circumcision...ugh

[thegirlfriday11]

Of course they do. The clitoral hood is not necessary, and labiaplasty is becoming a popular cosmetic procedure - ie, trimming back big flappy labia and leaving just thin lips behind.

So why not lop it off? Floppy labia are gross and ugly, and can lead to social and sexual rejection.

since i'm having a boy, it's not an issue

do you have kids? or do you just tell other people what they should do with theirs?

 

[Guest]

actually, it's in his birth plan to be done, i just hadn't decided when

maybe i should ask for a nerve block when the draw his blood for his newborn screening so he's not traumatized for life over the needle stick

I don't know... somehow it seems to me that a prick from a needle (no pun intended) would be much less painful than having skin cut off from around one's genitals. Do they anesthetize the baby before cutting? And if so, what happens after it wears off and the kid is still healing? Wouldn't it be horribly painful?

 

[gman23]

i'm 35 and i wouldn't date a man who was tacky in dress either

nor will i have a son with a bunch of dirty, nasty, skin bagging around his penis

You should have your brain removed. Talk about unattractive and unnecessary.

 

[Shylady]

I normally don't post in these types of threads, but ya know everyone keeps talking about all the pain these baby boys endure, and all links posted talk about the traditional 'cutting' but my son and my nephew were both done using a 'plastibell' type. There was no pain involved. A plastic ring was placed to cut off the blood flow to the foreskin and within a week it fell off. (Ok that sounds just nasty lol ) But the fact remains they didn't suffer pain and really it wasn't any more disgusting that the umbelical cord ( I know I didn't spell that right) drying up and falling off. They both lasted about the same length of time.

My husband and I didn't agonize over this decision, it's almost ingrained in us. Maybe there are reasons not to have it done, but there are just as many for it also.

I know someone will go google this method and post horror stories of it also. But then name one surgical procedure that you CAN'T do that with.

I had c-sections 3 times. The first time was because of fetal distress. The 2nd time I had the choice to try natural again. I (me, myself and I ) selfishly chose the c-section, becasue it hurt less than the labor I endured. So many people gasp and say I made the wrong decision and didn't bond with my baby in the minutes after birth (I was also put all the way under not just a saddle block) I say I have that baby's whole life to bond and I personally think that being the best mom I know how to be for the rest of that baby's life, will more than make up for those first few minutes.

I also lived in England when I a child. My dad was in the AF and while we were stationed there we were befriended by the english couple next door. The son was about the same age as my sister (about 6 or 7) and he had to be circumcised ( I was a kid I didn't know why then and still don't know) But I do remember the agony he went thru. Seems to me a bit of pain he would never have remembered would have been better than that.

 

[deathbypickle]

then your son is a fucking pussy...

ok lets take you to the hospital and remove you cock and see how you feel.

he was a scared 5 year old who had never been to the hospital before.

wait let me guess, you don't have kids do you??

 

[EarnestImp]

maybe i should ask for a nerve block when the draw his blood for his newborn screening so he's not traumatized for life over the needle stick

In Sweden, they actually use an anesthetic cream for this. They are really big on avoiding pain because it interferes with feeding, even the minor pain of needle sticks. But the pain of circ is on a different level. An adult does not need anesthesia for needle stick; he certainly does need it for circ. Could you please try to think rationally and honestly?

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Wow...... just....... wow..... I can foresee the possibility of this son developing a self-image problem and a complex about male anatomy.

This, to me, is just as horrifying as hearing a parent say, "I have to sew up my daughter's vagina and give her a clitorodectomy because her parts are nasty, dirty, unatrractive, and we can't have any unnecessary things gaping open."

What I'm getting at here is that if you feel that circumcision is right for your kid, one would hope it's because you have a better reason for doing it than what you've just described.

I feel sorry for your kid. I can't imagine growing up with a parent who feels that way about the natural anatomy of male children.

LMAO!!

i don't think my son and i will ever be discussing circumcision while he's young, and if and when we do, i will tell him what i think about it and that he can make a decision on how he feels about it just like i did

i've stated all my reasons for having it done as well as my personal opinion as to the appearance of one

my child will be just fine, healthy, and well-adjusted...i have quite a bit of experience in raising kids as well as treating them psychologically for issues

 

[Gord]

ok lets take you to the hospital and remove you cock and see how you feel.

he was a scared 5 year old who had never been to the hospital before.

wait let me guess, you don't have kids do you??

why did you wait till 5 - was it a medical necessity - ?

 

[thegirlfriday11]

please get it done.
better now than when he can remember it

my son was 5 when he was done.

he still remembers his ouchie

exactly...and someone else here mentioned they had it done as a teen

i think it's best to be done on the first or second day...and i'm leaning more toward the first day just so all the uncomfortable business is over with in one day so we can move on and bond

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Well, there are lots of men pissed off because they were circumcised - google for 'foreskin reconstruction' for example.

But that isn't my point, and you are being deliberately thick by changing the subject. My point is that unanesthetised circ is so painful that it induces long term neurological changes affecting pain response. I am not talking about conscious feelings of trauma, which is your red herring. I am talking about low level changes to the nervous system. This is what the science of the Taddio articles supports.

let's do a poll here at lit about circumcised men and whether they were traumatized or have issue with it

 

[EarnestImp]

I normally don't post in these types of threads, but ya know everyone keeps talking about all the pain these baby boys endure, and all links posted talk about the traditional 'cutting' but my son and my nephew were both done using a 'plastibell' type. There was no pain involved. A plastic ring was placed to cut off the blood flow to the foreskin and within a week it fell off..

