circumcision...ugh

[Drinking Cap]

I just don't get it. Did Tumbled get a glimpse of an uncut guy in the shower and get jealous one day? Did he hear stories about how you can keep spare change in your foreskin? Who in their right mind cares about these things?

 

[TumbledLove]

Just because the majority believe something, that doesn't make it right.

 

[breakwall]

Just because the majority believe something, that doesn't make it right.

Perhaps not. But in this particular case, it's legal, law-abiding and medically sound.

 

[Drinking Cap]

Just because the majority believe something, that doesn't make it right.

True but just because one whack-job(tee hee) believes another thing doesn't make it right, either. Especially, actually.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

At the core, I think maybe it's a new parent's hope that their child will be the most perfect baby on the planet. Fretting over every aspect. But, it is such a strange practice ... makes me wonder how they came up with the idea. Who was the guy who stood up & said, "Hey, let's lop this stretch of skin off our cranks & make it a social standard!"

think about life 2000 years ago , or 1000, or 500 years ago....bathing wasn't a real regular thing, there were no such thing as condoms, stds were rampant i'm sure, and there wasn't toilet paper...i imagine there were a lot of infected penii and a way to minimize infection was to remove the area that created a pocket for all kinds of nasty things to collect in...a pocket which houses the penis and a direct opening into the body ....easy entry point for infection

and as a woman....i wouldn't put a nasty thing like that in my mouth...or any other part of my body.....not even a hand job

so i imagine circumcised men got head and laid more because they were cleaner back then

 

[hislove66]

Perhaps not. But in this particular case, it's legal, law-abiding and medically sound.

medically sound?

I don't hear of a lot of people dieing or getting sick because they were not circumsized. And I'm in Europe, very few men are cut here. If it had such horrible consequences to not be cut, the papers (and the net....lol) should be full of these stories.

I see NO negative effects of NOT being cut.

Being cut can have serious negative effects.

And that is what it comes down to, when, as a parent, you have to make that decision.

I have been with both, and what matters most, is the MAN attached to the penis, not the penis.

 

[breakwall]

medically sound?

yep.

I quoted an AMA study earlier in this thread that said complications were rare and negligible.

I don't think it's the medical complications that people are worked up over.
People just really really love their foreskins.

 

[hislove66]

think about life 2000 years ago , or 1000, or 500 years ago....bathing wasn't a real regular thing, there were no such thing as condoms, stds were rampant i'm sure, and there wasn't toilet paper...i imagine there were a lot of infected penii and a way to minimize infection was to remove the area that created a pocket for all kinds of nasty things to collect in...a pocket which houses the penis and a direct opening into the body ....easy entry point for infection

That is exactly why it made sense 2000 years ago, but not anymore...

 

[TumbledLove]

Perhaps not. But in this particular case, it's legal, law-abiding and medically sound.

sure, and just in the past century, all drugs were hailed as "cure-alls" and sold in the corner market. Heroin, cocaine.. anything you wanted. "Doctor Recommended" doesn't mean much as time goes on.

Headaches used to be cured by carving notches in the head. It was perfectly normal back in the day.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

I think parents who give permission (which they shouldn't even have in the first place), to allow a perfectly normal and healthy part of a baby's body to be hacked off, are ignorant and incapable of rational thought. It's basically a mental problem that only effects western society and certain 3rd world countries. They've simply been conditioned to believe that's it's ok to do it, and use twisted logic to reinforce what they believe. They're probably not able to think for themselves and about what's best for their baby. Of course, they're not aware of that fact, because they've been raised to believe that it's normal.

The people who perform or otherwise assist in circumcision are even worse. and most likely, it's done by a doctor that was conditioned to believe it's ok, because he himself was circumcised as a baby.

Nothing can justify it.

What if it became common practice to cut off a girl's nipples, because it prevented cancer? Sure, most people think it's ludicrous now, but just wait until it becomes normal.

you think we're nuts because we make a decision we feel is in the best interest of our child....and you're sitting there with an AV of kiddie porn...infantilism really...with a binky in the girl toddlers vagina

you promote child porn and criticize parents who believe in circumcision....i see

you ought to check in somewhere with earnest....see if you can get a group rate on a padded cell

 

[TumbledLove]

and while we're talking about majorities.. The majority of the world's men have normal bodies. It's the minority that continues carrying on with an outdated, caveman act.

 

[breakwall]

sure, and just in the past century, all drugs were hailed as "cure-alls" and sold in the corner market. Heroin, cocaine.. anything you wanted. "Doctor Recommended" doesn't mean much as time goes on.

