I have argued either for or against circumcision, except to say that you are making mountains out of molehills.

You are a guy even more obsessed with penis's than most guys are, and with a peculiar need to talk about it at unceasingly. You must be getting your jollies out of it somehow. I just fail to comprehend your obsession with the subject. It seems quite strange.

p.s. for my quotes of the Bible on the subject,

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=295609&page=20&pp=25 see reply #499

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=295609&page=21&pp=25 see reply #504

These quotes were obviously not an argument for present day circumcision.

 

[Hester]

I hope friday's son grows up to hate her for what she's done. yes, I'm vengeful.

you are not a nice person. and i'm being kind in that assessment

would you like someone to say something like that to your mother?

 

[TumbledLove]

I just fail to comprehend your obsession with the subject. It seems quite strange.

..as does your obsession with continuing to attack others' supposed obsessions about things that you fail to comprehend.

 

[breakwall]

I hope friday's son grows up to hate her for what she's done. yes, I'm vengeful.

Translation: I hope I'm not the only freak on the planet who's obsessed with his missing foreskin.

Dude, you're NEVER gonna get a girlfriend if you keep this up.

 

[TumbledLove]

would you like someone to say something like that to your mother?

actually, I was a rotten child, not to mention a complete smart-ass, and have called my mother a cock-sucker on more than one occasion.

 

[smy3th]

..as does your obsession with continuing to attack others' supposed obsessions about things that you fail to comprehend.

It's not "the things" that I fail to understand. What I fail to understand is why you are obsessed with those things.

 

[TumbledLove]

It's not "the things" that I fail to understand. What I fail to understand is why you are obsessed with those things.

It's the same as anyone who cares strongly about any other subject. You chalked it up to pedophilia. Fine, that's your (misguided) opinion. and you're entitled to it. But you might want to take a refresher course on what pedophilia really is.