Bullshit. One of the most painful parts of a circ is the peeling of the foreskin from the still attached glans (the so-called 'lysis' phase), which you have to do for a plastibell as well. Plus there is a certain amount of cutting involved to put the plastibell on.

You can look here for pictures and video of a plastibell circ:
http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/plastibell/

Sorry, but you obviously have no clue what you're talking about.

 

[deathbypickle]

why did you wait till 5 - was it a medical necessity - ?

the forskin decided not to grow with him

he had a few infections, but it needed to be removed.

the doc did a great job, but the aftermath was horrible

peeing hurt, bathing hurt. wearing clothes hurt, he was naked for a week.

missed about a month of school and didn't pee in school for 3 years.
i guess the kids teased him or something

 

[gman23]

No matter how you slice it. Performing an unneeded painful operation on someone without their consent is child abuse. Just because society says it's ok, doesn't mean it is. I just dont see how a person who supposedly loves their child could do this just because it is the accepted social norm. It was accepted to lynch Blacks at one time and to burn so called witches also.

 

[deathbypickle]

exactly...and someone else here mentioned they had it done as a teen

i think it's best to be done on the first or second day...and i'm leaning more toward the first day just so all the uncomfortable business is over with in one day so we can move on and bond

stick to your guns,
don't let anyone sway you to what you already have decided.

good luck

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Well, there are lots of men pissed off because they were circumcised - google for 'foreskin reconstruction' for example.

But that isn't my point, and you are being deliberately thick by changing the subject. My point is that unanesthetised circ is so painful that it induces long term neurological changes affecting pain response. I am not talking about conscious feelings of trauma, which is your red herring. I am talking about low level changes to the nervous system. This is what the science of the Taddio articles supports.

find me 10 men who have long-term neurological damage from circumcision

because i know at least 100 circumsized men who have no problems neurologically or otherwise

 

[gman23]

LMAO!!


my child will be just fine, healthy, and well-adjusted...i have quite a bit of experience in raising kids as well as treating them psychologically for issues

With you for a mother, I am sure he will have many issues.

 

[deathbypickle]

No matter how you slice it. Performing an unneeded painful operation on someone without their consent is child abuse. Just because society says it's ok, doesn't mean it is. I just dont see how a person who supposedly loves their child could do this just because it is the accepted social norm. It was accepted to lynch Blacks at one time and to burn so called witches also.

gman, get over it
it is her choice.

i didn't want to have my kid done, but i had too.

i cried with him and was there to console him.

if i knew it would have to come off at age 5 i would of had it done at day one.

it killed me to see him in pain

 

[Shylady]

Bullshit. One of the most painful parts of a circ is the peeling of the foreskin from the still attached glans (the so-called 'lysis' phase), which you have to do for a plastibell as well. Plus there is a certain amount of cutting involved to put the plastibell on.

You can look here for pictures and video of a plastibell circ:
http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/plastibell/

Sorry, but you obviously have no clue what you're talking about.

See knew someone would google this for horror stories.

 

[bytor2112]

ok lets take you to the hospital and remove you cock and see how you feel.

he was a scared 5 year old who had never been to the hospital before.

wait let me guess, you don't have kids do you??

remove his cock??? they took his whole cock???

no wonder he's fucked up..

 

[bytor2112]

No matter how you slice it. Performing an unneeded painful operation on someone without their consent is child abuse. Just because society says it's ok, doesn't mean it is. I just dont see how a person who supposedly loves their child could do this just because it is the accepted social norm. It was accepted to lynch Blacks at one time and to burn so called witches also.

every post you make further deepens the stupid pit you have fallen into...

damn you are dumb..

 

[gman23]

gman, get over it
it is her choice.

i didn't want to have my kid done, but i had too.

i cried with him and was there to console him.

if i knew it would have to come off at age 5 i would of had it done at day one.

it killed me to see him in pain

Child abuse makes me angry. I imagine yours was a medical thing so I am not
speaking of you.

 

[deathbypickle]

remove his cock??? they took his whole cock???

no wonder he's fucked up..

no remove YOUR COCK, put your glasses on and read it correctly

 

[thegirlfriday11]

I don't know... somehow it seems to me that a prick from a needle (no pun intended) would be much less painful than having skin cut off from around one's genitals. Do they anesthetize the baby before cutting? And if so, what happens after it wears off and the kid is still healing? Wouldn't it be horribly painful?

yes, they use a local anesthetic, which is injected, to numb his penis before they cut the skin away

i'm sure it's uncomfortable, but so are a lot of things in life that people get over and quickly forget....like giving birth, breaking a bone, recovering from surgery, etc

 

[deathbypickle]

Child abuse makes me angry. I imagine yours was a medical thing so I am not
speaking of you.

i understand that,
but i had the choice to have it done at the hospital too and i wanted to have it done.

but for cosmetic reason i chose not too

i wanted him to look like his dad.

 

[gman23]

no remove YOUR COCK, put your glasses on and read it correctly

He would need glasses to find it. I hear he has a lovely Mangina though.