cheating with the enemy

[Sean Renaud]

Oh, but it is. This "weird" story makes his dick hard. At the end of the day, that's what it's all about.

No it's not. You STILL need the story to make sense. It doesn't matter if your telling a story about a little boy who travels the land capturing innocent animals and forcing them into brutal battles until they can't fight any more or about a bunch of hairy midgets walking across a continent to get rid of some jewelry from his runaway uncle the story has to make sense. This story, as is currently explained in the OP doesn't make sense.

And Kill Bill did a bang up job of telling the story, didn't it?

LOL

I'd argue that Kill Bill is more of a strung together fight sequence than a coherent story but yes, it did. And if THAT is the goal of the story I could get behind that. The OP however hasn't given us that.

 

[lovecraft68]

Apparently, I am the only person who read this and nearly hit the floor in a fit of laughter. Perhaps, I'm easily amused.

This is the hypocrisy of Renaud at his best. If the thread was guy fucks his wife's enemy he would be a big fucking hero and SR would lift his knuckles from the ground and clap "As it should be!"

 

[Sean Renaud]

This is the hypocrisy of Renaud at his best. If the thread was guy fucks his wife's enemy he would be a big fucking hero and SR would lift his knuckles from the ground and clap "As it should be!"

What?! No I wouldn't. That story would make even less sense than this one. What man wants a woman who goes around beating people up?! At least in the first story you could attempt to twist it around (as I already explained) that perhaps this was about masculinity and her fiance was shown as being unworthy because he got his ass beat, no such standard holds for women.

So yeah. . .that story would be even more bizarre. Thanks for playing though!

 

[sh0wst0pper]

What?! No I wouldn't. That story would make even less sense than this one. What man wants a woman who goes around beating people up?! At least in the first story you could attempt to twist it around (as I already explained) that perhaps this was about masculinity and her fiance was shown as being unworthy because he got his ass beat, no such standard holds for women.

So yeah. . .that story would be even more bizarre. Thanks for playing though!

I just don't understand why it doesn't make sense to you. It's a story of despicable betrayal. Nobody is saying that this story has the potential to be literary art. The OP is looking for filthy smut that turns him on. And, with respect to some of the really excellent authors on this site, filthy smut is still welcome on Literotica.

Sean, it's all relative. But just because it didn't make sense to you, doesn't mean there isn't a market for what the OP was looking for. You asked "What man wants a woman who goes around beating people up?" There are thousands of people that are turned on by that. There are several stories on this site that touch on what the OP asked for. One member was kind enough to post a link.

I understand that you don't get it. But just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Open your mind....

 

[Sean Renaud]

I just don't understand why it doesn't make sense to you. It's a story of despicable betrayal. Nobody is saying that this story has the potential to be literary art. The OP is looking for filthy smut that turns him on. And, with respect to some of the really excellent authors on this site, filthy smut is still welcome on Literotica.

Sean, it's all relative. But just because it didn't make sense to you, doesn't mean there isn't a market for what the OP was looking for. You asked "What man wants a woman who goes around beating people up?" There are thousands of people that are turned on by that. There are several stories on this site that touch on what the OP asked for. One member was kind enough to post a link.

I understand that you don't get it. But just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Open your mind....

I didn't say anything about art, and yeah the OP is asking for something that turns him on. However he's not explaining the how and why. Which he absolutely must do if he wants an author. He has to show someone else his vision and the lack of story (and the fact that all the comment son his idea are me questioning it, you defending it, Rubi being confused and Lovecraft. . .being lovecraft shows that he's failed to do that.

I'd say I doubt there are thousands of people who are turned on by a woman being up other women but there are seven billion people on the planet and at least three people who managed to film two girls, one cup without dying. So sure there are thousands. Doesn't mean anything.

If I don't see it (and nobody else does) then nobody will write it. If nobody writes it then this was a waste of time for the OP.

 

[TheTalkMan]

I didn't say anything about art, and yeah the OP is asking for something that turns him on. However he's not explaining the how and why. Which he absolutely must do if he wants an author. He has to show someone else his vision and the lack of story (and the fact that all the comment son his idea are me questioning it, you defending it, Rubi being confused and Lovecraft. . .being lovecraft shows that he's failed to do that.

