Christianity.

[FurryFury]

I have no issue with Atheists who just don't believe, like I have no issue with (insert religion here) who just do believe and get on with it. It's dogma and tribalism that creep me out - when Atheists get together and make it like a dogmatic church I'm very WTF.

I agree!

 

[Betticus]

I have no issue with Atheists who just don't believe, like I have no issue with (insert religion here) who just do believe and get on with it. It's dogma and tribalism that creep me out - when Atheists get together and make it like a dogmatic church I'm very WTF.

Well said.

 

[graceanne]

But Gracie said. . .

Sometimes I'm wrong. Like once a year. To tell the truth, I assumed.

 

[Netzach]

<======== Godless heathen who eats gefilte fish.


represent.

Voluntarily?

Please tell me at least it's not the kind that comes in slime. *shudder*

 

[00Syd]

Voluntarily?

Please tell me at least it's not the kind that comes in slime. *shudder*

Yes, voluntarily. And no, why eat the kind that comes in jelly when you can easily get the kind that comes in broth? Much better, much less slimy.

Really, gefilte fish is just an excuse to eat a lot of horseradish.

 

[Homburg]

This forum makes me feel like the biggest square. I'm against general Christian-bashing and bestiality. Sorry.

Square.


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http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070523_chris_hedges_i_dont_believe_in_atheists/

Chris Hedges has an interesting new book out. It places Dawkins Atheism and radical fundamentalism at the same dangerous point of a continuum, most people in their varying levels of belief and agnosticism on the other end. I just saw it in B+N and came close to getting it.

I have no issue with Atheists who just don't believe, like I have no issue with (insert religion here) who just do believe and get on with it. It's dogma and tribalism that creep me out - when Atheists get together and make it like a dogmatic church I'm very WTF.

I've argued for years that hard-core atheism is nothing more than a religion sans-godhead. Yes, that makes it a belief system, but I choose that language on purpose. The dogma, the sort of spittle-flinging rants that would do the most vituperative fundamentalist proud, and the weird collectivism bugs me. It's anti-religion as religion.


Note: I identify as a non-believer. Yeah, that wanders the same ground as atheism. Sorry, can't dance with that crowd. I won't pray at the Unchurch of Anti-god. No sugar-free kool aid for me, thanks.

 

[00Syd]

I most often classify myself as a godless heathen, but am actually closer to agnostic. I like to keep the possibility open.

You neeever know.

 

[Netzach]

Square.


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I've argued for years that hard-core atheism is nothing more than a religion sans-godhead. Yes, that makes it a belief system, but I choose that language on purpose. The dogma, the sort of spittle-flinging rants that would do the most vituperative fundamentalist proud, and the weird collectivism bugs me. It's anti-religion as religion.


Note: I identify as a non-believer. Yeah, that wanders the same ground as atheism. Sorry, can't dance with that crowd. I won't pray at the Unchurch of Anti-god. No sugar-free kool aid for me, thanks.

I just have a lot of problems with meetings and coffee and donuts. Ethical culture weirded me out. Al anon weirded me out. Munches eventually weirded me out. I don't go to the Zen Center because there are friendly people and coffee there. I like my coffee in my house or at a coffee shop with company of my choosing, not my affiliations. I am SO not cut out for organized religion.

 

[Betticus]

I just have a lot of problems with meetings and coffee and donuts. Ethical culture weirded me out. Al anon weirded me out. Munches eventually weirded me out. I don't go to the Zen Center because there are friendly people and coffee there. I like my coffee in my house or at a coffee shop with company of my choosing, not my affiliations. I am SO not cut out for organized religion.

I prefer my coffee with my maddening air of aristocracy that my ginormous ego has gifted me with.

Also, a healthy side of pretentious looking down my nose.

