circumcision...ugh

[John Doe]

omg!! you killed me with this


that is so true

No it isn't. If you think it is then maybe you need to set your standards a little higher the next time around.

 

[John Doe]

We don't require a child's permission to do ANYTHING that we deem medically necessary.

If I had asked my children's permission before having them vaccinated, do you think they would have agreed?

You're making completely illogical arguments to attempt to explain your stance. Why don't you just admit that the thought of a scalpel anywhere near Jr's penis scares the hell out of you?

As well it should. Wouldn't the thought of a scalpel near your daughter's gentials scare you? And yes it is the same, otherwise it's sexism, pure and simple.

And it should scare anyone, because it's NOT medically necessary, period. So of course your argument/connection between a removal of a body part and a prick from a needle is just as illogical and exaggerated.

 

[John Doe]

Shave? Are you kidding? Cut off what God gave us? That would be obscene! I am going to start a campaign to ban shaving of any kind. Just say no to razors! What is the cultural obsession people have with removing hair. It is there for a purpose. Other cultures don't do that. It is some puritanical thing, probably related to religious mis-conceptions. Taking children to the barber is child abuse! Have you ever seen a poor child on his first trip to the barber? It is traumatic! They cry, they scream, they beg, they have to be restrained. Books have been written to try to calm children's fears of this awful event, but still it is one of the most awful days in their young lives, as their own mother surrenders them to this guy in a white coat (the predecessors to the surgeons that remove foreskins, by golly - keep that in mind).

I tell you it is disgusting what mothers will do to their children, purely in the name of fashion. Oh, yeah, they'll make some lame excuse about needing to keep their children's hair short for hygenic purposes, but heck, just teach them how to wash! No scientific study has shown any significant benefit from getting your hair cut.

Did you know that barbers can spread disease? It's true! Shocking, I know, but those are the facts.

Where will it end?

Exactly, because getting circumcised is just like a haircut, it doesn't hurt and it'll grow back eventually, right?

Oh wait, yes it does and no it won't.

 

[Freya]

As well it should. Wouldn't the thought of a scalpel near your daughter's gentials scare you? And yes it is the same, otherwise it's sexism, pure and simple.

And it should scare anyone, because it's NOT medically necessary, period. So of course your argument/connection between a removal of a body part and a prick from a needle is just as illogical and exaggerated.

Many would argue that vaccination isn't medically necessary either.

 

[John Doe]

Many would argue that vaccination isn't medically necessary either.

No, not many. Slightly more than who are vegan, or who beleive that the earth is flat, or that the moon landing was a hoax. On the vaccination topic the American Pediatric Association says they're wrong too.

 

[Freya]

No, not many. Slightly more than who are vegan, or who beleive that the earth is flat, or that the moon landing was a hoax. On the vaccination topic the American Pediatric Association says they're wrong too.

Actually, the numbers are increasing all the time. Especially once people learn what's in the vaccine doctors are injecting into their children.

 

[-deezle-]

an uncut penis is unhealthy and unattractive

when did it become unhealthy and why do you care if your son's penis is 'attractive'? and on the flip side, why the hell is her son's cock so important to everybody else who's trying to tell her she's bad for doing it?

I just don't understand the whole argument that must start everytime someone brings this subject up.

I mean, where I'm from, we just tell people good luck, congratulations and we say a little prayer for them and the baby that everything goes well.

We don't get into arguments about circumcision [smh.]

 

[Imi]

Could I ask? Why did you start this thread? What were you hoping to gain by letting everyone here know about your decision about your son?

 

[-deezle-]

and for those who are still saying that it's a medical necessity and keeps infection and disease away, I don't bring out links or books, but I do say, the rest of the world really doesn't have as big a preoccupation with cocks as we do, as far as circumcision goes and I think the guys in the UK are doing just fine [ask some of them, they post here.]

It's not medically necessary for a healthy life and a guy who is uncut can be just as clean [sometimes cleaner] than a guy who is circumcised.

It depends on hygiene, not on extra skin.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

either somebody missed me or somebody needs to get a life

my son's getting circumcised and that 's that

if somebody here wants to make a circumcision decision...have a kid and decide all you want to

...or go ahead and argue the issue endlessly if you've got nothing better to do for all i care

 

[John Doe]

Actually, the numbers are increasing all the time.

So? The numbers of people who think HIV doesn't cause AIDS is increasing all the time I'm sure. They're still idiots. For that matter, the Earth's population is increasing all the time. Moreover, Greenland is moving north at a rate of about an inch a year. So what?

Especially once people learn what's in the vaccine doctors are injecting into their children.

*gasp* you mean they inject germs into people on PURPOSE?

How do you think your immune system develops its immunity to the disease in the first place, magic?

And anyway, as I said it's a specious comparison becasue vaccines are a proven preventative measure that most doctors agree on. Circumcision is not. Even in the most generous of studies, the margin by which the risk of related diseases is reduced by the procedure is quite thin. And less than that, BTW, of the risk of complications of equal or greater severity, up to amputation of the penis, or even death in rare cases.

 

[Freya]

So? The numbers of people who think HIV doesn't cause AIDS is increasing all the time I'm sure. They're still idiots. For that matter, the Earth's population is increasing all the time. Moreover, Greenland is moving north at a rate of about an inch a year. So what?



