circumcision...ugh

[zipman]

i want my hymen back.

fuck your damn foreskins.

LMAO!

You know, you might even be able to sue some people for it.

 

[TumbledLove]

i want my hymen back.
fuck your damn foreskins.

Unless you were raped, or had some kind of bicycle accident, shut the fuck up.

 

[Hester]

Unless you were raped, or had some kind of bicycle accident, shut the fuck up.

i was

your turn to shut the fuck up

 

[TumbledLove]

If you were really raped, then you don't need to shut up, because the choice was taken from you. So, that means, you never had a "turn", and thus, I don't have a turn either.

 

[Hester]

edited.

 

[zipman]

If you were really raped, then you don't need to shut up, because the choice was taken from you. So, that means, you never had a "turn", and thus, I don't have a turn either.

You really are one arrogant prick. Who are you to tell anyone whether or not they have to shut up?

Not to mention the fact that you start your reply by questioning whether or not she was raped. Did she question whether or not you were really circumcised? Maybe your really "uncut" and you just like whining to get attention?

Or maybe you're just a dick.

 

[OUTSIDER]

an uncut penis is unhealthy and unattractive

UNHEALTHY !?! I think you may want to do alittle research first before you make sweeping statements about 80% of the worlds male population like that....the historical reason most American males were cut was because a health nut called Kellog (yes the one who invented the breakfast flake) thought masturbation was a bad thing and decided to stop it by convincing people that cutting newborns was healthier for them, his idea was that a boy who had undergone deep circumcision would be unable to masturbate, the whole healthier thing was a lie put out by doctors to salve the concerned parents worried minds also if your really worried about future health problems then why don't we pull out peoples appendixs or cut off breasts just after birth, after all we know both of those are much more likely to be come diseased in later life than a penis.

And as for unattractive......well don't even get me started there.....thats the same kind of reasoning behind female circumcision and we all know how cruel that practice is.

Your choice is "your" choice but please don't try to justify it with such bogus reasoning, just face the truth and say it like it is....you think it looks better and you think it'll be less work for you in the long run.

 

[TumbledLove]

You really are one arrogant prick. Or maybe you're just a dick.

maybe. I thank you for your insight.

 

[Hester]

You really are one arrogant prick. Who are you to tell anyone whether or not they have to shut up?

Not to mention the fact that you start your reply by questioning whether or not she was raped. Did she question whether or not you were really circumcised? Maybe your really "uncut" and you just like whining to get attention?

Or maybe you're just a dick.

I had no reason to question his circumcision. it's obvious he's a dick with an extra 15 inches of questionable worth.

 

[smy3th]

That's helpful for all those un-christian people.

Well, regardless, it just goes to show that making assumptions about what God wants is risky business unless he talks to you personally, and if he does that, you probably have even bigger problems. This guy talks like he knows why God made foreskins. That sounds pretty arrogant to me, whether he or you are Christian or not. His one suggestion is not well supported by the book that is common to Christians, Jews and Muslims. If you are anything else, I doubt you have a book that tells you much about why God made foreskins. So I suggest he not make assertions about God's intentions unless he has solid evidence.

 

[EarnestImp]

Well, regardless, it just goes to show that making assumptions about what God wants is risky business unless he talks to you personally, and if he does that, you probably have even bigger problems.

Of course, the same thing should be said about the person(s) who wrote the Old Testament. Either they were making risky assumptions about what God wants, or they were seriously screwed in the head if they thought God was speaking to them directly.

 

[TumbledLove]

Religion has no place in the modifying of a baby's body against their will. In fact, people using religion to justify themselves, is what makes it so dangerous.

and when I said "god", I meant "mother nature", in a purely non-religious sense. All boys are born that way, and foreskins are a natural part of the body.

 

[Hester]

what about umbilical cords

should we leave those on too?

 

[EarnestImp]

what about umbilical cords
should we leave those on too?

I don't understand your logic. Umbilical cords shrivel by themselves; they are tied off a cm or two from the body and the navel forms without further intervention.

The final outcome is independent of human action. What is your exact analogy here? Could you elaborate?

 

[TumbledLove]

what about umbilical cords

should we leave those on too?

only until they shrivel up and fall off.

 

[Hester]

you guys really need to get out more.

 

[smy3th]

and when I said "god", I meant "mother nature", in a purely non-religious sense. All boys are born that way, and foreskins are a natural part of the body.

"mother nature," in a purely non-religious sense, has no intentions one way or the other.

So what you were doing was referring to a non-existent authority to support your point. You were claiming a form of omniscience, when really, you don't know shit about why foreskins exist - you are just making a wild guess.

The people that wrote the Old Testament claimed that God did speak to them. You may choose whether or not to believe them, but apparently they did believe it. You don't seem to claim that God speaks to you, so you should not pretend that you know what you don't know. Why criticize them and then do the same thing for which you criticize them?

Appeals to such things as "nature" or "common sense" or the like are just disguised lack of any good reason. Just because foreskins are "natural" does not necessarily make them a good thing.

Religion has no place in the modifying of a baby's body against their will. In fact, people using religion to justify themselves, is what makes it so dangerous.

