circumcision...ugh

[EarnestImp]

find me 10 men who have long-term neurological damage from circumcision....because i know at least 100 circumsized men who have no problems neurologically or otherwise

No, this isn't how science works. First, they claimed that circ has no long term pain effects. Then Taddio et al came along and published two studies demonstrating that the effects of the pain last at least half a year. Now it is an open question how much longer the effects last, and how detrimental the increased pain sensitivity is. Only more studies over a longer term can show this.

And it is not a matter of pointing to 10 men. Only an idiot would think that this is how science is done. It is a matter of doing careful population statistics. But I don't even know why I am typing this, because scientific matters such as this are evidently beyond your comprehension.

 

[deathbypickle]

He would need glasses to find it. I hear he has a lovely Mangina though.

*snicker*

 

[thegirlfriday11]

I normally don't post in these types of threads, but ya know everyone keeps talking about all the pain these baby boys endure, and all links posted talk about the traditional 'cutting' but my son and my nephew were both done using a 'plastibell' type. There was no pain involved. A plastic ring was placed to cut off the blood flow to the foreskin and within a week it fell off. (Ok that sounds just nasty lol ) But the fact remains they didn't suffer pain and really it wasn't any more disgusting that the umbelical cord ( I know I didn't spell that right) drying up and falling off. They both lasted about the same length of time.

My husband and I didn't agonize over this decision, it's almost ingrained in us. Maybe there are reasons not to have it done, but there are just as many for it also.

I know someone will go google this method and post horror stories of it also. But then name one surgical procedure that you CAN'T do that with.

I had c-sections 3 times. The first time was because of fetal distress. The 2nd time I had the choice to try natural again. I (me, myself and I ) selfishly chose the c-section, becasue it hurt less than the labor I endured. So many people gasp and say I made the wrong decision and didn't bond with my baby in the minutes after birth (I was also put all the way under not just a saddle block) I say I have that baby's whole life to bond and I personally think that being the best mom I know how to be for the rest of that baby's life, will more than make up for those first few minutes.

I also lived in England when I a child. My dad was in the AF and while we were stationed there we were befriended by the english couple next door. The son was about the same age as my sister (about 6 or 7) and he had to be circumcised ( I was a kid I didn't know why then and still don't know) But I do remember the agony he went thru. Seems to me a bit of pain he would never have remembered would have been better than that.

exactly

and what you decide to do with your child and what makes you and your family comfortable is your decision...not the decision of hysterical, overly dramatic people who don't have kids or who choose to make different decisions about their own than you did with yours

 

[EarnestImp]

See knew someone would google this for horror stories.

Yes, because you posted something that is WRONG. You posted that a plastibell circ is not painful. This isn't a horror story, it is just a video of a typical plastibell circ that contradicts what you wrote. Are you people really so thick? Do you really have such a complete and total disregard for simple facts?

 

[thegirlfriday11]

stick to your guns,
don't let anyone sway you to what you already have decided.

good luck

thanks....and believe me...no one at lit...or in r/l... is going to sway my decision as to what to do with my child except his father, who is also circumcized

 

[gman23]

Yes, because you posted something that is WRONG. You posted that a plastibell circ is not painful. This isn't a horror story, it is just a video of a typical plastibell circ that contradicts what you wrote. Are you people really so thick? Do you really have such a complete and total disregard for simple facts?

It's pretty typical of the way TGF11 views everything. You must be new here.

 

[cookiejar]

I do know of someone in our family that was uncircumsized and got an infection at 16. It caused him to become sterile, so it can happen.

Bottom line...It's your child, it's no ones business but your own.

 

[deathbypickle]

thanks....and believe me...no one at lit...or in r/l... is going to sway my decision as to what to do with my child except his father, who is also circumcized

the reason i didn't have it done
my kids dad was not, so my son wasn't

i think it is a very good reason to have it done

this way he grows up being just like daddy

 

[thegirlfriday11]

In Sweden, they actually use an anesthetic cream for this. They are really big on avoiding pain because it interferes with feeding, even the minor pain of needle sticks. But the pain of circ is on a different level. An adult does not need anesthesia for needle stick; he certainly does need it for circ. Could you please try to think rationally and honestly?

i have

he's my kid and he's being circumsized, regardless of your opinion

could you be less hysterical, chicken little?

 

[Shylady]

Yes, because you posted something that is WRONG. You posted that a plastibell circ is not painful. This isn't a horror story, it is just a video of a typical plastibell circ that contradicts what you wrote. Are you people really so thick? Do you really have such a complete and total disregard for simple facts?

You want facts? This is a fact. The nurse came and took my sleeping, snuggly wonderful son to the operating room. In less than an hour she brought my awake but still content son back to me. A little cuddling and he was sleeping soundly again. I am pretty sure they used a local and while he might have had a tiny bit of discomfort, he was no traumitized baby when I got him back.

 

[gman23]

I do know of someone in our family that was uncircumsized and got an infection at 16. It caused him to become sterile, so it can happen.

