Circumcision: mindless butchery?

[Cheyenne]

It's a cultural thing, with no right or wrong answer. But being from the USA, I'd say I agree with Tiggs. We are more used to cut cocks, and uncut seem ugly somehow. Uncut has the inference of being less than clean, even if that may not be true. But it is just a personal preference in the end.

 

[BeautyBabe]

Originally posted by MADDOG:
I'm cut, and I'm pretty happy with it. I don't remember a thing about it and anyone who says they do either has a VERY good memory or a vivid imagination.

Personly, I think they look better, feel better (I'm only talking about my own penis here. I've never felt another mans penis!), and are a hell of a lot easier to take care of.

Okay, MADDOG, so if you don't remember anything about it (and presumably before it), and you've never felt another man's penis, how do you know
it feels better cut than it would uncut?

The norm in the UK is uncut and maybe I just prefer that because that's what I'm used to seeing, but think of it this way...you must have them in the first place for a reason!

 

[Guest]

I live in Europe and was absolutely shocked & disgusted to hear that the majority of men in the U.S.A. are circumcised at birth for non-religious reasons. What is the point in this? Medical reasons
hardly stand-up; I mean virtually no-one here has it done and our dicks are'n't falling off or anything.
Foreskin is pleasurable for man & woman as it makes intercourse much smoother.
Foreskin is actually stuck to your dick until after the onset of puberty so removing it is surely bad for your development.
If I leave my foreskin back, the head of my cock goes all dry & horrible. I'd like to hear from people who've had the mutilation done and how they feel about it.
I remember the first time some of my foreskin slipped back. I nearly had a heart attack, I thought something was wrong. Later when I was like 13 or 14 when I found out it was fully retractable I felt really good, like I had come of age, mature. This was a joy. What d'yall think?

 

[Guest]

Personally I think uncircumsized dicks are ugly. I've been with men who were and weren't cut. I've never noticed a "better" sensation from the ones who were left uncut.

~Linds

 

[MADDOG]

I'm cut, and I'm pretty happy with it. I don't remember a thing about it and anyone who says they do either has a VERY good memory or a vivid imagination.

Personly, I think they look better, feel better (I'm only talking about my own penis here. I've never felt another mans penis!), and are a hell of a lot easier to take care of. no pulling back of foreskins to clean it or get laid, no mould growing under it and no skin getting caught in zippers.

As for the word mutilation - that is an egageration if I've ever heard one! It's not like they put it in a mincer! I'd rather be cut than uncut any day, and if I still had my foreskin, I'd get it done of my own accord.

(BTW. When you say your foreskin is retractable, it sounds like your cock is an areoplane and it's forskin the undercarriage)

MADDOG

 

[Skitten]

I don't know about people in Europe but I know that my hubby and I both agreed to have our son circumcized when he was born. I think that it is heathier for a man who is circumcized for cleaniness as well as for other reasons. I have never been with anyone who has not been circumcized. I am sure there are some differences in the arrousal for women also. I do not think it is mutulation I just think it is more common here in america because of the medical advice as well as that is just the common thing to do not saying you are wrong just think certain parts of the world consider this as a could be problem so why risk an infection when there doesn't need to be. At least when we got advice from doctors they advised that having our son circumsized would be better for him later in life.

 

[A Stone's Throw]

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[A Stone's Throw]

oh yeah...

one more con of the turkey-neck: SMEGMA

'nuff said.

 

[MunchinMark]

The only reason that I can think of for circumcision is for the prevention of infection (especially in hot, sandy countries). In fact, look where the religions that practice this come from and you will see that. But that's not a wonderful reason in the US. And if you just cut off everything that you didn't need to suvive that might give you cancer in later life, it would not be a pretty sight.

But what really gets me is that this is done to infants. Give the kid the choice.

And the solution to smegma etc.- washing.

 

[ShyGuy68]

I too have to give my opinion in here.

As to "pulling back the foreskins to clean it or get laid, no mould growing under it no skin getting caught in zippers." Well if you are good with your hygiene and take care, it won't happen. I have never had any problems at all.

All it comes down to here is if you are good enough to take care of your own hygiene. It's not like you have to be circumcised as a kid, you can always have it done, but it's a bit hard to go the other way.


ShyGuy

 

[Jenne64]

Well having spent 6 years living with a man that is cut and then 12 years with one that isn't I can state with some confidence that there ain't no difference as far as the sexual side of it goes.
The first one was cut for medical reasons when he was in his teens by the way.