 

[Betticus]

http://austin.coolserver.net/images/surprise_buttsecks.png

 

[Homburg]

I just have a lot of problems with meetings and coffee and donuts. Ethical culture weirded me out. Al anon weirded me out. Munches eventually weirded me out. I don't go to the Zen Center because there are friendly people and coffee there. I like my coffee in my house or at a coffee shop with company of my choosing, not my affiliations. I am SO not cut out for organized religion.

Yep, been there. It's why I avoided team sports in school, and turned down military academy. Organisation and I don't really get on well.

 

[Essene]

Yep, been there. It's why I avoided team sports in school, and turned down military academy. Organisation and I don't really get on well.

Ditto, but I kind of find myself missing that musty old church smell mixed with the scent of cheap coffee and pastry .

 

[Netzach]

I prefer my coffee with my maddening air of aristocracy that my ginormous ego has gifted me with.

Also, a healthy side of pretentious looking down my nose.

Have you considered being a pastor or rabbi or some form of leadership in said organizations?

 

[Betticus]

Have you considered being a pastor or rabbi or some form of leadership in said organizations?

Those organizations frown on spanking the members. I'd have to be a cult leader.

 

[Homburg]

Those organizations frown on spanking the members. I'd have to be a cult leader.

I took multiple carrer aptitude tests in college. Two said I should be a rabbi, and one said priest.

 

[Betticus]

I took multiple carrer aptitude tests in college. Two said I should be a rabbi, and one said priest.

I think it's time to start a church.

Like scientology, or spankology.

 

[chauderlos]

I'll laugh at this kind of "jokes" in a world where joking about Judaism or Islam will get the same answers.
Joke about Christians? Hahaha, funny.
Joke about Jews? You're a nazi.
Joke about Islam? You start recieving death mail.

 

[trisquel_astur]

I'll laugh at this kind of "jokes" in a world where joking about Judaism or Islam will get the same answers.
Joke about Christians? Hahaha, funny.
Joke about Jews? You're a nazi.
Joke about Islam? You start recieving death mail.

I can only agree.

 

[JamieB]

I think pretty much anything that involves groupthink is a bad idea. That includes (but is not limited to) religion, atheism, Warner Earhart groups and other cults, Amway and other pyramid schemes, economic and social strata, fraternities and labor unions, and even political parties.

It comes down to a cultivation of this us/them mentality, the mutual suspicion that always somehow erupts between different groups. Look at the Sunni vs. Shiite conflict...it's over a religious interpretation so insignificant as to be almost laughable if it weren't the result of so much death and suffering. The genocides in Africa, the Holocaust, the crusades, slavery, the atrocities committed against Native Americans...history is full of examples of cruelty and slaughter of people seen as different.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: That is the one thing about humanity that is most likely to get us all killed.

If you ever watch an old married couple argue in Chinese, or walk into a preschool class full of kids playing together in every possible mix of genders and ethnicities, or even go down to watch a pickup basketball or soccer game where there are three different languages being spoken on the court, you realize how much we all really have in common.

I think society has it backwards. I think we need to celebrate the things that we have in common and ignore our differences, not the other way around.

J

 

[WriterDom]

To the degenerate shitbag who messages my girl.
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=580962

Looks like you just outed yourself. Did I hit a nerve?

Outed myself?

Dude, you said this person had inside information. You aren't that important. In fact, you just made my ignore list.

 

[Netzach]

I'll laugh at this kind of "jokes" in a world where joking about Judaism or Islam will get the same answers.
Joke about Christians? Hahaha, funny.
Joke about Jews? You're a nazi.
Joke about Islam? You start recieving death mail.

Jokes about Christians in Lebanon, not so funny.

Jokes about Christians in a country where y'all set every agenda and control every fart of public life then bitch about Jews owning "the media" and feel free to make fun of anyone in a turban, Sikh or Muslim in public - funny. Deal. When it's a liability to be a Christian, and I mean for real, not some persecution in your head, but the kind of liability it is to be Christian in Lebanon, then you're entitled to lose your sense of humor.

