Charlie Kirk would still be alive if we had an assault weapon ban in place.

[Sean Renaud]

Why? Cars are much more dangerous than guns when you see the irrefutable death statistics.

No they are not much more dangerous. They aren't even close to as dangerous.

Effectively zero. And that's my point. I'm surrounded every day by countless strangers operating very dangerous technology that kills a lot more people than guns.

You are surrounded by people who have no animosity toward you operating very safe technology that once you stop lying kill very, very few people compared to guns.

I don't see the anti gun brigade panicking about the availability and access to vehicles.

Can we start with the fact that comparing them is stupid, cars are already regulated or that there are very few mass run downs or intentional homicides via vehicles and virtually no suicides?

 

[Hel_Books]

Guns do not remove poverty when they are used to install socialist and communist dictatorships. It is also quite telling that the first things socialist and communist dictators do after a successful revolution is to:

#1 Seize the guns. Because the same guns that put the Marxists into power can be used to remove them from power.

On the other hand, places like Japan and the UK and . . . well, basically all the first-world countries other than the USA have regulations that prevent all these more-than-one-per-day mass shootings and somehow it seems their press is free and their economies are capitalist and their police aren't jackbooted thugs.

 

[Hel_Books]

Why? Cars are much more dangerous than guns when you see the irrefutable death statistics.

Effectively zero. And that's my point. I'm surrounded every day by countless strangers operating very dangerous technology that kills a lot more people than guns.

I don't see the anti gun brigade panicking about the availability and access to vehicles.

On the other hand, people are required to learn how to use automobiles safely before they can drive, their vehicles must be licenced and inspected and the manufacture and use of vehicles is regulated to ensure their safety.

I'm sure you wouldn't object to the same sort of restrictions on guns, seeing how you're making the analogy.

 

[TastySuckToy]

No they are not much more dangerous. They aren't even close to as dangerous.

Vehicles kill a lot more people than guns do. Sorry if that fact is inconvenient for you.

You are surrounded by people who have no animosity toward you operating very safe technology that once you stop lying kill very, very few people

My sentiments a out guns exactly.

Can we start with the fact that comparing them is stupid, cars are already regulated or that there are very few mass run downs or intentional homicides via vehicles and virtually no suicides?

How about instead we start with the fact guns don't cause shootings, mass ones or otherwise.

 

[TastySuckToy]

On the other hand, people are required to learn how to use automobiles safely before they can drive, their vehicles must be licenced and inspected and the manufacture and use of vehicles is regulated to ensure their safety.

I'm sure you wouldn't object to the same sort of restrictions on guns, seeing how you're making the analogy.

I'm very much in favour of gun safety, use training and ensuring firearms are high quality.

 

[Hel_Books]

Vehicles kill a lot more people than guns do. Sorry if that fact is inconvenient for you.

My sentiments a out guns exactly.

How about instead we start with the fact guns don't cause shootings, mass ones or otherwise.

People in other countries look at the USA and think of the Onion headline about mass shootings:

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

 

[TastySuckToy]

People in other countries look at the USA and think of the Onion headline about mass shootings:

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

I don't care what other countries or satirical sources think or say. Opinions are not valid arguments.

 

[PersonalFavors]

On the other hand, places like Japan and the UK and . . . well, basically all the first-world countries other than the USA have regulations that prevent all these more-than-one-per-day mass shootings and somehow it seems their press is free and their economies are capitalist and their police aren't jackbooted thugs.

In 2022, Shinzo Abe, the former prime minister of Japan and serving member of the Japanese House of Representatives at the time, was assassinated with a gun while speaking at a political event.

 

[Hel_Books]

I'm very much in favour of gun safety, use training and ensuring firearms are high quality.

Registry of serial numbers, requirements for trigger locks, every gun test-fired with the bullet put in a national ballistics database, restrictions on magazine size, restrictions on rate of fire, refusing permits to people without legitimate reasons for having firearms . . .

But no, your people are all "shall issue" and "cold dead hands" and "ghost guns" and you'll be forever dying in mass shootings at the rate of more than one per day . . .

 

[PersonalFavors]

On the other hand, people are required to learn how to use automobiles safely before they can drive, their vehicles must be licenced and inspected and the manufacture and use of vehicles is regulated to ensure their safety.

I'm sure you wouldn't object to the same sort of restrictions on guns, seeing how you're making the analogy.

That is an absurd twist on the analogy. Completely violates the 2nd amendment.
And we do care for our guns. Unlike our cars. Someone else maintains those for us. Very few do their own maintenance.
I would have to select who I would trust to maintain my guns.
You are flying blind anyway. When the murders happen with unregistered guns or illegal gun owners the media does not even report it. Where do the illicit guns come from? Why is it only criminals and illegal aliens are the only one's know how to get one?

 

[TastySuckToy]

Registry of serial numbers, requirements for trigger locks, every gun test-fired with the bullet put in a national ballistics database, restrictions on magazine size, restrictions on rate of fire, refusing permits to people without legitimate reasons for having firearms . . .

No to all of the above.

But no, your people are all "shall issue" and "cold dead hands" and "ghost guns" and you'll be forever dying in mass shootings at the rate of more than one per day . . .

Guns don't cause shootings, mass ones or otherwise.

 

[Bn2f]

Dumbasses use the car analogy.
When dumbasses realize cars can be regulated, confiscated and impounded then dumbasses cry you misunderstood their analogy.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
On the other hand, places like Japan and the UK and . . . well, basically all the first-world countries other than the USA have regulations that prevent all these more-than-one-per-day mass shootings and somehow it seems their press is free and their economies are capitalist and their police aren't jackbooted thugs.