Like most things when it comes to cocks and sex the differences are in the mind of either the reciever or the recievee. If your used too an uncut cock seeing one swaved in its shield can seem a bit wierd and visa versa.

My personal feelings are that if nature had intended it to be unsheathed then it would have evolved that way. Just my opinion.
Either way wether your cut or uncut use it wisely -))
regards,
Jenne

 

[Wizard]

Well time for my 2 cents worth also.
I am "cut" don't care for that word much and as BeautyBabe said in her post our culture here in the US most ladys think uncut is gross...Not that it is but what your used to and I have heard girls say they didn't know what to do with an uncut one.
I don't think that anymore it is a clean or unclean thing , I have read and heard that the guys that are uncut are every bit as clean as the cut guys are. I think it boils down to culture differentes.

Remember in some places the ladys do not shave under there arms , I don't care for it myself but I respect that they are from a diffrent culture than I.

 

[Whispersecret]

Originally medical reasons were why it became common practice, but now, I think people do it because it's the norm in the U.S. My husband and I decided on circumsizing our sons because we thought they might feel weird if they looked different that Daddy did.

I don't think infection is a problem if you keep yourself clean, like ShyGuy.

I like the look of an uncut penis. There's something earthy, primal, and secretive about them. However, I like the look of bald ones as well.

 

[Earthgoddess]

My son is circumcised only because my idiotic brute of an ex-husband insisted that he match-Dad was cut so"the boy" needed to be also. Therefore I insisted he be in the room during the procedure. I had seen all the Bradley method videos and was working as a doula when I had my son-4 and 1/2 years ago. I thought then that it was barbaric and unnecessary as we had no religious requirement. I respect the faiths that recommend it,but I saw no need. The medical necessity has diminished and it has only become common practice in the last 50-60 years. I helped care for some Jewish babies after their bris'-and I have to say that having a moyel do the job did seem more natural.
After talking to the doctor who was performing my son's cutting,she recommended a smaller trimming-my little boy had very small amount of foreskin removed and his penis has a nice natural look...Sort of the best of both worlds. My ex did apologize afterwards-as he dressed the wounds and held our screaming newborn. My son is being raised pagan so very few of his friends are cut-and the un-cut numbers are rising.
I can not feel comfortable with a standard and now medically unnecessary procedure.
In fact, I am sure you can examine the female circumcisions performed in other parts of the world and find some validity in them also...We find them barbaric because they are mutilations often performed without drugs or proper hygiene...What if they were routine,done in sterile hospitals,right after the birth...What if we said that by removing this we cut down on promiscuity and the number of sexual partners-that will reduce the transmission of innumeral STDs so that makes it medically sound...Sorry to rant,sore spot from last marriage...On the lighter side,I had braces-big metal spiky ones-and soon after the birth of my son was attemting to appease my ex with some oral attention. Unfortunately, the dog(90 pounds of stupid) jumped onto the waterbed at a crucial moment and I re-circumsized my ex...He still believes I did it on purpose,I was picking penile tissue out of my braces for hours...he should have gotten stitches but refused to go, so he is slightly scarred.
My current spouse and I would never circumsize if we had a son. Despite the fact that he is cut-he feels no pressing need to have matching penises. He feels father /son tee shirts are enough.

 

[Skibum]

I was cut as an infant, but I decided that my sons were not going to be. I do not have any recollection of pain, but you can't tell me it doesn't hurt. I had no desire to have unneccessary surgery performed on my kids.

 

[Cyra_3]

I have never seen a cut penis in real life so I don't know which I prefer but if any of the gentlemen out there would like to enlighten me...

 

[Rusher]

I willingly offer my uncut penis for scientific research if anyone wishes to study it in its natural habitat.

I will just say that I like my foreskin and it increases my arousal during sex and masturbation because it slides back and forth over the head. It also helps keep the head lubricated and prevents chafing (for those marathon sessions).

The first woman I ever had a sexual relationship with was shocked the first time she saw it, but she came to love it (no pun intended).

Also, my mom told me that the doctor tried to circumsize me when I was 3 days old, but I karate-kicked the scalpel out of his hand, so he gave up.

And one last thing. A circumsized penis makes for a perfect last-minute gift for your spouse. Just pull the skin up, tie a bow around it, and you have a gift she'll just love unwrapping.

