Chicago's murder rate soars 72% in 2016; shootings up more than 88%

[Noor]

Yikes. I'm in Chicago right now at a conference.

Hope Rahm can get this under control and pronto!

I seriously doubt that he can.
This time of thing has been going on and off for as long as I can remember.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Numerically to the very last shooting, you're right. But then again, it's like polling and there is a statistically valid sampling out there. Further, the DOJ has been tracking the numbers diligently for the past several years. About 70% of police shootings are righteous, 20% fall into a grey area and in those cases the benefit of doubt always goes to the officer. That leaves us with that 10% (and I'm being extraordinarily generous here) of those shootings that are 'murder by cop.' Again, statistically, 50% of those are going to be black citizens. Perfectly in alignment with general crime numbers.

As far as Twitter and the press are concerned, a lynching is a lynching.

The numbers of individuals, of any race or persuasion, murdered by police annually is statistically insignificant and will NEVER be zero. That does NOT mean that the officers should get a free pass. That does NOT mean that those lives were of no value. What it does mean is that there is a price to be paid for an orderly society. That the criminal activity of blacks, whites, and any other race or persuasion, can only escalate if you handcuff the cops.

Oversight? YES!!! Trial by Twitter and a suck up press? Fuck no!!!!

Ishmael

I'd love to see where the FBI are diligently looking into this. Sicne again every source I've found comes back that we simply don't know.

The numbers of people killed by police is statically insignificant. It's also higher than the amount killed by terrorists each year and we happily pour billions upon billions into that. IS there a single quality reason not to pour millions into just having more cops? I mean if you fear for your life having a little more back up should alleviate that somewhat no? I suspect that the reasons cops don't want cameras is that they knwo good and damn well that if we knew what they were actually doing we'd riot.

I don't want a trial by twitter or a "suck up press" (where I live hero cops get love second only to returning military so the fact that they occasionalyl get almost held responsible for things doesn't strike me as unfair.) but I also acknowledge that unless we plan on restricting the press that is something we have to live with.

As it stands nobody really believes that the police are held accountable even for the worst of their crimes. Murder is what you're calling it but let me clear. From a legal standpoint I'd be shocked if an unduty police officer commits First degree murder once every decade. I think they get trigger happy, I think they are conditioned both correctly and incorrectly to react violently (especially to minorities but increasingly to whites.) and I think they have a habit of looking out for each other even when they know/suspect that so and so did something wrong. I think part of that is because these guys think of each other as family and you look out for family and they probably also do the "political math" of believing everytime a cop gets busted for something it looks bad on all of them. Rather than everytime a cop turns in a corrupt cop it showing that they really give a shit. They may be correct on that I don't know.

I think that you cannot have the local DA investigate a police shooting because they may not be quite as close as actual officers but they still have professional and probably personal relationships that at best cloud their judgement and at worst puts them in a position to simply ignore what they'd rather not see. Even under the absolute best of circumstances it looks shady.

Again, as much shit as we give the church the response from church goers about pedophile priests isn't "I support the church!" it's "Not all of us are like that and we're happy something is being done!" I don't hear catholics defending the various hierarchy that moved priests around. They all seem to agree that's bullshit. They might get offended (rightly so) if we make a quip about choir boys in little dresses but it's entirely different from this "I support the police." movement.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The problem does not go away by changing the party.

The only answer is to build a wall and make the gangs pay for it.

Is there really a large gang problem in Texas as compared to say California? Is it located in the hard rural red areas of the state, or the softer blue cities?

Additionally, Is it the Democrat Party refusing to enforce borders that puts Texas squarely in the crosshairs of the Cartels, the drug trafficking and the violence associated with that?

What is being pointed out here is that these large cities have been dominated by the Democratic Party not for decades, but for generations now...

We get it: embarrassing factoid.

Your only answer is the false equivalency of, if I can find ONE gang member, even if he's in a Democrat-controlled city, in a state that tends largely Republican, then they're all to blame, so don't blame my team and its Chicago-San Francisco-NYC values.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

One of the most consistently racist members of the GB starts s thread, and the conservative asshats gleefully jump in.