*gasp* you mean they inject germs into people on PURPOSE?

Actually, I was referring to the formaldehyde.

And maybe the idiots are those who follow their doctor's advice blindly without ever once researching to see if there's a better option.

 

[John Doe]

double post

 

[John Doe]

Actually, I was referring to the formaldehyde.

I would've thought you'd be more concerned with the mercury.

And maybe the idiots are those who follow their doctor's advice blindly without ever once researching to see if there's a better option.

You mean like bathing regularly? Generally a good idea either way.

So anyway, if you agreed with me in the first place then why the big hoopla? But it's moot, since she hasn't asked ANY doctors obviously. Even ones who would recommend circumcision, as she is quite clearly prejudiced against it for personal reasons and not valid medical reasons. She simply thinks she knows better than everyone else about a procedure that's centuries old merely because she has more DNA in common with the patient than most others do.

 

[Freya]

I would've thought you'd be more concerned with the mercury.



You mean like bathing regularly? Generally a good idea either way.

So anyway, if you agreed with me in the first place then why the big hoopla? But it's moot, since she hasn't asked ANY doctors obviously. Even ones who would recommend circumcision, as she is quite clearly prejudiced against it for personal reasons and not valid medical reasons. She simply thinks she knows better than everyone else about a procedure that's centuries old merely because she has more DNA in common with the patient than most others do.

I don't agree with you.

 

[John Doe]

I don't agree with you.

You just said she should seek a second opinion. I told her that last week.

 

[TumbledLove]

about as alive as your foreskin

Hester, you can always make me laugh.

 

[John Doe]

I'm still wating for a goo time to insert the word 'schmutz' into the debate.

If that's even the right word, I'm not sure...

dammit, where's a Jew when you need one?

 

[Freya]

You just said she should seek a second opinion. I told her that last week.

I never said that at all. I was talking about people who preach the safety and necessity of vaccinations without having the full facts at their disposal.

If she was seeking medical advice on whether circumcision was necessary, then yes, she should be educated fully. However, she's making a personal choice based on her own knowledge and opinions and feelings on the matter, so I'd imagine she could see 43 doctors and still proceed as she's chosen to.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

I would've thought you'd be more concerned with the mercury.



You mean like bathing regularly? Generally a good idea either way.

So anyway, if you agreed with me in the first place then why the big hoopla? But it's moot, since she hasn't asked ANY doctors obviously. Even ones who would recommend circumcision, as she is quite clearly prejudiced against it for personal reasons and not valid medical reasons. She simply thinks she knows better than everyone else about a procedure that's centuries old merely because she has more DNA in common with the patient than most others do.

lmao...you know what they say about people who make assumptions and who haven't paid attention to previous posts...

i talked to a doctor and made my decision long before this thread was ever started and i have stated several times that the only thing i hadn't decided on was whether to have it on the first or second day

 

[TumbledLove]

I think, for her, it's more about personal convenience..

..i'm not going to be chasing down my 5-10 year old boy to make sure his dick is clean..

she's much too busy to be bothered with actually taking care of her son. I hope he learns how to brush his teeth by himself. Wouldn't want to bother mommy with that sort of thing.

 

[John Doe]

I never said that at all. I was talking about people who preach the safety and necessity of vaccinations without having the full facts at their disposal.

Oh, you mean the vast majority of the medical community? Yeah, what do they know about practicing medicine anyway? Hacks.

If she was seeking medical advice on whether circumcision was necessary, then yes, she should be educated fully. However, she's making a personal choice based on her own knowledge and opinions and feelings on the matter, so I'd imagine she could see 43 doctors and still proceed as she's chosen to.

I agree, which tells me she's doing it for the wrong reasons, because clearly SHE has a problem with foreskin, not because she thinks her son might sometime down the road. If he did he could choose for himself to have it removed. This is why I oppose irreversible elective procedures in general for the most part.

 

[John Doe]

lmao...you know what they say about people who make assumptions

That they enjoy having thier sons irreparably surgically altered for no good reason? No I didn't know they say that, but I can see how it's germaine.

and who haven't paid attention to previous posts...

That they're the vast majority of litsters including yourself?

i talked to a doctor

By talking I mean consulting, which implies actually listening to what they have to say.

But for the hell of it let's say you did. So what? Ooh, you consulted A doctor, wow! *swoon*

x infinity

and made my decision long before this thread was ever started and i have stated several times that the only thing i hadn't decided on was whether to have it on the first or second day

Okay, so why the thread? Looking for external validation to alleviate your guilt, or are you even having second thoughts? If you have already made his decision and you don't care what anyone else thinks, why bring it up?

 

[Freya]

Oh, you mean the vast majority of the medical community? Yeah, what do they know about practicing medicine anyway? Hacks.

The vast majority of the medical community refuses to look at new ways to treat old problems. They also are going to be the last to admit that something they've been doing religiously for years mightn't be the healthiest choice. And frannkly, not all of them are informed themselves of what the medicine they're prescribing contains.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Okay, so why the thread? Looking for external validation to alleviate your guilt, or are you even having second thoughts? If you have already made his decision and you don't care what anyone else thinks, why bring it up?

i made it because there was another thread going on at the time... i don't remember what it was about..not circumcision though...that reminded me that i needed to decide when i would have it done, and basically, i was thinking out loud