Category Opinons.

[RejectReality]

I'm usually the one offering ideas, but this time I'm tossing one out there.

I usually don't post any bi-male or bi-male adjacent stuff here, because there's just no good category for it. I've got one short stroke story that's been doing really well elsewhere, and I'm thinking about tossing it out here for shits and giggles.

I call this one bi-male adjacent because he is actually bi, but it's entirely M/F — with the exception of the strap-on. It's a pegging story, fulfilling a secret fantasy she's had for a very long time. She's bi as well, which is why she has a strap-on in the first place. I'm leaning toward Fetish, but also considering Toys&Masturbation. It is centered on the strap-on, even though it isn't involved in the entire scene. It was an easy choice elsewhere with a strap-on category and a far more welcoming climate for bi-male, but here I'm wavering between those two. It technically could go in the grab-bag of EC, but with the specific kink, I think it needs a more specific categorization.

Fetish has potential for a larger readership in my experience, but it can also be hit and miss. It's something of a grab-bag category due to the wide variety of kinks on offer within, so it could wash with the numbers in T&M if it hits on a day when the right people aren't online looking for it. The title is "Got Me Pegged" so it calls out the kink directly.

Thoughts?

 

[SimonDoom]

I'd probably go with Fetish unless you want to make a particularly big deal of the strap-on itself. Like there's something special about the toy. In that case, go with Toys. I'd avoid EC because it's too blah a category and tends not to get as many readers, and your story sounds too edgy for it.

 

[KeithD]

There is no good home for bi stories here at Literotica. It would actually need to have at least two categories: female-perspective bi and male-perspective bi.

My bi stories are male-perspective bi (I may have one or two that are female perspective just because I like to hit all of the niches, but I can't think of any of them). I've been experimenting where the male-perspective bi stories best would be placed, Gay Male or Group, and overwhelmingly they've gotten the best reception in Gay Male. Any gay male action would make the story as problematically placed in Fetish as in Group, I've found. I haven't gotten objecting comments; I've just gotten more downratings.

The scenario you set up--little or no actual gay male action--might make yours acceptable for Group.

The bottom line, though, is that Literotica does not give a good home for bi stories.

 

[RejectReality]

I'd probably go with Fetish unless you want to make a particularly big deal of the strap-on itself. Like there's something special about the toy. In that case, go with Toys. I'd avoid EC because it's too blah a category and tends not to get as many readers, and your story sounds too edgy for it.

I do make a fairly big deal of the toy, having him suck it for her before the pegging starts, and I call it "her cock" throughout that part of the scene. That's the dominant action, though it does end with a less detailed account of her sitting on his face, and a final tag suggesting she stuff him with a vibrating butt plug and control it with the remote while he fucks her silly.

I think it qualifies for T&M, but I think it pushes the squick button a little too hard for that category. Fetish has a lot more edgy content, which is why I'm leaning that way despite the potential coin-toss of reader engagement.

 

[SimonDoom]

I do make a fairly big deal of the toy, having him suck it for her before the pegging starts, and I call it "her cock" throughout that part of the scene. That's the dominant action, though it does end with a less detailed account of her sitting on his face, and a final tag suggesting she stuff him with a vibrating butt plug and control it with the remote while he fucks her silly.

I think it qualifies for T&M, but I think it pushes the squick button a little too hard for that category. Fetish has a lot more edgy content, which is why I'm leaning that way despite the potential coin-toss of reader engagement.

I would go with your gut on that. You know the emphasis of the story better than anyone, and you've been around long enough to know the category landscape as well as anyone.

 

[RejectReality]

There is no good home for bi stories here at Literotica. It would actually need to have at least two categories: female-perspective bi and male-perspective bi.

My bi stories are male-perspective bi (I may have one or two that are female perspective just because I like to hit all of the niches, but I can't think of any of them). I've been experimenting where the male-perspective bi stories best would be placed, Gay Male or Group, and overwhelmingly they've gotten the best reception in Gay Male. Any gay male action would make the story as problematically placed in Fetish as in Group, I've found. I haven't gotten objecting comments; I've just gotten more downratings.

The scenario you set up--little or no actual gay male action--might make yours acceptable for Group.

The bottom line, though, is that Literotica does not give a good home for bi stories.

There's no actual M/M contact, but it strongly calls out that's he's no stranger to the real thing. It's more than enough to give anybody who doesn't like M/M stuff the heebie-jeebies.

Group is out because it's only the two of them, and not even a hint of adding anyone else.

Although my head canon says that the lead singer of the band they went to support at the bar in the setup has shared his bed more than once, and it could turn into a threesome if I would ever get a hankering to continue it. Doubtful, because the point of the story was fulfilling her fantasy, and any continuation would just be additional sex scenes, which leaves me trying to find something to resolve. Most of my resolutions in this name are just "they fucked", but after they've already done it once, there's no tension in that going forward. Something else needs to be introduced to motivate me. Most of the scenarios I can think of are too heavy for an RR story.