In 2022, Shinzo Abe, the former prime minister of Japan and serving member of the Japanese House of Representatives at the time, was assassinated with a gun while speaking at a political event.

Indeed! A (former) Japanese prime minister was assassinated.

On the other hand, in your country, you have Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley and Kennedy. Not to mention the people who've been shot at, such as Trump, Reagan, Ford, Truman, both Roosevelts and Jackson (not just in a duel, someone tried to shoot him at the White House too!). Arthur Bremer was going to shoot Nixon, but his limo was driving too fast. Other Presidents were the targets of plots that were foiled before the gunmen got to them.

Even the UK has had a Prime Minister assassinated. Once.

Somehow it seems all those first-world countries other than the USA have a free press and capitalist economies and their police aren't jackbooted thugs . . . and their leaders are safer.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
People in other countries look at the USA and think of the Onion headline about mass shootings:

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

I don't care what other countries or satirical sources think or say. Opinions are not valid arguments.

The Onion was making fun of the laments that are heard in the USA when they somehow can't seem to avoid the mass shootings that happen to them far, far more often than they happen in other first world nations.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Vehicles kill a lot more people than guns do. Sorry if that fact is inconvenient for you.

Its not inconvienent. Its misinformation.

My sentiments a out guns exactly.

How about instead we start with the fact guns don't cause shootings, mass ones or otherwise.

No we cannot start with the fact that guns don't cause shootings, mass or otherwise because that's dishonest and I don't do lies.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
On the other hand, people are required to learn how to use automobiles safely before they can drive, their vehicles must be licenced and inspected and the manufacture and use of vehicles is regulated to ensure their safety.

I'm sure you wouldn't object to the same sort of restrictions on guns, seeing how you're making the analogy.

That is an absurd twist on the analogy. Completely violates the 2nd amendment.
And we do care for our guns. Unlike our cars. Someone else maintains those for us. Very few do their own maintenance.
I would have to select who I would trust to maintain my guns.
You are flying blind anyway. When the murders happen with unregistered guns or illegal gun owners the media does not even report it. Where do the illicit guns come from? Why is it only criminals and illegal aliens are the only one's know how to get one?

I expect the criminals in your country get the guns easily because there are so many and they're scandalously unregulated. Compare your country to other first world countries.

As for your Second Amendment, don't make me laugh. Your First Amendment allows freedom of speech, but it doesn't allow someone to use AI to produce a picture of you wearing a swastika armband while you violate a 12-year old and publish it in a newspaper advert calling for a mob to lynch you. Why not?

 

[Olderwiserstillhorny]

The only thing dangerous in this world is the person that doesn't think, or care about anyone else.
That makes a rock, a gun, a car, a pencil, a hammer dangerous.
Anything a person can use to harm someone in any way is dangerous.
A human mind with no regard for anyone or anything is dangerous.

 

[Olderwiserstillhorny]

I expect the criminals in your country get the guns easily because there are so many and they're scandalously unregulated. Compare your country to other first world countries.

As for your Second Amendment, don't make me laugh. Your First Amendment allows freedom of speech, but it doesn't allow someone to use AI to produce a picture of you wearing a swastika armband while you violate a 12-year old and publish it in a newspaper advert calling for a mob to lynch you. Why not?

Probably why they're called criminals in any country. Criminals don't follow laws,

 

[Hel_Books]

The only thing dangerous in this world is the person that doesn't think, or care about anyone else.
That makes a rock, a gun, a car, a pencil, a hammer dangerous.
Anything a person can use to harm someone in any way is dangerous.
A human mind with no regard for anyone or anything is dangerous.

On the other hand, a nation marinated in a sewer of firearms is more like Syria than it is like the first world nation it is commonly assumed to be.

 

[Baztrachian]

On the other hand, places like Japan and the UK and . . . well, basically all the first-world countries other than the USA have regulations that prevent all these more-than-one-per-day mass shootings and somehow it seems their press is free and their economies are capitalist and their police aren't jackbooted thugs.

1. English police are jackbooted thugs.

2. Shootings are still happening in the UK.

3. The British press is no longer 'free' to speak as they wish. Nor is anyone else in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zfz5rjjifM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk_gIjAl0pA

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JGTxbh_Fom4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSCmcs-DZtE

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
I expect the criminals in your country get the guns easily because there are so many and they're scandalously unregulated. Compare your country to other first world countries.

As for your Second Amendment, don't make me laugh. Your First Amendment allows freedom of speech, but it doesn't allow someone to use AI to produce a picture of you wearing a swastika armband while you violate a 12-year old and publish it in a newspaper advert calling for a mob to lynch you. Why not?

Probably why they're called criminals in any country. Criminals don't follow laws,

That's like saying just leave your keys in the car with the engine running because there's nothing you can do about car thieves!

 

[Rightguide]

Charlie Kirk would still be alive if we had an assault weapon ban in place.

He was killed with a bolt-action rifle that was designed 125 years ago.

 

[icanhelp1]

No to all of the above.

Guns don't cause shootings, mass ones or otherwise.

What is considered a legitimate reason for owning a firearm? My opinion is the second amendment is the provision that makes owning a firearm legitimate.

Is entertainment a legitimate reason? Target practice, competition?
Is being a collector a legitimate reason?
Is self defense a legitimate reason?

I think putting restrictions on social media would accomplish more, but then again that would be a violation of the 1st amendment.

 

[Hel_Books]

1. English police are jackbooted thugs.

Really, snowflake? Am I hearing this from the land of George Floyd and Goodman, Schwerner and Cheney?

 

[Baztrachian]

I sniff hedgehog farts

True!