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[Svedish_Chef]

Originally posted by MADDOG:
I'm cut, and I'm pretty happy with it. I don't remember a thing about it and anyone who says they do either has a VERY good memory or a vivid imagination.

Personly, I think they look better, feel better (I'm only talking about my own penis here. I've never felt another mans penis!), and are a hell of a lot easier to take care of. I'd rather be cut than uncut any day, and if I still had my foreskin, I'd get it done of my own accord.

Agreed buddy, must be an aussie thing... Nikki what do you think?

Da chef

 

[Svedish_Chef]

Oh cyra ... forgot, you are still a virgin!

Come over here my dear and have a look... remember 6 posts to go!

da Chef

 

[Cyra_3]

Chef,

I can think of no better way to lose it

 

[MunchinMark]

Female circumsision was practised in the misogynistic atmosphere of 19th century England, in what was at the time the finest medical conditions availabe. But we've got past that.
Incidently, I've heard that during the second world war, the US army's most common medical procedure was circumcision for the very reasons I mentioned earlier. I wonder, could the "Dad had it done, so Junior will too" thing actually be a result. Anyone on the board have any data on circumcision rates in early 20th century America?

 

[Weird Harold]

I don't have any hard data, but have seen the occasional news sound bite or mention in an article that refers to the 'belief in the forties and fifties that it improved hygene' was the reason there was so many 'unecessary medical procedures' (i.e. circumcisions) done.

I'm one of those baby boomers who had it done as a routine thing done to all male infants. In 1949, it was apparently done unless the parents expressly forbid it, rather than done at the parent's request. At least that's the impression I got from my parents.

I grew up with the impression that it was part of being born male, sort of cut the umbilical and trim the foreskin, then clean him up and let the mother see him.

I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only 'boomer' that grew up with that impression of circumcision. It's not so much a question for most of us of 'matching Dad', as it is 'why are you asking me if you should? Isn't that part of cleaning him up after birth?"

Luckily, we boomers are usually smart enough to catch on that medical theories have evolved over the years, and realize it's no longer considered necessary. I've heard that HMOs and such are questioning the cost and necessity of covering the cost, so the circumsion rate is going down and should be back to pre-WWI levels before long.

 

[Earthgoddess]

Actually Mark female circumcision is still performed in many Islamic cultures. It is still common practice in the Sudan and in Senegal, it is common enough in immigrants from countries where it is practiced that there is a bill being introduced here in America to stop it. For more information on this issue check out:
http:www.eskimo.com/~gburlin/circ.html
On the WW2 issue I checked with my grandmother who happened to be a nurse in the USArmy during WW2 and she confirmed that most of the soldiers in her care were not circumsized. In fact many nurses in her unit said you could tell if a boy was city or country, with a quick look below. Meaning often country births were only attended by a midwife so the boys were left uncircumsized.
Only for a thread on Literotica would I have discussed this with my grandmother...I need to go bleach my brain of the image of my grandmother peeking at penises to determine the owners' area of origin. Especially since I now know that my late grandfather was cut,and wished he hadn't been since he was the only city boy in the family..blurgh.

 

[MunchinMark]

Wonderful image of you discussing that with your Grandmother, Earthgodess. It's great that people are actually going out to find out things here.

I did actually know about the modern practice of the female operation, I actually meant that we as English culture are past it. Thanks for mentioning it though, interesting link too.

 

[Nicole]

Originally posted by Svedish_Chef:
Agreed buddy, must be an aussie thing... Nikki what do you think?

Da chef

Umm.... Chef I do hope you are only asking me as a fellow Aussie.

But I look at it like this :- If it works then I'm happy.

But having said that I will admit that I did NOT get my Four year old Cut at birth. Couldn't bear to think of him in any sort of pain (and you cannot tell me it wouldn't hurt). Geesh I cried when he got his first Injection for God's sake. Then there was the first time he hit his head, the first time he fell, the first day at Kindergarten, when he tells me he loves me.... Sorry memories get me everytime

I must also admit while I'm here that I'm really not one for looking at cock's either, Pictures or real life, just doesn't do much for me. I am the type that would rather look in your eyes than down at your Cock.

Gee I am letting you know alot about myself arn't I??

I do have this one picture (Thank-you to his wife) and well All I can say to that is Yummmmmmmmmmmmmy

Okay I'm going now *Walking out of room removing foot from mouth*