I wholeheartedly agree that there's no good place for bi-male here. It's going to suffer backlash no matter where you put it, and in most cases, it will be strong. This has the additional headwind of being short ( a little over 3k words ) which isn't an optimal performing length for me here. I'm just in a fuck it mood and prepared for the likely downward pressure. It's the #1 story in the category on the site it was written for, so it does have that going for it.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

Fetish sounds good - I have a m/f story Gas Station Guy (tagline: "Gay virgin mistakes her for a man" - then introduced with "He's a gay virgin. She's a crap lesbian or filthy bisexual, depending on who you ask. It's late, and she's out of milk." I went for EC but Laurel put it in Fetish.

It's got a strap-on but no pegging happens.

Most of my stories have discussion of bisexuality and/or BDSM in them even if they don't have that content. I tend to mention that fact up front, and while I'm sure it cuts down the number of readers, it doesn't seem to affect scores.

 

[RejectReality]

Fetish sounds good - I have a m/f story Gas Station Guy (tagline: "Gay virgin mistakes her for a man" - then introduced with "He's a gay virgin. She's a crap lesbian or filthy bisexual, depending on who you ask. It's late, and she's out of milk." I went for EC but Laurel put it in Fetish.

It's got a strap-on but no pegging happens.

Most of my stories have discussion of bisexuality and/or BDSM in them even if they don't have that content. I tend to mention that fact up front, and while I'm sure it cuts down the number of readers, it doesn't seem to affect scores.

Bi isn't a problem... So long as the bisexual person is female. LOL There's a massive difference in the way those two are received throughout the site.

I was already leaning, but 3 votes for Fetish is a strong push. I'll let this play out for a while longer as I'm fixing the aspect ratio of my series covers. ( never do math in your head after a long night of work, and then assume your first bad math was right for several days and perpetuate the mistake. )

 

[yowser]

Bi isn't a problem... So long as the bisexual person is female. LOL

I think this is bull's-eye right. It has been a multi-year process of discovery finding out how the various neighborhoods of Lit readers react to stories. (Stories!)

One corner of my perverse brain is trying to figure out how to get a (male) bi-ending story into LW just to see what sort of thermonuclear reaction can be provoked.

I'll join others and suggest Fetish as likely the best category. Good luck.

 

[lovecraft68]

Fetish is easily the best option IMO

 

[RejectReality]

Fetish is easily the best option IMO

And, we're up to five. Only a few cover fixes left to go. I guess I'll be hopping directly into my sig ad for the story after that. Then I'm going to tweak a couple of lines in the story. There's a point where I need him to hear something in the setup, but the context around it doesn't really allow for that. A little addition should clear that right up, and add an extra touch of humor as well.

 

[jsmiam]

Devil’s advocate: (sidestepping other topics that would still be worthy of 3 pages of forum debate…)

Does the male really need to be bi? Playing along when he meets a girl nicknamed “Peg” but whose real name isn’t Margaret doesn’t mean have to mean he’s bi.

Just a thought.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

I just wrote and submitted a story(gee how long has it been), and the whole thing is a day dream, standard m/f, I just put it in fetish, since nothing else sounded right.

 

[RejectReality]

Devil’s advocate: (sidestepping other topics that would still be worthy of 3 pages of forum debate…)

Does the male really need to be bi? Playing along when he meets a girl nicknamed “Peg” but whose real name isn’t Margaret doesn’t mean have to mean he’s bi.

Just a thought.

The story has been finished for ages. That's something too central to the idea for me to be willing to change it anyway. That's why I originally wasn't going to post it here.

I ended up submitting it to Fetish yesterday. We'll see how it plays. Just checked and it's dated for the 15th.

 

[RejectReality]

And the answer is... Meh. LOL Score isn't bad, but the numbers are rather anemic otherwise. Page 2 of the main new story list. One of 5 new today in Fetish. ( Only 1 story in T&M today, which was my other primary option ) All things considered, when it's a 1 page story with content that has high squick potential — I'll take it.

 

[jehoram]

When you submit your story, be sure to tell Laurel about you concern concerning categories, and let her determine where the story should be on the site. She'll make the last call, anyway, but it might help you define where future stories should go.

 

[AWhoopsieDaisy]

This is exactly why I think gay male and lesbian shouldn't be categories. I think a far better way to integrate LGBTQ content on Litty is to require authors to select from a separate bubble menu, what gender pairings appear in a story. Each gender pairing would have a corresponding icon that would appear next to the category in listing. This would allow LGBTQ stories to better place stories into genres that actually say something about the narrative structure.

Currently readers opening a gay male or lesbian story are basically reaching into a bag with a blindfold on.

For those who don't understand why Gay Male is not a descriptive category, imagine if every heterosexual story was placed or heavily encouraged to place themselves in a category labeled "Boy Meets Girl"

Everything from non-con to romance would be in this category so long as the main pairing is between a man and a woman.

Also it would take away the surprise element so readers would always know going into a story whether its gay, lesbian, hetero, F/F/M Ect.