I'd say I doubt there are thousands of people who are turned on by a woman being up other women but there are seven billion people on the planet and at least three people who managed to film two girls, one cup without dying. So sure there are thousands. Doesn't mean anything.

If I don't see it (and nobody else does) then nobody will write it. If nobody writes it then this was a waste of time for the OP.

The good thing about a lot of author's is that they can fill in all the blanks on even the smallest kernel of an idea and breath life into an idea. I think the purpose of this board is to brainstorm ideas, build them up, and develop them. I would hazard a guess that the reason this thread hasn't had a lot of development on the original idea is that you immediately derailed it and said the idea was dumb. The OP started a similar thread as well, and that one has had a lot more development on the idea, because like-minded people were able to get there and help build the ideas up and discuss them. As long as the basis of the idea is a story that is allowed on this site, I see no reason why that idea wouldn't be allowed to be discussed.

If you don't like an idea, the best way to dismiss is to not post and to let the thread die. If it is meant to die, it will die. Too many times, people come in to threads and derail the idea or twist it 180 degrees simply to meet their own needs at the expense of the original idea, instead of letting genuine discussion happen. You might feel the original idea is a waste of time, and that's fine, that's your opinion, but if you feel the OP is wasting their time, what does that make you for continually coming in here and commenting on it?

Personally, I don't mind the idea. I have a lot on my plate, but I am eagerly awaiting someone to take up the mantle on that. I am a silent observer on these threads. I tend to write stories in a similar vein, but with the genders flipped. Men fucking the rivals or enemies of their wives, because they were overwhelmed by the enemy's raw sexual appeal. And some have featured physical contact between the rival women, and the two I've written that come to mind are pretty well rated and have a read count in the range of 40,000 to 70,000. So there is a market for that type of story, and I think that appeal crosses over into a story similar to what the OP wanted, as the core of the idea is essentially the same. One spouse being screwed over by another for no logical reason other than raw sexual appeal, and I think it's possible to write those in such a way as to make the story flow logically and relatively realistically.

People see my stories and have threads based around them and stories like mine because those threads were allowed to grow. Let's give these threads a chance before making judgment.

(Sorry for the long diatribe)

 

[sh0wst0pper]

The good thing about a lot of author's is that they can fill in all the blanks on even the smallest kernel of an idea and breath life into an idea. I think the purpose of this board is to brainstorm ideas, build them up, and develop them. I would hazard a guess that the reason this thread hasn't had a lot of development on the original idea is that you immediately derailed it and said the idea was dumb. The OP started a similar thread as well, and that one has had a lot more development on the idea, because like-minded people were able to get there and help build the ideas up and discuss them. As long as the basis of the idea is a story that is allowed on this site, I see no reason why that idea wouldn't be allowed to be discussed.

If you don't like an idea, the best way to dismiss is to not post and to let the thread die. If it is meant to die, it will die. Too many times, people come in to threads and derail the idea or twist it 180 degrees simply to meet their own needs at the expense of the original idea, instead of letting genuine discussion happen. You might feel the original idea is a waste of time, and that's fine, that's your opinion, but if you feel the OP is wasting their time, what does that make you for continually coming in here and commenting on it?

Personally, I don't mind the idea. I have a lot on my plate, but I am eagerly awaiting someone to take up the mantle on that. I am a silent observer on these threads. I tend to write stories in a similar vein, but with the genders flipped. Men fucking the rivals or enemies of their wives, because they were overwhelmed by the enemy's raw sexual appeal. And some have featured physical contact between the rival women, and the two I've written that come to mind are pretty well rated and have a read count in the range of 40,000 to 70,000. So there is a market for that type of story, and I think that appeal crosses over into a story similar to what the OP wanted, as the core of the idea is essentially the same. One spouse being screwed over by another for no logical reason other than raw sexual appeal, and I think it's possible to write those in such a way as to make the story flow logically and relatively realistically.

People see my stories and have threads based around them and stories like mine because those threads were allowed to grow. Let's give these threads a chance before making judgment.