Of course, that depends entirely on whether or not you believe it, which makes it a useless point to argue. Just because you don't believe it is not at all persuasive to someone who does. In the end, all you can say is that you don't believe it. Yeah? So what? Your lack of belief is of no importance to anyone but yourself.

 

[TumbledLove]

Exactly. thank you for summing that up.

 

[EarnestImp]

The people that wrote the Old Testament claimed that God did speak to them. You may choose whether or not to believe them, but apparently they did believe it. You don't seem to claim that God speaks to you, so you should not pretend that you know what you don't know. Why criticize them and then do the same thing for which you criticize them?

Of course, like you said, anyone who thinks that god speaks to him directly has some pretty 'big problems'.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

UNHEALTHY !?! I think you may want to do alittle research first before you make sweeping statements about 80% of the worlds male population like that....the historical reason most American males were cut was because a health nut called Kellog (yes the one who invented the breakfast flake) thought masturbation was a bad thing and decided to stop it by convincing people that cutting newborns was healthier for them, his idea was that a boy who had undergone deep circumcision would be unable to masturbate, the whole healthier thing was a lie put out by doctors to salve the concerned parents worried minds also if your really worried about future health problems then why don't we pull out peoples appendixs or cut off breasts just after birth, after all we know both of those are much more likely to be come diseased in later life than a penis.

And as for unattractive......well don't even get me started there.....thats the same kind of reasoning behind female circumcision and we all know how cruel that practice is.

Your choice is "your" choice but please don't try to justify it with such bogus reasoning, just face the truth and say it like it is....you think it looks better and you think it'll be less work for you in the long run.

i can't believe this thread is still going...i am absolutely amused

the history of circumcision is long before kellog

http://www.phatnav.com/wiki/index.php?title=History_of_male_circumcision

Origins of male circumcision
Documentary evidence shows the first references to male circumcision in Egypt no later than 2300 B.C. Artwork showing the rite being performed on a standing adult male adorns tombs of this period.

All the male mummies belonging to the ancient Egyptian royal families are circumcised with the only exception being Ahmose, the founder of the Eighteenth dynasty of Egypt, and some unidentified boys who did not reach adulthood.

The performance of circumcision is one of the rules of cleanliness in Islam. It is reported by Abu Hurairah that the Prophet Muhammed mentioned:

"Five are the acts quite akin to fitra: circumcision, shaving the pubes, cutting the nails, plucking the hair under the armpits and clipping (or shaving) the moustache."

Jewish philosophers hold that the reason is to seal in one's flesh a symbol of the covenant between God and the Jewish people


and here's a little info on kellogg

One of the leading advocates of circumcision was John Harvey Kellogg, who is well known for his pseudoscientific views on human sexuality. He advocated the consumption of Kellogg's corn flakes to prevent masturbation, and he believed that circumcision would be an effective way to eliminate masturbation in males.

the man believed eating cornflakes would prevent masturbation...and you think this guy is a credible advocate for circumcision

and i'm not chosing circumcision because i'm concerned about my son masturbating

this is the most ridiculous thread i have ever seen

here's the deal....my son is being circumcised, i have good reason for having it done

it's my choice, not yours, and there is nothing anyone on this board could say that is going to change anything about the way i think and feel about circumcision

and....here's the kicker....i don't care what anyone else thinks about any of it

you people need a foreskin support group or something

sheesh

i thought penis envy was a ridiculous thing....foreskin anxiety is just pathetic

 

[smy3th]

Of course, like you said, anyone who thinks that god speaks to him directly has some pretty 'big problems'.

Unless of course, He actually does.

 

[smy3th]

this is the most ridiculous thread i have ever seen

Never mention circumcision here. It brings out the loonies.

you people need a foreskin support group or something

sheesh

i thought penis envy was a ridiculous thing....foreskin anxiety is just pathetic

Well said. Ridiculous and pathetic.

 

[EarnestImp]

here's the deal....my son is being circumcised, i have good reason for having it done

it's my choce, not yours and there is nothing anyone on this board could say that is going to change anything about the way i think and feel about circumcision

Geeze, calm down. He said do whatever you like to your kid. Slice and dice to your heart's content. Who gives a shit. It's your bullshit medical justifications he objected to. So take a chill pill.

The infection thing is really bollocks...without circ, a kid won't get a UTI 99.5% of the time. With circ, he won't get a UTI 99.75% of the time. whoop-ee-doo. If you think this is big benefit for surgery, I've got a bridge to sell you.

The only thing your rant demonstrates is the shocking inadequacy of math education in the US.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Never mention circumcision here. It brings out the loonies.

Well said. Ridiculous and pathetic.

no kidding!!

some of these people have serious issues

 

[OUTSIDER]

Yes I know that whatever is said here your gonna do what you feel is right and there's nothing wrong in that but just don't come out with bogus crap like it's healthier and expect nobody's gonna pull you on it, oh and I'm aware that circumcision is older than Kellog but you should also realise that it was not popular or widespread in USA untill Kellog started pushing his BS on people who were sexualy repressed enough and frankly dumb enough to swallow his crap as thruth.

Tell the truth, you think it looks better and have done with it.