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BabyBoomer50s said:
From WSJ. Possibly a tranny with a bolt action hunting rifle.

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OH NO! Like babayboob’s face on a hot sunny day imagining himself a biker as he rides his Honda scooter up to a group of Harleys at a stop light - this did not age well.

WSJ Torched for False Report of ‘Trans Ideology’ on Charlie Kirk Shooter’s Bullets, Muted Retraction: ‘So Little Accountability’

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/wsj-torched-false-report-trans-000205987.html
 
Bn2f said:
OH NO! Like babayboob’s face on a hot sunny day imagining himself a biker as he rides his Honda scooter up to a group of Harleys at a stop light - this did not age well.
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Ha ha. I actually did used to ride a Honda. Even rode it to the biker rally in Sturgis one summer.
 
icanhelp1 said:
Loved my Honda Goldwing. :D
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Same. An engineering marvel. Power, speed, agility, reliability, and comfort. I appreciated how quiet it was too. A lot of riders don’t realize how prolonged ambient noise can be damaging to hearing. Rode it for 10 years.

I sometimes would go on group rides with Harley owners and before starting my bike, I’d jokingly warn them to cover their ears and apologize in advance for my “loud pipes.”

I’m down to one bike now. Indian Roadmaster. Enjoy the gentle rumble of a V twin on backroads and admire the vintage styling, especially the skirted front fender. Amazing how often people walk over and comment on it at gas stations.
 
BabyBoomer50s said:
Same. An engineering marvel. Power, speed, agility, reliability, and comfort. I appreciated how quiet it was too. A lot of riders don’t realize how prolonged ambient noise can be damaging to hearing. Rode it for 10 years.

I sometimes would go on group rides with Harley owners and before starting my bike, I’d jokingly warn them to cover their ears and apologize in advance for my “loud pipes.”

I’m down to one bike now. Indian Roadmaster. Enjoy the gentle rumble of a V twin on backroads and admire the vintage styling, especially the skirted front fender. Amazing how often people walk over and comment on it at gas stations.
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You just glide from place to place. I was never into the noise factor. Harley’s we’re beautiful bikes but I enjoyed the comfort of my radio and long rides in comfort.
 
icanhelp1 said:
You just glide from place to place. I was never into the noise factor. Harley’s we’re beautiful bikes but I enjoyed the comfort of my radio and long rides in comfort.
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Yeah. And stock Harleys (as well as Indians and metric V twins from Japan) are not loud.

It’s the guys that install aftermarket loud pipes. Bad for their ears and frankly, annoying to everyone around.
 
Comshaw said:
BAWAHAHA! Really? Are you being real or did you fall on your head? How many times have you engaged with 'arpy? And how many times in all those engagements did he make sense or apologize when he was wrong? Yeah...


Comshaw
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You may not be aware of my posting history with Rapey. It's been apparent for years he's an irredeemably hyperpartisan fuckhead.
 
@Lazaran nobody is requiring you to pray. Why are you so offended by asking people to do so? Why are you trying to force the rest of us to conform with your beliefs?
 
SkyBubble said:
@Lazaran nobody is requiring you to pray. Why are you so offended by asking people to do so? Why are you trying to force the rest of us to conform with your beliefs?
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Don't you understand? Merely asking for him to take a moment is violence and that justifies whatever he feels like doing in return.
 
Remember how the 2017 congressional baseball shooting by a Bernie Sanders supporter got spun as "right-wing" by some corners until facts emerged? Thie left is pulling the same trick now, expecting us to forget.

Authorities recovered a bolt-action rifle Robinson abandoned, along with shell casings engraved with explicitly anti-fascist messages like "Hey fascist! Catch!" (accompanied by the three-arrows anti-Nazi symbol), "Oh bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao ciao ciao" (a WWII Italian partisan anthem against Mussolini's fascism), and even some Gen Z/gamer slang like "Notices, bulges, OwO what's this?"—none of which scream "right-wing." Robinson's Discord chats showed him ranting about Kirk as a "fascist." Groypers typically criticize Kirk and similar mainstream conservatives (e.g., those at Turning Point USA) as "cuckservatives." not fascists.

"Hey, Fascist! Catch!" has no known connection to Fuentes or his movement. “Fascist” is mostly a left-wing insult in their eyes. Groypers see it as something liberals, mainstream conservatives, or “the establishment” throw around to shut down debate. “Hey, fascist! Catch!” doesn’t align with groyper rhetoric. Groypers, followers of Nick Fuentes’ so-called “America First” movement (which is actually the opposite), often embrace or ironically reclaim the “fascist” label. They’ll often mock the word itself -- like “lol everything’s fascist if you disagree with them” -- so they don’t typically deploy it seriously as an insult against others.

