circumcision...ugh

[thegirlfriday11]

Wow! Have you ever had to clean a female's genitalia? If you have a daughter, will you also surgically strip away any un-necessary bits of flesh? Or does your logic apply only to the male persuasion?

yes, i have cleaned women and i don't see women as having any excess flesh on their genitals

if my kid had a wart or skin tag, i'd have it removed

 

[gman23]

an uncut penis is unhealthy and unattractive

You are so full of shit. Circumcision is institutialized child abuse, nothing less.
I imagine you will be the kind of mother who will pump her child full of Chemicals at the first sign he doesn't fit into the standard educational development box also.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

yes you dont like the look of a normal penis ....and it could get a bit smelly if not washed - just like all part of our bodies - if not washed they could get dirty

good reasoning

i also stated that it's ugly, gross, unattractive, unhealthy, and can lead to social and sexual rejection; and to me, those reasons are enough to decide that my son is going to have it done

 

[Guest]

yes, i have cleaned women and i don't see women as having any excess flesh on their genitals

if my kid had a wart or skin tag, i'd have it removed

I guess it's all a matter of perspective, because I can easily imagine some people saying that cleaning women is gross, especially when they are menstruating, or if they're on antibiotics (which often gives women yeast infections), etc.

I don't know too many people who would think of foreskin as being similar to a wart, in that it is something that shouldn't be there or is somehow abnormal. But again, it's a matter of perspective, and I can see that you feel very strongly that foreskin is somehow abnormal and defective, and that's probably why you feel it is disgusting.

 

[EarnestImp]

since i will be cleaning and diapering him for a year, i don't necessarily want to clean all the gross stuff that gets trapped under the skin

Yet again, for someone who claims medical training, you are STUNNINGLY ignorant of the facts.

The foreskin remains attached to the glans for a long time, and you are not supposed to clean under it, just like you don't clean deep under the fingernails, or inside your daughter's vagina.

This is what the American Academy of Pediatrics says

Foreskin retraction occurs when the foreskin can be pulled back away from the glans toward the abdomen. This process happens on its own. When it happens is different for every child. It may take a few days, weeks, months, or even years. This is normal. Most boys will be able to retract their foreskins by the time they are 18 years old.Foreskin retraction should never be forced. While the foreskin is still attached to the glans of the penis, do not try to pull it back, especially in an infant. Forcing the foreskin to retract before it is ready may harm the penis and cause pain, bleeding, and tears in the skin.

I realize that I won't persuade you. I really don't care. What I can do is use published medical information to show that despite your claims of medical training you are essentially medically incompetent.

Just read what you wrote, and then read the accepted instructions for caring for an intact child. What you wrote has no basis in reality, and is in fact dangerous. In a medical context, we would call it malpractice.

 

[gman23]

STUNNINGLY ignorant

Perfect description of her.

 

[Gord]

i also stated that it's ugly, gross, unattractive, unhealthy, and can lead to social and sexual rejection; and to me, those reasons are enough to decide that my son is going to have it done

jesus ...........scary shit

* twilight zone * music

 

[thegirlfriday11]

how old are you ...............you honestly sould like a 16 year old who is discussing some your boyfriends taste in clothes or something

i'm 35 and i wouldn't date a man who was tacky in dress either

nor will i have a son with a bunch of dirty, nasty, unattractive, and unnecessary skin bagging around his penis

 

[FrenziedMaiden]

Girlfriday, they will most likely want to do the procedure on the first day. They will probably ask you if you want him to be circumsized while they are asking you the long list of questions of what you want done with the baby, as you are in labor. After he is born, and you have had your time to bond together, they will take him to get the various tests and such done on him, and will probably perform the procedure then, if possible.

 

[EarnestImp]

yes, i have cleaned women and i don't see women as having any excess flesh on their genitals

Of course they do. The clitoral hood is not necessary, and labiaplasty is becoming a popular cosmetic procedure - ie, trimming back big flappy labia and leaving just thin lips behind.

So why not lop it off? Floppy labia are gross and ugly, and can lead to social and sexual rejection.

 

[Guest]

i'm 35 and i wouldn't date a man who was tacky in dress either

nor will i have a son with a bunch of dirty, nasty, unattractive, and unnecessary skin bagging around his penis

Wow...... just....... wow..... I can foresee the possibility of this son developing a self-image problem and a complex about male anatomy.

This, to me, is just as horrifying as hearing a parent say, "I have to sew up my daughter's vagina and give her a clitorodectomy because her parts are nasty, dirty, unatrractive, and we can't have any unnecessary things gaping open."

What I'm getting at here is that if you feel that circumcision is right for your kid, one would hope it's because you have a better reason for doing it than what you've just described.

I feel sorry for your kid. I can't imagine growing up with a parent who feels that way about the natural anatomy of male children.

 

[Gord]

i'm 35 and i wouldn't date a man who was tacky in dress either

nor will i have a son with a bunch of dirty, nasty, unattractive, and unnecessary skin bagging around his penis

I honestly feel sorry for your son - if this ishow you perceive a normal healthy penis


you have issues with men and penis's ....dont you


how long have you felt this way .

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Wow... good luck cleaning the gross stuff that comes out of his butt...



