Circumcision....discuss?

[TheOlderGuy]

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=331664

just in case you want to follow some of the unbelievably ignorant rationalization for mutilation that is going on.

 

[hislove66]

TumbledLove

Just wanted to say, that after looking at the links you posted, I can't understand how anyone would consider having their kid undergo this unnecessary surgery.

http://www.circumstitions.com/Restric/Botched4ga.html

There is a lot of interesting and shocking information on that site. Why would any parent take such a risk?? I don't understand...

 

[smy3th]

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[smy3th]

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[TumbledLove]

I really never missed my foreskin. In fact, to show how little I missed it, I didn't even realize I was circumcised until I was about 22...

I was basically the exact same way. I had always thought that my scar was simply an indication of how big my penis was when I was born. and then as I grew up, it went up the shaft, because my penis got bigger. kinda like a stretch mark. and when I went to school, the boys in gym class NEVER took showers together. So I almost never saw anybody else's dick to compare mine to.

So, yeah, in my early twenties, it occured to me what the significance of the scar was. It wasn't a big deal at first, ya know.. so I'm missing a little skin. so what? I liked how my dick looked, and my girlfriend loved sucking on it. But as time went on, I've definitely become resentful about it. I can't believe my parents, let alone society, would allow that to happen.

Last I checked, upwards of 80% of the boys get cut in the midwest U.S (where I live).

Who can I sue? My parents? The doctor who did it? The hospital? Ha! I'd like to see that go to court.

 

[FrenziedMaiden]

I was basically the exact same way. I had always thought that my scar was simply an indication of how big my penis was when I was born. and then as I grew up, it went up the shaft, because my penis got bigger. kinda like a stretch mark. and when I went to school, the boys in gym class NEVER took showers together. So I almost never saw anybody else's dick to compare mine to.

So, yeah, in my early twenties, it occured to me what the significance of the scar was. It wasn't a big deal at first, ya know.. so I'm missing a little skin. so what? I liked how my dick looked, and my girlfriend loved sucking on it. But as time went on, I've definitely become resentful about it. I can't believe my parents, let alone society, would allow that to happen.

Last I checked, upwards of 80% of the boys get cut in the midwest U.S (where I live).

Who can I sue? My parents? The doctor who did it? The hospital? Ha! I'd like to see that go to court.

That's it sue them! Sue all the bastards! Your parents are scum, you should demand that they search for that foreskin and superglue it back on for you!

 

[breakwall]

But as time went on, I've definitely become resentful about it. I can't believe my parents, let alone society, would allow that to happen.

Who can I sue? My parents? The doctor who did it? The hospital? Ha! I'd like to see that go to court.

Wow, do YOU need a hobby.

You have a circumcised cock. That little bit of skin? It's gone. Forever.

You wanna make money off of it, try gay porn.

 

[hislove66]

Because those horror stories are freaks. You can find freak stories about anything. Anecdotal evidence is not good science. It's a load of rubbish used to trick the unwary. They make it sound like these sorts of things are significant risks. They aren't.

And your pics are really hot, in case enough people hadn't already told you that. Wow!!! What a body!

Thanks Smy3th


The thing is, even if there is just ONE complication in a million cases, that is exactly one too many, because we're talking of unnecessary surgery here (that's done without the kids' consent).

Even if there are no serious complications - even if we are "only" talking about scarring and skin bridges - still bad enough to NOT do it or consider it.

You risk absolutely NOTHING by not having it done. Not in the 21st century, with today's hygiene habits. It may have made sense 3000 years ago, when people did not shower every day...just like the rules about not eating pork made sense back then (hygienic and health reasons). They don't make sense anymore.

The question whether women prefer a cut a uncut cock, shouldn't even play the TINIEST part here. I am sure most women here would scream in indignation, if men suddenly claimed they only want to have sex with a woman with surgically reduced labia because natural looking labia are "gross". (And with the growing number of labioplastic surgeries, I can even see that coming....just give it some time......)

 

[breakwall]

The thing is, even if there is just ONE complication in a million cases, that is exactly one too many

I hate arguments that start this way.

Where would we be with that kind of thinking? Nazis would own the moon. Russians would be strutting around your living room, shoving borscht down your floppy penis'd kid's throat. Homosexuals would be married and living happy, normal lives in surburbia.

It would be chaos.

 

[TumbledLove]

The question whether women prefer a cut a uncut cock, shouldn't even play the TINIEST part here.

yep, women should get no say in the matter whatsoever (even the mothers). The one exception is if the baby has a some serious problem that threatens his life.

 

[breakwall]

yep, women should get no say in the matter whatsoever (even the mothers). The one exception is if the baby has a some serious problem that threatens his life.

I completely agree with this statement.

It should be the FATHER'S decision. After all, he's an experienced owner/operator.

 

[FrenziedMaiden]

yep, women should get no say in the matter whatsoever (even the mothers). The one exception is if the baby has a some serious problem that threatens his life.

You have a serious problem and I beleive that your brain is in need of circumcision.

 

[TumbledLove]

I've never liked buzz cuts, but you're right, it would probably help. In the meantime, I'll just blame my "problem" on the fact that I was circumcised.

 

[hislove66]

I just don't see any reason to do it. Why even take the tiniest risk of something going wrong for a procedure that isn't necessary??

There are still babies dieing afterwards by the way. What if it was yours? To those militant pro-circ women here, have you ever tried to put yourselves into the shoes of those parents whose child had an infection after the "procedure" (what an euphemism), fell into coma and is now blind and severely brain-damaged? All because of an UNNECESSARY surgery. That was done because everyone does it? Great reason to ruin a perfectly healthy kid's life.