(Sorry for the long diatribe)

While this is not the post I was selfishly hoping to read from TheTalkMan (I check this site regularly to see if he's released a new story), I couldn't have said it better myself. That was the reason I even responded to Sean. In fairness to him, he's not the only person to squash a thread that, to some people, took courage to even start. It's annoying to me because I don't like some of the things that Sean (or others) enjoys, but I would never want to stop a thread from developing into what would eventually become his favorite story on this site. Frankly, I find it rude and selfish.

Sean's last post clarified his intention a bit, in that the OP probably could've offered a little more insight into what he was looking for in the story. However, I think you drifted away from looking for more insight and entered the area of criticism. Which, for most people on this site, will probably set you up to be a hypocrite.

That said, Sean's a great contributor to this site and a serviceman to boot, so no disrespect meant. (So long as you NEVER, EVER interrupt a thread that helps develop TalkMan's stories....)

 

[Sean Renaud]

As long as Talkman doesn't have a thread that's painfully stupid I won't derail it. Besides if you go back to the beginning I asked a question. I didn't say it was dumb. Also if you look at the OP and check his post history he asks for this exact same story over and over. This isn't his first time posting this story idea, clearly he's not getting the results he wants.

And as was stated I could easily ignore this thread and let it drift off the page where nobody would see it and his chances of getting a story would be that much lower. I don't see him or anybody contributing much of anything to this idea either.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=815199
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=833718

 

[katt2007]

Why would she do this? I mean she's pretty much about the worst woman ever at this point.

I can think of plenty of reasons. Maybe he has a big cock. Maybe he is a movie producer and she is an aspiring actress and he agrees to give her a part. Maybe she knew him previously (and that was what the guys argued about) and she still has feelings for her. Maybe she is annoyed with her bf for some reason.

Personally I think the hottest stories are women doing things that they wouldn't normally do because they are manipulated into it. Not forced - manipulated. At the moment I have been trying to write a story where a evangelical Christian wife who helps her husband run a mission for the homeless is manipulated into working at a strip club and having sex with the owner. (It is going very slowly though, mainly because I have never written anything before.)

 

[Sean Renaud]

I can think of plenty of reasons. Maybe he has a big cock. Maybe he is a movie producer and she is an aspiring actress and he agrees to give her a part. Maybe she knew him previously (and that was what the guys argued about) and she still has feelings for her. Maybe she is annoyed with her bf for some reason.

Personally I think the hottest stories are women doing things that they wouldn't normally do because they are manipulated into it. Not forced - manipulated. At the moment I have been trying to write a story where a evangelical Christian wife who helps her husband run a mission for the homeless is manipulated into working at a strip club and having sex with the owner. (It is going very slowly though, mainly because I have never written anything before.)

These are all good reasons. I would probably enjoy a story based on any of them. I'd be that jack ass that gave you four or five stars and then wrote a scathing comment about how the woman is a horrible person but I'm that's like pointing out that Dexter is a murderer who deserves to be executed for his crimes. Doesn't mean you don't love the show! (Though I think you'd have an uphill battle with a girl being annoyed with her boyfriend and leaping into bed with someone who just beat him up.)

I know all about stories going slowly, I have that problem a lot. The only advice I can give on that is that you might want to try writing it in "chunks" and then connect them afterwards. I find a lot of times that I know the climax of the story, and a few bits in between but I'm not entirely clear on how everybody gets there. The Matrix written by me would probably at least start out like this.

1. Neo is the savior of the world.
2. Smith is trying to destroy the world.
3. ?????
4. One thousand Smiths attack Neo in a final climatic battle!

Hell I have a fantasy story/novel I've been on and off working on for years that literally started with the final battle, then zooms back to the beginning of the story which is apparently being told as a folk tale by someone who later on turns out to be apparently dead. And I've been trying to get that bullshit to string together ever since.

 

[chiro]

Sean:
Why do you have to care so much? How is this causing problems for you? I have nothing against you at all. We all have different sexual fantasies, some unlike others. You may not agree with me, and I am completely cool with that. But why do you have to post paragraphs arguing against the OP when nothing obliges you to do so? Please, leave this alone and let other people comment on what the thread is about. When I see a thread that is COMPLETELY outrageous in my opinion, I don't say anything. Everybody is different.