If it's any consolation, I don't know that he would get teased or be rejected by girls. I was born and raised in the U.S., and I've dated guys who are uncircumsized, and I've never had a problem with that. In fact, I didn't see anything abnormal or wierd about it. The thing is, if you instill in your son the idea that "foreskin is just extra skin, it serves no purpose, it's dirty, and unattractive" (your words) then he will DEFINITELY tease or show disgust towards any other boys he sees who are not circumsized (which is not very nice) and he will feel as though the way he was when he was born was somehow wrong, or that he was born defective (and that would make him feel bad, I'm sure). So while those are your own personal feelings about it, I'd caution you not to pass those feelings on to him (whether he gets circumsized or not) because otherwise he'll be more likely to tease other boys and feel that something was wrong with him when he was born.

i don't know one single circumsized man who wishes he weren't or who has issues with being circumcized, and other than now, i seriously doubt the issue of circumcision will ever be brought up in my son's life again until he's deciding whether or not he has it done to his son should he have one

if my son ever comes home and asks about an uncut penis, i'll tell him that some people don't have it done and that it's a decision usually made by parents in the US upon the birth of their child

no one shaped my mind about them...the first time i saw one i was completely grossed out by it and i would not be with a man sexually who was uncut because i think it's unattractive....just like i wouldn't have sex with a man who had any other trait i found unattractive

 

[EarnestImp]

nor will i have a son with a bunch of dirty, nasty, unattractive, and unnecessary skin bagging around his penis

Wow...... just....... wow..... I can foresee the possibility of this son developing a self-image problem and a complex about male anatomy.

It's nice to see the psedo-medical rationalization bullshit drop away and the true colors be revealed, isn't it? I still dislike her stance, but at least she has attained a modicum of honesty.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Well, the medical evidence is that unanesthetised circ causes long term (permanent?) neural changes and increases future response to subsequent painful stimuli. This may not be 'traumantized' as you say, but it is not necessarily good to screw with an infant's nervous system in this way. That's just the medical facts. Anyone who denies this is, well, a stupid fuck, for being unable to parse factual evidence.

I won't comment on the moron mother bit.

can you produce any circumcised men who have trauma issues over their parents decision to have them circumsized?

let's do a poll on circumsized men and find out just how traumatized they were by the event

 

[deathbypickle]

please get it done.
better now than when he can remember it

my son was 5 when he was done.

he still remembers his ouchie

 

[EarnestImp]

can you produce any circumcised men who have trauma issues over their parents decision to have them circumsized

Well, there are lots of men pissed off because they were circumcised - google for 'foreskin reconstruction' for example.

But that isn't my point, and you are being deliberately thick by changing the subject. My point is that unanesthetised circ is so painful that it induces long term neurological changes affecting pain response. I am not talking about conscious feelings of trauma, which is your red herring. I am talking about low level changes to the nervous system. This is what the science of the Taddio articles supports.

 

[bytor2112]

You are so full of shit. Circumcision is institutialized child abuse, nothing less.
I imagine you will be the kind of mother who will pump her child full of Chemicals at the first sign he doesn't fit into the standard educational development box also.

you sir are an ass sir for this statement alone..

damn you're dumb..

 

[EarnestImp]

please get it done.
better now than when he can remember it
my son was 5 when he was done.
he still remembers his ouchie

Yes, but there is a 95% chance that he WON'T have to have it done, EVER. The foreskin is a natural part of the anatomy, and it generally stays healthy. Are you people really this thick?

 

[bytor2112]

please get it done.
better now than when he can remember it

my son was 5 when he was done.

he still remembers his ouchie

then your son is a fucking pussy...

 

[Guest]

Yes, but there is a 95% chance that he WON'T have to have it done, EVER. The foreskin is a natural part of the anatomy, and it generally stays healthy. Are you people really this thick?

We're Americans. Sadly, I believe that will answer your question. *prepares to be bludgeoned now*

 

[bytor2112]

Well, there are lots of men pissed off because they were circumcised - google for 'foreskin reconstruction' for example.

But that isn't my point, and you are being deliberately thick by changing the subject. My point is that unanesthetised circ is so painful that it induces long term neurological changes affecting pain response. I am not talking about conscious feelings of trauma, which is your red herring. I am talking about low level changes to the nervous system. This is what the science of the Taddio articles supports.

science of taddio!! are you bullshitting us....

some people believe anything....

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Girlfriday, they will most likely want to do the procedure on the first day. They will probably ask you if you want him to be circumsized while they are asking you the long list of questions of what you want done with the baby, as you are in labor. After he is born, and you have had your time to bond together, they will take him to get the various tests and such done on him, and will probably perform the procedure then, if possible.

actually, it's in his birth plan to be done, i just hadn't decided when

maybe i should ask for a nerve block when the draw his blood for his newborn screening so he's not traumatized for life over the needle stick

 

[Guest]

science of taddio!! are you bullshitting us....

some people believe anything....

Oh look--another candidate for the ignore list. *click*

 

[deathbypickle]

Yes, but there is a 95% chance that he WON'T have to have it done, EVER. The foreskin is a natural part of the anatomy, and it generally stays healthy. Are you people really this thick?

yes and it is the reason i chose not to have him done

plus he will look like his dad.

i went with the look factor when it came to my son, he does isn't so neither was my son

i wanted to have it done after birth, but did not want my son growing up wondering why he is different form his dad.

needless to say, it had to be removed

IMO, if she wants to have him done to be like his dad, then there is nothing wrong with it.