 

[RejectReality]

This is exactly why I think gay male and lesbian shouldn't be categories. I think a far better way to integrate LGBTQ content on Litty is to require authors to select from a separate bubble menu, what gender pairings appear in a story. Each gender pairing would have a corresponding icon that would appear next to the category in listing. This would allow LGBTQ stories to better place stories into genres that actually say something about the narrative structure.

Currently readers opening a gay male or lesbian story are basically reaching into a bag with a blindfold on.

For those who don't understand why Gay Male is not a descriptive category, imagine if every heterosexual story was placed or heavily encouraged to place themselves in a category labeled "Boy Meets Girl"

Everything from non-con to romance would be in this category so long as the main pairing is between a man and a woman.

Also it would take away the surprise element so readers would always know going into a story whether its gay, lesbian, hetero, F/F/M Ect.

What I've heard is that something like this is the plan. The pairings will be the top level, with the existing categories under it, so you can have Lesbian Romance, Gay Sci-Fi, Bisexual Mature, or whatever. I believe the existing LS, GM, and T&CD categories would remain, which would be useful to provide a home for stories with wide varieties of kinks.

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On a completely different note, I need to change my calculus with regards to the Fetish category. The daily submissions have exploded on the back of cuckold offerings chased there by the LW haters. That pushes new stories off the list more quickly, and severely degrades the readership potential in an already dicey category. I still think it was the right choice for this story, but the change in dynamics could tip the scales for other ideas that don't have quite the edge this one did.

 

[ElectricBlue]

On a completely different note, I need to change my calculus with regards to the Fetish category. The daily submissions have exploded on the back of cuckold offerings chased there by the LW haters. That pushes new stories off the list more quickly, and severely degrades the readership potential in an already dicey category. I still think it was the right choice for this story, but the change in dynamics could tip the scales for other ideas that don't have quite the edge this one did.

Seriously? Since when is cuckolding a fetish? They should fuck off back to their own category and leave Fetish for your traditional fetishes like feet, stockings, breast feeding, hairiness, that kind of thing. You know, normal fetishes. Not cuckoldry. What's the world coming to?

 

[RejectReality]

Seriously? Since when is cuckolding a fetish? They should fuck off back to their own category and leave Fetish for your traditional fetishes like feet, stockings, breast feeding, hairiness, that kind of thing. You know, normal fetishes. Not cuckoldry. What's the world coming to?

Haters in LW have spend a decade or better in a relentless, coordinated effort of telling authors to fuck off to Fetish with their "sick cuck fantasies". Enough people took that advice to heart, got less hate, and set a precedent for others to follow, it seems. It's a trend that looks as if it's being rewarded by the readership, so it's not changing any time soon.

I think some of the more popular fetishes like feet and such can cut through the static, but a lot of things are going to get reduced to the smaller audience almost exclusively seeking out very specific kinks.

 

[yukonnights]

This seems an appropriate thread to drop in my own minor conundrum; I'm working on a "swinger" story which would normally go into the Group Sex category. However, it so happens that both couples have both bi-husband & bi-wife characters. At this point, I'm counting on the Group Sex category. I'd appreciate any thoughts on that. I have an introduction which forewarns readers of the potential same-sex content, which should turn away anyone who is bothered by such content. Not a big deal, just thought I'd ask.

 

[Lady2020]

FWIW, categories suck. Lit's free speech stance means any jackass can post whatever story they want in any category.

 

[RejectReality]

This seems an appropriate thread to drop in my own minor conundrum; I'm working on a "swinger" story which would normally go into the Group Sex category. However, it so happens that both couples have both bi-husband & bi-wife characters. At this point, I'm counting on the Group Sex category. I'd appreciate any thoughts on that. I have an introduction which forewarns readers of the potential same-sex content, which should turn away anyone who is bothered by such content. Not a big deal, just thought I'd ask.

I think group is your only real option. The readership is slightly more tolerant of M/M than most categories, and the warning should help, but steel yourself for some potential blowback. F/F content isn't a worry. That's the double standard of all double standards right there.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

This seems an appropriate thread to drop in my own minor conundrum; I'm working on a "swinger" story which would normally go into the Group Sex category. However, it so happens that both couples have both bi-husband & bi-wife characters. At this point, I'm counting on the Group Sex category. I'd appreciate any thoughts on that. I have an introduction which forewarns readers of the potential same-sex content, which should turn away anyone who is bothered by such content. Not a big deal, just thought I'd ask.

Sounds fine, with an intro line mentioning that the story contains four bisexuals. Or "male and female bisexuals", for the more hard of thinking.

 

[RejectReality]

And sometimes no amount of sign-posts will matter. Mine's tagged as bisexual male. The description line says "and she finds out he's bi." The opening narrative establishes that the rumor mill at work says he's gay. He says that he's bi in conversation before the sex scene starts.

Still get "And that's how you lose a follower" for the unwelcome surprise. I have to assume that's it, because I have both a GM and T&CD story in my list. If it was just ewwww! U rite ghey shit! they would have already run for the hills. Either they missed all the neon warning signs, or they refuse to condone the mere suggestion of M/M sex outside those two categories.