 

[DocCIS]

So, in an attempt to re-rail this thread from all the tangents...

In terms of the original post, maybe the girl was raised by a strict and bullying father. He also has a pretty low opinion of women after her mother left him...maybe thinking all women should be treated like shit. She vows to never be with somebody like him (whether she loves him and doesn't agree with his attitudes or hates him because he abuses her is up to you), and ends up meeting a nice guy she engages.

But there's this hidden draw towards bullies, the 'bad boy' syndrome.

One night her fiance gets drunk and they get into a fight and he goes ballistic in the bar and mouths off to the wrong person...who ends up beating the shit out of him. Pissed off, the girl visits the bully to give him a piece of her mind and the guy immediately starts treating her like her father did...and something clicks inside her.

Maybe she doesn't sleep with him right off, but she keeps returning to give him a piece of her mind from the last way he treated her and she sinks further and further into her Electra complex.

There's actually a couple stories that are more or less along a similar vein:

http://www.literotica.com/s/tonis-forced-seduction-ch-01
http://www.literotica.com/s/the-good-guy-loses
http://www.literotica.com/s/crying-wolf
http://www.literotica.com/s/my-roommate-takes-my-girlfriend​

 

[Sean Renaud]

Wow, I was planning on being quiet on account of mr. whiny pants but damn the above idea is pretty fucking outstanding.

turns out the story idea isn't bad if there's a WHY.

 

[stanford_carly]

So, in an attempt to re-rail this thread from all the tangents...

In terms of the original post, maybe the girl was raised by a strict and bullying father. He also has a pretty low opinion of women after her mother left him...maybe thinking all women should be treated like shit. She vows to never be with somebody like him (whether she loves him and doesn't agree with his attitudes or hates him because he abuses her is up to you), and ends up meeting a nice guy she engages.

But there's this hidden draw towards bullies, the 'bad boy' syndrome.

One night her fiance gets drunk and they get into a fight and he goes ballistic in the bar and mouths off to the wrong person...who ends up beating the shit out of him. Pissed off, the girl visits the bully to give him a piece of her mind and the guy immediately starts treating her like her father did...and something clicks inside her.

Maybe she doesn't sleep with him right off, but she keeps returning to give him a piece of her mind from the last way he treated her and she sinks further and further into her Electra complex.

There's actually a couple stories that are more or less along a similar vein:

http://www.literotica.com/s/tonis-forced-seduction-ch-01
http://www.literotica.com/s/the-good-guy-loses
http://www.literotica.com/s/crying-wolf
http://www.literotica.com/s/my-roommate-takes-my-girlfriend​

I've actually read all those, lol. But I see the connection between them(which are all very good stories by the way). Here's some other great ones to add to that list:

http://www.literotica.com/s/roommate-relations-ch-01

http://www.literotica.com/s/billy-6

http://www.literotica.com/s/once-you-go-jack

That said, I really, really like your idea......do you think you could bring it to life? Cause I would really like to read your entire take.

 

[DocCIS]

I've actually read all those, lol. But I see the connection between them(which are all very good stories by the way). Here's some other great ones to add to that list:

http://www.literotica.com/s/roommate-relations-ch-01

http://www.literotica.com/s/billy-6

http://www.literotica.com/s/once-you-go-jack

That said, I really, really like your idea......do you think you could bring it to life? Cause I would really like to read your entire take.

I've read those as well, but did not have them bookmarked like the others, hehehe...I particularly remember the Billy series!

In terms of writing, I've flagged this post, but I'm swamped with a growing pile of stories I have to finish. I've just finished the latest chapter of my Lapdancing series (which is somewhat a rival story in and of itself) and currently working on my Skyrim and Annie series...as well as a few new projects.

I definitely am interested, but can't put any promise on a time...and it could very well be up to a year before I can work on something, so if somebody else is interested and has the time, they definitely can give their spin on it!

For me I have family, work, and a ton of other things going on, so writing's more of a hobby when there's nothing else to do and cannot put in the time and devotion some other writers can...