Consider other people's mild irritation the price to be paid for being in charge, and I think it's a reasonable price. No one is stringing you up in the street. I can take a certain amount of ribbing over being white from a black friend - if I joke about them it's NOT on the same level, because, well, look at the freaking world, that's why. Most of those jokes hold a lot of truth, anyway, so I do laugh.

If you are part of a Christian majority in the west, you simply can't begin to understand the subtle forms, markers, and day to day slaps in the face one gets as a non-Christian. Add ethnicity to that, and it increases. Go region by region and suddenly an identity that didn't even matter one day becomes a huge issue eventually somewhere else. (Don't I know)

It bothers the shit out of me that Christians see radical Muslims making death threats over cartoons and instead of coming to the conclusion that a secularized society is the way to go, you get the Catholics deciding it's THEIR right to shut down museum exhibits, and do so successfully because at least no one's killing anyone so it looks reasonable. The bar is being lowered by every kind of fundamentalism all together. The "right to freedom of religious expression" is marching all over the "separation of church and state" doctrine like an 4000 pound elephant in the room.

 

[intothewoods]

Jokes about Christians in Lebanon, not so funny.

Jokes about Christians in a country where y'all set every agenda and control every fart of public life then bitch about Jews owning "the media" and feel free to make fun of anyone in a turban, Sikh or Muslim in public - funny. Deal. When it's a liability to be a Christian, and I mean for real, not some persecution in your head, but the kind of liability it is to be Christian in Lebanon, then you're entitled to lose your sense of humor.

Consider other people's mild irritation the price to be paid for being in charge, and I think it's a reasonable price. No one is stringing you up in the street. I can take a certain amount of ribbing over being white from a black friend - if I joke about them it's NOT on the same level, because, well, look at the freaking world, that's why.

And be happy if the joke is remotely amusing or true.

Word! Is Chris Hedges that British conservative dude who hates religion and is really angry all the time (pant pant pant)?

 

[intothewoods]

I just have a lot of problems with meetings and coffee and donuts. Ethical culture weirded me out. Al anon weirded me out. Munches eventually weirded me out. I don't go to the Zen Center because there are friendly people and coffee there. I like my coffee in my house or at a coffee shop with company of my choosing, not my affiliations. I am SO not cut out for organized religion.

I can sort of relate. It's like my yoga example. I don't want to find a new something or other and make it my religion. I feel like that about the tantric sex people. It's like, man, can we get back to some fun fucking or what? If we're going to spend all our time making this like temple, I'll just go to temple. And when people bash religion but then spend all their time recreating it unconsciously(no one around here, just speaking generally), it annoys the crap out of me.

I would classify myself as an agnostic cultural Jew, for the record, in case that matters. There is also less Jewish institutional stuff to deal with, in the sense that there isn't a Pope or one bureacuracy. A lot of the rituals that are really important to me are home-based and not dependent on being in synagogue or dealing with a committee of any sort.

 

[Netzach]

Word! Is Chris Hedges that British conservative dude who hates religion and is really angry all the time (pant pant pant)?

Dude, no no no. He's a journalist, author of "War is a Force that Gives Us Meaning" covered Bosnia, El Salvador, Iraq prior to the war and almost got executed there - he's definitely not that.

 

[intothewoods]

Yes, voluntarily. And no, why eat the kind that comes in jelly when you can easily get the kind that comes in broth? Much better, much less slimy.

Really, gefilte fish is just an excuse to eat a lot of horseradish.

This cracks me up to no end. Once a year I get a craving for gefilte, even in the slime. With horseradish. Mmmmm. Just once a year though!

Otherwise I think Jewish food is awful. Duh, that's why we eat Chinese food! Mister Man loves knishes. I sometimes get a hankering for herring.

Otherwise my idea of Jewish food is the following: lox, cream cheese, thinly sliced red onion, thinly sliced tomatoes and capers on a toasted everything or onion bagel with good coffee and the NY Times. Mmmmmmm. Heaven. Damn it. Now I'm hungry. Maybe this weekend....