(I'll probably be told that I'm in need of a brain circumcision too...And these things didn't really happen I suppose.)

 

[TumbledLove]

To those militant pro-circ women here, have you ever tried to put yourselves into the shoes of those parents whose child had an infection after the "procedure" (what an euphemism), fell into coma and is now blind and severely brain-damaged?

You know, I'm have just enough vengence in me, that I would actually like that to happen a lot more often (sorry to all the babies out there). Like that one story about the boy who had his dick cut off while getting cut, and he was raised as a girl, and eventually killed himself after a horrible life. Maybe if enough mistakes happened, and enough parents had to live with their mistake, then things would change.

 

[hislove66]

You know, I'm have just enough vengence in me, that I would actually like that to happen a lot more often (sorry to all the babies out there). Like that one story about the boy who had his dick cut off while getting cut, and he was raised as a girl, and eventually killed himself after a horrible life. Maybe if enough mistakes happened, and enough parents had to live with their mistake, then things would change.

I didn't mention that story (David Reimer was his name) because it happened in the 60s, but it truly IS heartbreaking. I saw a TV documentary about him and his brother the other day.

The doctor who tried to convince him that he could be a girl (after another doctor had cut off his penis) reminded me of Dr. Mengele.

 

[TumbledLove]

I didn't mention that story (David Reimer was his name) because it happened in the 60s, but it truly IS heartbreaking. I saw a TV documentary about him and his brother the other day.

The doctor who tried to convince him that he could be a girl (after another doctor had cut off his penis) reminded me of Dr. Mengele.

yeah, I hope that the people involved (parents/doctors/etc) were racked with guilt for the rest of their lives. of course, that might require a conscious.

 

[rakastuja]

I had always thought that my scar was simply an indication of how big my penis was when I was born. and then as I grew up, it went up the shaft, because my penis got bigger. kinda like a stretch mark. and when I went to school, the boys in gym class NEVER took showers together. So I almost never saw anybody else's dick to compare mine to.

Sorry... but didnt you have human biology in elementary school?

I mean I had seen pictures (usually drawn in those encyclopedias) of genitals before I went to elementary school already... I dont quite understand that someone just didnt realize humans naturally have a foreskin until that late.

It should be the FATHER'S decision. After all, he's an experienced owner/operator.

I think ideally it should be child's decision. His body - his decision.

 

[kamalw1]

Sorry... but didnt you have human biology in elementary school?

I mean I had seen pictures (usually drawn in those encyclopedias) of genitals before I went to elementary school already... I dont quite understand that someone just didnt realize humans naturally have a foreskin until that late.



I think ideally it should be child's decision. His body - his decision.

Well, I don't know how things are where you are from, but most of the pictures I have seen of penises in America, even in biology books, for some reason show circumcised ones.

 

[TumbledLove]

Sorry... but didnt you have human biology in elementary school?

I guess it wasn't something that I thought about. and circumcision was never discussed in school, or by my friends. If I was aware of it, then I must have thought it was such a tiny insignificant snip, that it didn't really matter. But my opinion has completely changed, once I became aware of just how much skin (up to 15 square inches) that I'm missing. Plus, my cockhead tends to get dry and itchy. maybe from being exposed and rubbing against clothing.

kamalw1: That's an excellent point.

 

[Hester]

I guess it wasn't something that I thought about. and circumcision was never discussed in school, or by my friends. If I was aware of it, then I must have thought it was such a tiny insignificant snip, that it didn't really matter. But my opinion has completely changed, once I became aware of just how much skin (up to 15 square inches) that I'm missing. Plus, my cockhead tends to get dry and itchy. maybe from being exposed and rubbing against clothing.

where are you getting this 15 square inches figure from? maybe from some cultish bush tribe where they stretch the foreskin before removal, but not in a reasonably average adult, and no way in a baby.

 

[TumbledLove]

where are you getting this 15 square inches figure from? maybe from some cultish bush tribe where they stretch the foreskin before removal, but not in a reasonably average adult, and no way in a baby.

http://www.noharmm.org/snip.htm
http://www.webmagician.com/pubservice/circ_effects.html

Lost along with these 15 square inches of foreskin are 24-40,000 nerve endings as well as important protective, immunological, and sexual functions.

http://www.newtimes.org/issue/0110/cat.htm

 

[TumbledLove]

edit: nevermind, the pic won't post.

But look at a 3x5 inch notecard. that's how much skin we're talking about.

 

[Hester]

http://www.noharmm.org/snip.htm
http://www.webmagician.com/pubservice/circ_effects.html

http://www.newtimes.org/issue/0110/cat.htm

this is a discussion about circumcision of a 1 or 2 day old infant, not an adult

the 15 sq in figure was not backed up by any citations, let alone reputable ones. the pages you gave have obvious agendas, which is fine, but please don't try to pass off those opinions as fact.

 

[TumbledLove]

wow, I don't know how to provide facts to someone without common sense.

The circumference of the average penis is around 5-6 inches. and foreskin usually covers the entire end of the penis. (the head is about an inch tall). and the skin has to loop back down (a fold), so that's two inches. plus, the skin is stretchy and circumcisions are usually done about an inch or more down the shaft. If you've had a math class, then you'll know how to find the area. I'd link to a math site, but you'd probably dismiss them because they're all "pro-math".

edit: ok, I just took a 3x5 card, folded it in half, lined it up with my scar, and wrapped it around my dick. It worked perfectly. admittedly, I am limp at the moment, so I'll probably need a 5x8 when I've got a stiffy.