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miles said:
Wait a minute.....this is from eight years ago?

And this is important...why?
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You're probably like me and had the main players on ignore. I only knew about the hub bub this weekend because patient1 checked in to Lit and told me. I had nothing to do with the outing of KK this time, that was all someone else on the GB.

You want names of converts? Check my sig line for one.
 
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vetteman said:
His whole part of the world is coming down like a house of cards and all he gives a shit about is Ken, Kevin, and whether Karen is a girl or not, all the while examining the facts through the fat green glass of the bottom of his wine bottle.:rolleyes::D
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Not this time.

And have you ever known me to be on team SeanH before now? Not likely.
 
vetteman said:
I doubt there's much crow being eaten on just your say so, Chey. I think Dix had it right, it's an obsession of yours based more on self serving perception than on real facts. I've seen absolutely no "definitive" evidence that KK is a male.
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http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=793300&page=2

and

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?p=39621958#post39621958

Originally Posted by Sonny Limatina
Here's the deal.

Not to start with self-congratulation, but I have always said that I figured the Karen Kraft character was a composite ID of some sort. I won't post the instances, but they're around. I have a good ear; there was something off about her. At any rate, I'm certainly not the first one or the only one who noticed.

I have found her gleeful invocation of Rob's kids reprehensible, and generally find her posting style grating.

As a result, except for occasional posts in "Who Is This Person" threads, I have mostly ignored her.

She has tried to reach out to me a few times. When I haven't responded, she's pouted and put me on iggy.

Recently, she began trying again. Making jokes, winks, kisses and lofty, overwritten, incorrect historical posts in response to things I've said. I remembered that among the things she's claimed, being an editor was one of them. Reading her responses, I thought, "Well, one thing I know: This is no editor."

I have avs, signatures, and images off. I clicked through to her profile and saw that she had a link to some Smashwords books in her sig. One was a book with one author and three editors. That struck me as odd. That's not how it usually works.

I click through to all the other names. The author has web presence, the other two editors have web presence, Karen doesn't. OK, so it's a pseudonym, duh, we all know that.

Click author's profile. There are links to IMDB and Facebook. There on IMDB was a picture of author with Karen Kraft. What the. OK, got it, that's Karen, then, and sure enough, she's a friend of the author.

Click through to his Facebook page, which turns out to be public, and there's the same picture. This time, it's tagged. The woman is Natasha Melnicck, and the photo is a still from a movie set. Google Natasha, and there are lots of pictures of Karen. Click on videos of her, and there is Karen/Natasha talking about her new movie.

I read Ken's bio, do a little more Googling, and discover that his bio, hobbies, locations, writing style/idiosyncracies and even the timing of his book all match Karen. There's the tomato garden. There's the study abroad. There's Las Vegas and So Cal. There are some sons, one of whose names matches the one people have tossed about as KK in the past. The Baylor thing explains the Austin posts.

There is Ken writing a legal article about intra-family statutory rape. Karen came to lit writing about being sexually abused by mom and dad.

The only missing element is the twins, which turns out to be the plot of his self-published book: two young twin sisters save humanity, when--by the way--the age of consent is lowered so we can begin legally fucking girls sooner.

Again, not to horn-toot, but my prevailing theory about Karen was that it was a middle-aged lawyer with an unhealthy relationship with his daughter, and that he was posting her without consent. At one point I thought, Wait, if that's right, those young-girl threads are really fucking creepy. Then I just stopped noticing them and forgot.

I suddenly ealized how many atrocities the character was perpetrating, if he was in fact the middle-aged male. Outing people’s kids, preying on young, cute women, asking for personal addresses.

I am not the alt-outing type. I strongly considered just keeping the knowledge in my pocket. I actually don’t care who is who online, since that’s why people come online. I also often ask people in PMs what they do, who they are. I have revealed who I am to people. I have something to lose myself, and would not want to be outed.

As I was reading Karen’s old posts, I came across something about her dad fucking her or something of the like, and became sufficiently skeeved out by the aggregate that I decided, fuck it. Let him grow some balls and cop to who he is. If he outs me in return, at least my storyline matches reality and isn’t borderline-predator.

I had pictures of Ken’s tomato garden and the matching basil-and-mozzarella posts--and, of course, I knew by then he was her. But I could still think of ways to explain it away, if someone wanted to. I figured, there’s no way to explain away how Karen’s garden can be Ken’s garden if he’s not her. So I made my garden thread.

She didn’t post in it. So I baited her. I posted in the Slender Angels thread, saying that if it turned out she was a fat old man, the thread would seem creepy.

Bait worked: she PMd me asking that I change it, explaining how hard it would be for her if I didn’t, and sending a naked picture of Natasha Melnicck to prove she was a female.

I said, post in my Post Your Garden thread and I’ll consider it.

She did. It was the same garden.

Karen was Ken, and the rest is Litstory.

In the meantime, Karen went into major melt-down/attack mode, made some Sonny vanity threads and the like. I considered putting off the “out,” so no one would think it was retaliation, but then I realized, this isn’t curing breast cancer or killing Bin Laden, this is being a pest on a website, just post the stuff and move on.

So I did.

