circumcision...ugh

[EarnestImp]

i gotta admit here guys, I'm getting a bit weirded out talking about baby penises. Earnest, apparently you're only purpose on this board is to talk about circumcision and hey...that's um...

Well, actually, that's not true

But I congratulate you on a post that was almost not filled with bullshit facts. You actually managed to express a set of opinions without making up data, and without engaging in strawman arguments. That's real progress. I almost respected you there, until that inaccurate 'only purpose' crack.

 

[JammieDodger]

Fact: the only REAL argument against circumcision is personal preference.

It depends how you define personal preference. I have a personal preference not to fall down a well (only thing I could think of, sorry, its ridiculous I know). The foreskin is there to protect the head from desensitisation in later life (and loss of sex drive because of that). Its obvious it has psychological impacts, I'm sure you'll dismiss all the research already posted, but I'm sure you'll agree there are alot of men who are extremely angry about losing the foreskin... the circumcision has led to them being rather unhappy.

 

[EarnestImp]

The other issue, of course, is the pain issue. Hospitals still don't use anesthesia. This is something else your AMA source mentions. So your 'inhumane' argument is on shaky grounds, if you read your own source.

 

[supple_curves]

I left my son uncut & never had a second thought about it.

 

[JammieDodger]

I left my son uncut & never had a second thought about it.

Thats all well and good, but what should I do if want to perform analingus on you? ... ... ...meh, made sense and seemed relevent at the time!

 

[EarnestImp]

I left my son uncut & never had a second thought about it.

Heaven forbid, common sense, in a seldom-seen triumph, emerges victorious. A rarity in American culture. You must belong to the 15% 'not utterly daft' fringe demographic. Seriously, a sensible decision. He now has the privilege of expressing his own preference, whatever it may be.

 

[JammieDodger]

Heaven forbid, common sense, in a seldom-seen triumph, emerges victorious. A rarity in American culture. You must belong to the 15% 'not utterly daft' fringe demographic. Seriously, a sensible decision. He now has the privilege of expressing his own preference, whatever it may be.

Now you're just being a twat...

 

[supple_curves]

Thats all well and good, but what should I do if want to perform analingus on you? ... ... ...meh, made sense and seemed relevent at the time!

uhhhh

 

[supple_curves]

Heaven forbid, common sense, in a seldom-seen triumph, emerges victorious. A rarity in American culture. You must belong to the 15% 'not utterly daft' fringe demographic. Seriously, a sensible decision. He now has the privilege of expressing his own preference, whatever it may be.

I just didn't see the need for it. I've dated quite a few guys who were uncut, know guys who are uncut, no big deal. If he wants it removed, he can have it done.

 

[JammieDodger]

uhhhh

*sniggers* I do such things for amusement sometimes, my amusement, I do apologise!

 

[supple_curves]

*sniggers* I do such things for amusement sometimes, my amusement, I do apologise!

No harm.

 

[EarnestImp]

I just didn't see the need for it. I've dated quite a few guys who were uncut, know guys who are uncut, no big deal. If he wants it removed, he can have it done.

I guess I don't understand how some people can think like this, and other people completely spaz out at normal male anatomy. Is it a cultural difference? Geographical? Is it educational?

There was an article on circ in the New York Times in which an MD was quoted as saying that the upper or educated classes were abandoning circ (at least in New York), whereas the practice continued stronger in the lower and working classes. In this case, it seemed like cosmopolitanism and a somewhat broader and more flexible world view cause the practice to fade away.

 

[supple_curves]

I guess I don't understand how some people can think like this, and other people completely spaz out at normal male anatomy. Is it a cultural difference? Geographical? Is it educational?

There was an article on circ in the New York Times in which an MD was quoted as saying that the upper or educated classes were abandoning circ (at least in New York), whereas the practice continued stronger in the lower and working classes. In this case, it seemed like cosmopolitanism and a somewhat broader and more flexible world view cause the practice to fade away.

Of the friends of mine who have sons, mine is the only uncut. The others have all said the same thing, which is because the father had it, they did it to the son.

 

[breakwall]

Well, actually, that's not true

But I congratulate you on a post that was almost not filled with bullshit facts. You actually managed to express a set of opinions without making up data, and without engaging in strawman arguments. That's real progress. I almost respected you there, until that inaccurate 'only purpose' crack.

...well, before this thread, I've never heard of you before and you've posted over 50 times here.

I gotta tell you, Ernie, it's a bit odd.

I think what we need here is a great big dose of perspective.

And everybody can join in the fun, because we all have stories exactly like this:
Five years old, put a drill through my hand. Ghastly wound.
It took a half an hour to get to the hospital. Terrible pain.
Eleven stitches. Emergency procedure, done without anesthesia.