Headaches used to be cured by carving notches in the head. It was perfectly normal back in the day.

I think that by comparing a modern medical procedure done in a clinical environment to Trepanning, you rather undercut your credibility. Such as it is.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Lighten up Francis.

You know, I hate to break this to you, but your penis wouldn't be any longer if they left that little bit on.

spew!!!!

 

[TumbledLove]

you ought to check in somewhere with earnest....see if you can get a group rate on a padded cell

Sounds good. I hope to see you there.

 

[TumbledLove]

you rather undercut your credibility. Such as it is.

Ha, I have ZERO credibility. All I have is my opinion. and that usually counts for squat.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Hey, females get smegma too, in their nooks and crannies. I've seen it. And European boys seem to have no trouble washing (and lots of Europeans, particularly Nordics and Germans, have much better standard hygiene then Americans, BTW).

but I'm really not trying to change your mind...slice and dice all you want...I just want to demonstrate that your justifications and rationalizions are basically pretty stupid and irrational.

the only point you've proven in this thread is that you have an obsession with circumcision

you don't recognize that you have issues but all the other posters in this thread, including myself, sure have recognized them

in fact, the people against it stated their opinion once and left it at that....however, you and jamie dodger continue to obsess

 

[thegirlfriday11]

wow, your ignorance and lack of disregard (love) for your son, is appalling. Let me guess.. you're not gonna make him take baths, and make sure he brushes his teeth and cleans behind his ears either.

Foreskin is nearly 15 square inches. God put it there for a reason. and not to be hacked off by some dumbass parent.

kiddie porn!!!!

move along sicko

 

[EarnestImp]

think about life 2000 years ago , or 1000, or 500 years ago....bathing wasn't a real regular thing, there were no such thing as condoms, stds were rampant i'm sure, and there wasn't toilet paper...i imagine there were a lot of infected penii and a way to minimize infection was to remove the area that created a pocket for all kinds of nasty things to collect in...a pocket which houses the penis and a direct opening into the body

Um, yeah, that's why circumcision was limited to a few small ethnic groups in the Middle East and Africa. The other places, like China, India, Europe, and the New World, must have had toilet paper, condoms, and penicillin for STDs. (any evidence for rampant STDs?)

That's essentially the problem with your thinking process. You replace rational analysis with colorful narrative and fantasy.

 

[TumbledLove]

I just don't get it. Did Tumbled get a glimpse of an uncut guy in the shower and get jealous one day? Did he hear stories about how you can keep spare change in your foreskin? Who in their right mind cares about these things?

In all likelyhood, if I still had the same, normal penis that I was born with, then I wouldn't give a crap about this at all. I've known people that have done that to their sons (not for religion; just *because* they wanted to). and, well, it would have been better for me not to know that, because now we're not really friends anymore.

oh, and I'm like a wind-up toy. Once I get revved up about something, I never shut up. I just keep harping on the same thing over and over, and beat my drum. and my meat.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

And your incessent need for attempting to make her feel guilty or bad, are stupid and irrational. She never asked for anyone's opinion on her choice to have her son circumcised, in the first place.

it is a very poor attemp....all he is doing is making himself look scary and stupid

i don't feel guilty in the least, nor do i feel stupid or irrational

however i do feel the need to contact someone about earnest...he really shouldn't be allowed out on his own

 

[thegirlfriday11]

15 square inches.
On a baby.

It's a penis, not an elephant trunk.

you're killing me!!

 

[TumbledLove]

kiddie porn!!!!

move along sicko

actually, it's not kiddie porn, as long as real children are not depicted.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

from what? I have an unprotected penis and it's not exactly covered in scars.

A few teeth marks...man, I'll never forget HER...

i'm dying!!!

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Good, maybe next time, you'll think about your baby's well-being, instead of your personal convenience. If you don't wanna take care of him, then either get an abortion, or give him up. or better yet, keep your damn legs closed.

you talk about the well being of a child and your AV is exploiting the image of children in a sexual manner

you are significantly stupid

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Bloody hell, she started a thread on the subject. That's an invite to comment. heat, kitchen, etc.

what, she wanted people to commiserate that she did, but didn't want to circ her kid? Were we all supposed to supply an electronic hanky and tell her that she was doing the right thing and that she was best mommy in the whole wide world?

Look, she can obviously do whatever she wants, but if she continues to publicly post bullshit rationalizations and crackpot medical advice (eg cleaning under prepuce, no nerve blocks, etc, etc) then she'll get called an idiot. Simple.

i said a local anesthetic will be injected to numb the area around the penis
...a nerve block numbs a larger than necessary area

you are so fucking twisted it's not even funny