Prominent groypers, such as podcaster Connor Betts (aka "Pinesap"), have self-identified as fascist without apparent shame. A groyper using such slogans would be highly inconsistent with their worldview, which often mocks or vilifies anti-fascist movements like Antifa.

The three arrows were designed in 1932 by Sergei Chakhotin, a Russian-born socialist, and adopted by the Iron Front, a German paramilitary group formed by the Social Democratic Party (SPD) to counter the rising Nazi Party, as well as monarchists and communists. The arrows, pointing downward and to the left, symbolized opposition to three enemies: fascism (Nazis), monarchism, and communism. It is often used by Antifa. The Social Democrats are on the left.

"Bella Ciao" is an Italian anti-fascist song often used by Antifa. It has no known connection to Fuentes or Groypers.

Robinson’s shell casings, with their anti-Nazi three-arrows symbol and partisan anthem references, are straight out of the Antifa playbook.

A friend, family members, and the Governor all say he was a leftist. Robinson's high school friend described Robinson's political beliefs as "pretty left on everything" and noted he was "the only member of his family that was really leftist." During a family dinner shortly before the shooting, Robinson discussed Charlie Kirk critically, calling his views "full of hate and spreading hate," A groyper wouldn’t call a conservative “full of hate.” That phrasing is very liberal-coded — it sounds like MSNBC or an Antifa flyer. Groypers define themselves against that rhetorical frame. They want to be the ones accused of “hate” (because then they can say the establishment is trying to silence them).

The consistent portrayal from peers and family paints him as ideologically left-leaning in a conservative household.

(The report on the friend comes from The Guardian, a left-leaning paper. Its editorial stance often aligns with progressive or center-left positions—supporting social justice, climate action, and critiques of conservative figures or policies. Studies, like a 2018 YouGov poll, show that its readership in the UK leans heavily toward Labour and Liberal Democrats, with about 40% identifying as left-wing. The report is against their ideological interest.)

The claim that Fuentes called Kirk fascist is all based on second-hand information.

If somebody from a nice Republican family shows up with three arrows, shouting “Hey, fascist!” and accusing conservatives of being “full of hate” — that really does fit the outlier leftist in a conservative household profile.

If later a left-leaning publication says their source confirms he was “pretty far left on everything” and “the only leftist in the family,” that lines up exactly with what we’d expect. Groypers don’t use those words or symbols -- they hate them. So regardless of family background, the behavior tracks left-wing/antifascist, not groyper.

The alt-right’s collectivist, conflict-driven approach (e.g., race as a unifying struggle) mimics Marxist structures. Both woke left and alt-right are identity-based, not individual-based. Both see society as fundamentally about group conflict. The alt-right’s worldview is explicitly identity-based, emphasizing racial hierarchies and cultural exclusivity, often framing whites as victims of multiculturalism. This mirrors, in structure, the progressive left’s focus on identity groups.

Both Marxists and the alt-right seek to collapse society to impose their own visions. The alt-right isn’t truly “right.” Liberal democracy is the essence of what's called "right wing" philosophy. It's rooted in protecting the values that have worked for millennia, a free economy, government that restricts itself to (in Russell Kirk's words) "provid[ing] a tolerable degree of order so that liberty may flourish," and a strong, but not intrusive foreign and defense policy. It prefers equality under the law to "equity" and individual rights to groups. It si communitarian, but in a non-collectivist way. Marxists and alt-rightists oppose all of that.

The alt-right often critiques unchecked capitalism, favoring protectionist or statist policies. For instance, Spencer’s National Policy Institute opposes free markets. Marxists advocate abolishing private property and capitalism.

The alt-right envisions a strong state. The alt-right prioritizes group identity, as the "woke" left also does.

Both reject the old-school “legitimate right” (limited government, rule of law, individual liberty, free markets). They’re mirror-image tribal movements competing to replace classical liberalism and traditional conservatism.
 
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LilKitKat said:
just protecting himself in case you gun toting lunatics take a pot shot at him cuz you know..."worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment"
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He’s up for the death penalty. That would be a better death.
 
AnomalyLady said:
Does anyone have a video of what Charlie was saying before he was shot?
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Don’t have the vid but he was answering a question about Trans…speculation was it may have been timed to coincide with the shot. That has NOT been verified…just questioned.
 
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