Overall, a truly horrifying experience. And to this very day...I can pick up a drill without the slightest hesitation. There's a neat, round scar on my palm but otherwise, I'm completely unscathed by the entire event. Other than when we're looking for a good 'personal injury' story I don't have a second thought about it.

I'll leave you to your conclusions.

 

[EarnestImp]

Five years old, put a drill through my hand. Ghastly wound.
It took a half an hour to get to the hospital. Terrible pain.
Eleven stitches. Emergency procedure, done without anesthesia....
I'll leave you to your conclusions.

My conclusions would depend on whether this was an accident, or a deliberate act by your parents. I'm assuming accident, though the verb 'put' doesn't have a subject.

[size=-3]yes, there is a hint of sarcasm above. let's see if it gets taken literally[/size]

 

[FrenziedMaiden]

This thread is still going? Does anyone really think that they are going to change anyone else's opinion on the subject?

 

[TheOlderGuy]

This thread is still going? Does anyone really think that they are going to change anyone else's opinion on the subject?

probably not.

it IS too bad the boy will never have a choice.

it IS his penis.

if she had any integrity she would leave it up to him whether he wants to be needlessly mutilated. or NOT.

but she has some twisted need to control it for him. probably a deep psychological profile at the base of it. but no, her mind will not be changed, and neither will the mind of those who speak out in defense of their penises.

 

[supple_curves]

probably not.

it IS too bad the boy will never have a choice.

it IS his penis.

if she had any integrity she would leave it up to him whether he wants to be needlessly mutilated. or NOT.

but she has some twisted need to control it for him. probably a deep psychological profile at the base of it. but no, her mind will not be changed, and neither will the mind of those who speak out in defense of their penises.

or the kid may never care

 

[FrenziedMaiden]

probably not.

it IS too bad the boy will never have a choice.

it IS his penis.

if she had any integrity she would leave it up to him whether he wants to be needlessly mutilated. or NOT.

but she has some twisted need to control it for him. probably a deep psychological profile at the base of it. but no, her mind will not be changed, and neither will the mind of those who speak out in defense of their penises.

This thread is more warped than I had thought. Have fun defending your penis.

 

[EarnestImp]

or the kid may never care

True...but if the kid may never care, why should mom care? In other words, if you read this thread, you will find that mom has a really violent opinion against foreskins. If you accept that such a violent opinion is normal, why is it implausible that the kid may have an equally violent opinion in the other direction? Or is mom the only one who can have a strong opinion?

 

[supple_curves]

True...but if the kid may never care, why should mom care? In other words, if you read this thread, you will find that mom has a really violent opinion against foreskins. If you accept that such a violent opinion is normal, why is it implausible that the kid may have an equally violent opinion in the other direction? Or is mom the only one who can have a strong opinion?

I'm becoming a bit more concerned why you're so interested in his foreskin. No one can predict what the kid's going to feel, and if you read my remarks, you'll know my stance on the subject. She's gonna lop the 'skin off, ok. I can't stop her. You can't stop her. And, it isn't our place to attempt to. All we get to do is state our opinion ~ which I've done.

Just be glad the topic is circumcision and not castration.

 

[smy3th]

Get the stereotype right, its thinking WITH our dicks

From what I can tell, it is both with AND about. But EarnestImp really carries the latter to extremes. He not only thinks about his own dick, he thinks about everyone else's too.

Yeah, I went though the list of all of E-I's posts, and he's right, he doesn't just post about circumcision. It's probably about 1/4 of his posts. Like I said, he has a real obsession. Nobody should be that obsessed about foreskins.

 

[EarnestImp]

I'm becoming a bit more concerned why you're so interested in his foreskin.

Oh, heavens, I'm not interested in his foreskin. I don't even know the guy, er, foetus.

I am interested in and repulsed by the bizarre maternal psychology of the practice...there seems to be this weird Oedipal thing going when certain women (not you) have a peculiarly strong interest in the sexual and aesthetic qualities of their sons' penises, even though (I hope) that they will never put said organ to any use.

 

[smy3th]

Just be glad the topic is circumcision and not castration.

*shudder* Ugh. I certainly agree with you about that. Makes my balls shrivel thinking about it.

 

[FrenziedMaiden]

Oh, heavens, I'm not interested in his foreskin. I don't even know the guy, er, foetus.

I am interested in and repulsed by the bizarre maternal psychology of the practice...there seems to be this weird Oedipal thing going when certain women (not you) have a peculiarly strong interest in the sexual and aesthetic qualities of their sons' penises, even though (I hope) that they will never put said organ to any use.

Oh sure, blame it on the mother. Like there have been absolutely no fathers who have ever requested circumcision for their sons.

I can now see why this thread has continued going like it has, it's full of madness.