Bottom line...It's your child, it's no ones business but your own.

And if you dont wash your ass, you could get ass cancer too.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

No, this isn't how science works. First, they claimed that circ has no long term pain effects. Then Taddio et al came along and published two studies demonstrating that the effects of the pain last at least half a year. Now it is an open question how much longer the effects last, and how detrimental the increased pain sensitivity is. Only more studies over a longer term can show this.

And it is not a matter of pointing to 10 men. Only an idiot would think that this is how science is done. It is a matter of doing careful population statistics. But I don't even know why I am typing this, because scientific matters such as this are evidently beyond your comprehension.

lmao!!

whatever

 

[cookiejar]

And if you dont wash your ass, you could get ass cancer too.

Actually I didn't ask if he washed his cock but infections happen from other sources too.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

I do know of someone in our family that was uncircumsized and got an infection at 16. It caused him to become sterile, so it can happen.

Bottom line...It's your child, it's no ones business but your own.

exactly

 

[EarnestImp]

i have
he's my kid and he's being circumsized, regardless of your opinion
could you be less hysterical, chicken little?

Hysteria? I'm just insisting that people are honest with the facts. Everything I write is backed up.

You're the one who brought up trauma. Remember? In the very first post, you wrote that you were going to "traumatize" your son. Your word, not mine. I never even used this word, despite your accusations.

 

[restlessnights]

my poor son...but he's having it done

and one of the first decisions i have to make as a mom is whether to traumatize him on the first or second day of his birth

Sorry to interrupt, but, I thought you were having a girl?

 

[EarnestImp]

I am pretty sure they used a local and while he might have had a tiny bit of discomfort, he was no traumitized baby when I got him back.

Pretty sure? You mean you didn't research it ahead of time, and insist on a local?

 

[LadyG]

No matter how you slice it. Performing an unneeded painful operation on someone without their consent is child abuse. Just because society says it's ok, doesn't mean it is. I just dont see how a person who supposedly loves their child could do this just because it is the accepted social norm. It was accepted to lynch Blacks at one time and to burn so called witches also.

What if it's a religious belief, as in Judaism?

 

[Gord]

What if it's a religious belief, as in Judaism?

you see I can almost understand the reasoning - if not agree - I have an understanding on where they are coming from

Girlfridays justification in that it would be smelly gross and look bad doesnt quite do it for me

anyway as she says no -one is going to change her mind so be it

ta ta folks - off to see whats happening out in the big blue beyond

 

[breakwall]

You are so full of shit. Circumcision is institutialized child abuse, nothing less.
I imagine you will be the kind of mother who will pump her child full of Chemicals at the first sign he doesn't fit into the standard educational development box also.

of all the spewing rhetoric in this thread, this one takes the absolute cake.

Gman, please please please tell me you aren't THIS much of an idiot. Tell me you got a bit carried away.



I'm circumcised.
I don't remember having it done. I don't have any long term psychological effects from it. In fact, it rarely crosses my mind at all.

However, when I was growing up and involved in sports I saw a lot of uncut wangs in the locker room and I gotta tell you, everytime I did I mentally thanked my mom for having me circumcised.

I'm just being honest.

 

[LadyG]

you see I can almost understand the reasoning - if not agree - I have an understanding on where they are coming from

Girlfridays justification in that it would be smelly gross and look bad doesnt quite do it for me

anyway as she says no -one is going to change her mind so be it

ta ta folks - off to see whats happening out in the big blue beyond

I hear ya, Gord.

I don't think her reasoning is the best, but then you have examples like DBP's where it had to be done anyway and ended up being traumatic for the child.

It's her decision as a parent, but I hope when her son asks her why she did it, she doesn't say it was because it looked gross.

 

[bytor2112]

no remove YOUR COCK, put your glasses on and read it correctly

but they didn't remove his cock...damn you're dumb..

 

[deathbypickle]

but they didn't remove his cock...damn you're dumb..

and your a fucktard

toodles

 

[hydrex]

My son was circumsized eight days after he was born. I still don't know exactly why they did that so late. I do know they had him spread eagled to a board that they stood up, and he screamed at the top of his lungs for three hours straight.

Talk about stress. His mom couldn't even stay in the waiting room down the hall because she could still hear him screaming. I stayed to peek through the blinds.

I am circumsized and so is his older brother. That's one reason we had it done. We want him to be like dad so he won't feel weird about being different.

I must add he is now one of the happiest kids you'd ever meet. I think the problem with the circumcision was the doctors fault.

 

[EarnestImp]

However, when I was growing up and involved in sports I saw a lot of uncut wangs in the locker room and I gotta tell you, everytime I did I mentally thanked my mom for having me circumcised.

I really think that this is a legitimate preference for an individual male to have. But each male should be able to decide for himself what his preference will be. Of course, this means that you would have to have been circed voluntarily later in life, but it would be a couple of days of pain and a week of discomfort.

Were the uncut guys rushing to get circ'ed, or were they also happy with what they had?