Please do not worry, if you’ve given me personal information, that I will share it. I never will. Karen gave me none of the information I posted, except on the board. It was all clicks through from her signature page to public pages, and posted only because of the skeeve/predator factor. I have started being more open (in PM) about who I am, partially as collateral so I can ask others who they are. As I said, I have a good ear: I like to hear/know people’s stories.

That’s it. QED and Cognito Virgo Drum and all that.

Love,
Sonny

P.S. AIDS!
 
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The whole deal is small potatoes. You have a poster that has been here from the beginning of Lit with over 20 "shared accounts". Outing KK doesn't even make a dent in the alt population.
 
vetteman said:
I doubt there's much crow being eaten on just your say so, Chey. I think Dix had it right, it's an obsession of yours based more on self serving perception than on real facts. I've seen absolutely no "definitive" evidence that KK is a male.
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Time to face facts, unpleasant for you as they are. You've been cybering a 63 year old dude with a receding hairline and a beer gut.

Looks like the Sergeant Major was right after all: he DID raise a faggot.
 
vetteman said:
I doubt there's much crow being eaten on just your say so, Chey. I think Dix had it right, it's an obsession of yours based more on self serving perception than on real facts. I've seen absolutely no "definitive" evidence that KK is a male.
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Have you reviewed the "definitive " evidence yet, Vette? Ready to agree with the rest of the GB yet?
 
So where is AJ this fine January morning?

We are supposed to come close to breaking a record today, low 50s or something like that. Patient1 is working on taking down the Christmas lights in relative warmth for a change.
 
Cheyenne said:
So where is AJ this fine January morning?
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He's lost control over the subjects he wants to debate in the morning for the past three days. I've got to believe he's off sulking somewhere. He'll be back with his 62+ posts per day nonsense soon.
 
RobDownSouth said:
He's lost control over the subjects he wants to debate in the morning for the past three days. I've got to believe he's off sulking somewhere. He'll be back with his 62+ posts per day nonsense soon.
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I actually like AJ and normally get along with him just fine.
We agree on many things. Also, I love to read about his Princess and her dogs, his fish pond, etc.
 
Hey, AJ. You start a thread for me and then don't come back?


Did you see where you have been accused of cybering with KK? :D


So when does So you think you can dance start again?
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
Dandelions are blooming.

The daffodils and hyacinths are bursting through the ground.

The azalea and forsythia are putting on blooms, the mums and butterfly bushes are spouting new growth...



There's so much more to talk about than KK.

Eh?
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I had to put Cheyenne on ignore. It appeared out of nowhere and just went on bumping every KAren Kraft thread available. An obvious alt.

So.. Buh Bye !!!
 
Today, 10:04 AM

This message is hidden because Cade Is Here is on your ignore list.
 
Disgustipated said:
Everyone in this thread cybered with Ken besides Cheyenne and I!
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And this coming from a luke alt now proves that cheyenne is an alt!

Luke you really are a moron no matter what alt you are under!



koalabear said:
The whole deal is small potatoes. You have a poster that has been here from the beginning of Lit with over 20 "shared accounts". Outing KK doesn't even make a dent in the alt population.
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I got 4 more luke alts on ignore after his little pissy fit that he threw. He gets so damn excited while trolling people that he doesn't realize that he is exposing more alts.
 
naughtycakes said:
Ha!



This thread delivers, even if AJ doesn't :D
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Nah, AJ is still my bud. Has been for years. Even if we don't see eye to eye on everything, he's still a cool dude. And no, that isn't necessarily the most popular opinion here at Lit. I don't care.
 
Cheyenne said:
Nah, AJ is still my bud. Has been for years. Even if we don't see eye to eye on everything, he's still a cool dude. And no, that isn't necessarily the most popular opinion here at Lit. I don't care.
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That's fine, he's still your bud and it's cool that you guys can disagree on this and still agree on other stuff, kudos.

But you can't blame me for thinking it's funny that he's disappeared from his own thread.
 
naughtycakes said:
That's fine, he's still your bud and it's cool that you guys can disagree on this and still agree on other stuff, kudos.

But you can't blame me for thinking it's funny that he's disappeared from his own thread.
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Exactly. That's why I keep calling him back!


AJ! Where AAAAARRREEE you?
 
Cheyenne said:
I actually like AJ and normally get along with him just fine.
We agree on many things. Also, I love to read about his Princess and her dogs, his fish pond, etc.
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Cheyenne said:
Nah, AJ is still my bud. Has been for years. Even if we don't see eye to eye on everything, he's still a cool dude. And no, that isn't necessarily the most popular opinion here at Lit. I don't care.
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Agreed on all of this, though I don't think I can claim to be "buds" with him.

Also, I wonder why he talks about me all the time. And why he calls me a nominal libertarian and what degree it is that I'm supposed to have started but never earned. I voted libertarian in the last potus race but never at any other time, and I have my bachelor's degree and have never started any other.

But that's one of the things I actually DISlike about AJ. He won't care that his facts are wrong. A week from now he'll be back to calling me a libertarian who never finished a degree and using the now-famous "ad hominem by class" fallacy that he invented out of thin air.
 
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