 

[Tmmldr]

Wow, I was planning on being quiet on account of mr. whiny pants but damn the above idea is pretty fucking outstanding.

turns out the story idea isn't bad if there's a WHY.

Okay, how about this. The enemy (beats him up, sneaks in) and takes (by force, stealth) an ITEM (very important thing, maybe a billfold, or something in it).

Girl sees where he puts it and the only way she can think of to get it is to fuck his brains out, reach one hand out while he's cumming and jerking around like a frog, and snatch ITEM. To do that so she's got a place to hide it she fucks him with most of her clothes on.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Okay, how about this. The enemy (beats him up, sneaks in) and takes (by force, stealth) an ITEM (very important thing, maybe a billfold, or something in it).

Girl sees where he puts it and the only way she can think of to get it is to fuck his brains out, reach one hand out while he's cumming and jerking around like a frog, and snatch ITEM. To do that so she's got a place to hide it she fucks him with most of her clothes on.

I like this as well, I think the prior ideas were more in line with what the OP wanted. (Not that I can tell since the OP wasn't very forthcoming with details) but this is another really good idea. If I can find a category that I'm having trouble with and can sneak this into I might have to write this.

 

[Reshbod]

I really like this idea and one additional idea is perhaps in school she dated a few guys like her father and after a certain incident went out looking for the opposite. After being with the fiance/husband for a while she's glad she left all that stuff behind her.

Then the stuff below happens and she is drawn towards the bad guy.

So, in an attempt to re-rail this thread from all the tangents...

In terms of the original post, maybe the girl was raised by a strict and bullying father. He also has a pretty low opinion of women after her mother left him...maybe thinking all women should be treated like shit. She vows to never be with somebody like him (whether she loves him and doesn't agree with his attitudes or hates him because he abuses her is up to you), and ends up meeting a nice guy she engages.

But there's this hidden draw towards bullies, the 'bad boy' syndrome.

One night her fiance gets drunk and they get into a fight and he goes ballistic in the bar and mouths off to the wrong person...who ends up beating the shit out of him. Pissed off, the girl visits the bully to give him a piece of her mind and the guy immediately starts treating her like her father did...and something clicks inside her.

Maybe she doesn't sleep with him right off, but she keeps returning to give him a piece of her mind from the last way he treated her and she sinks further and further into her Electra complex.

There's actually a couple stories that are more or less along a similar vein:

http://www.literotica.com/s/tonis-forced-seduction-ch-01
http://www.literotica.com/s/the-good-guy-loses
http://www.literotica.com/s/crying-wolf
http://www.literotica.com/s/my-roommate-takes-my-girlfriend​

 

[engsoc]

I like this idea a lot.

 

[engsoc]

I can think of plenty of reasons. Maybe he has a big cock. Maybe he is a movie producer and she is an aspiring actress and he agrees to give her a part. Maybe she knew him previously (and that was what the guys argued about) and she still has feelings for her. Maybe she is annoyed with her bf for some reason.

Personally I think the hottest stories are women doing things that they wouldn't normally do because they are manipulated into it. Not forced - manipulated. At the moment I have been trying to write a story where a evangelical Christian wife who helps her husband run a mission for the homeless is manipulated into working at a strip club and having sex with the owner. (It is going very slowly though, mainly because I have never written anything before.)

I like the big cock idea. Or fascination to being a "bad girl" is also hot

 

[BigCockBully]

I like the idea. Don't know if the OP is around anymore to share some more details about what they want. Anybody else still interested?

 

[chiro]

I'm glad there are people interested in this. I have heard from TripleL that he is working on a story along the similar lines. Let's look forward to his story!

 

[TripleL]

I'm glad there are people interested in this. I have heard from TripleL that he is working on a story along the similar lines. Let's look forward to his story!

Not just similar, but indeed this very story, as requested by the original poster. It's coming along; I'm writing it as a single long story as opposed to breaking it up, but it's a bit more than half done.

 

[stanford_carly]

^ Are you still doing another chapter for "Roommate Relations"? Love that series and can't wait to see the current one you're writing.

 

[TripleL]

Yes; I'm working on the last chapter of RR as well, along with a few other things.