Weak mind. No attempt to address the issue, just one of the board's leading cheerleaders for #BlackLiversMatter playing the race card, because, you know, if you're white, you're not allowed to talk about race unless it's to race bait.

Get back to us when you are ready to have an adult conversation.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

How about expanding on that. Are these murders taking place in front of the cops and they're just ignoring them? Or is it that the cops just aren't patrolling as agressively in cockroachville?

And if it's the latter, who can blame them? Maybe, just maybe, if the black on black murder rate gets bad enough the 'good' citizens of cockroachville might start rethinking their attitudes towards the cops.

Ishmael

They cannot and will not rethink their surrender to the status of victim class, because they think that by keeping the violence alive, they keep the story alive, and they keep politicians focused on them, pandering to them, and promising them benefits as long as they refuse to admit that they are part of the problem and refuse to recognize that the root of their modern problem is not white people per se, and conservative whites specifically.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

One of the stupider comments you've made. How many individuals, annually, are shot by police? And how many of those are black? And of those how many are unjustified?

Now how many blacks are murdered by blacks annually? (I actually know that number.)

Now, if the 'good' citizens of cockroachville want to condemn all the cops for the actions of a few bad apples, and there are some out there, and demand a trial that basically starts on twitter and in the press. Then it should come as no surprise to those 'good' citizens that the cops don't want anything to do with them or their community.

Black crime is the problem, not the cops.

Ishmael

Whatever keeps the focus off personal responsibility and what I have for some time now (since the "gentle giant") labeled The Story.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You "know" what some Conservative hack posted online somewhere. And we can rest assured that whatever number you have in your geriatric brain exists within no context other than the one which suits your myopic worldview.

as hominem

The topic does not matter, only trying to make the opposing viewpoint stfu...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Chicago obviously needs much more able socialist community organizers than they've already been cursed with.

First Billary, then Obama, then the current shyster mayor, and now a Justice nominee...

Logic should imagine that before any of these wannabes could possibly make the USSA better, they would've all exhibited that experience in their own hometown first.

On the other hand, since they all also champion the intentional killing of totally innocent human life, the progressive case can be truly made that the death culture which exists in Chicago today is their collective, progressive success story.

That's my open-minded contribution for the day...

Eyer, you're actually making some sense here; please stay on your meds...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Numerically to the very last shooting, you're right. But then again, it's like polling and there is a statistically valid sampling out there. Further, the DOJ has been tracking the numbers diligently for the past several years. About 70% of police shootings are righteous, 20% fall into a grey area and in those cases the benefit of doubt always goes to the officer. That leaves us with that 10% (and I'm being extraordinarily generous here) of those shootings that are 'murder by cop.' Again, statistically, 50% of those are going to be black citizens. Perfectly in alignment with general crime numbers.

As far as Twitter and the press are concerned, a lynching is a lynching.

The numbers of individuals, of any race or persuasion, murdered by police annually is statistically insignificant and will NEVER be zero. That does NOT mean that the officers should get a free pass. That does NOT mean that those lives were of no value. What it does mean is that there is a price to be paid for an orderly society. That the criminal activity of blacks, whites, and any other race or persuasion, can only escalate if you handcuff the cops.

Oversight? YES!!! Trial by Twitter and a suck up press? Fuck no!!!!

Ishmael

WTF happened to you cannot blame Islam for the violence of a tiny minority that aren't really Muslims, but just criminals?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yikes. I'm in Chicago right now at a conference.

Hope Rahm can get this under control and pronto!

I doubt that your conference is located in one of the no-go zones...

 

[Aella_]

Das Gooklord sucks Ishamels impotent cock film at 11

Shut up Disgustipated

 

[Ishmael]

Whatever keeps the focus off personal responsibility and what I have for some time now (since the "gentle giant") labeled The Story.

Pretty much. 13% of the population committing 54% of all murders.............and they're looking for sympathy? fuck'em.

Ishmael

 

[richard_daily]

Pretty much. 13% of the population committing 54% of all murders.............and they're looking for sympathy? fuck'em.

Ishmael

Who are the "13%" that you're talking about?

 

[LIVINRFANTASIES]

We used to spend a lot of time in Chicago and always had a good time.
Of course we were in Detroit often too.
As we evolve we turn back into slime.