Categories that you have or always will avoid

[EmilyMiller]

99% of mind control is trash, but every so often there's a gem, and it can be fun to write.

I’m a fan of the octopus mind control sub-genre

Em

 

[alohadave]

99% of mind control is trash, but every so often there's a gem, and it can be fun to write.

This is true of most of the stuff here (and I count myself in this). Finding the gems makes it worthwhile.

 

[John_Vandermeer]

Watching this thread, to me the most surprising things is the tone of some of the answers. Though incomplete, there is a whole range of sexual interests represented on Lit. Most I wont ever write, because I have no interest in them. Not worth it for me even as a challenge, since I most likely I wont have fun. But my general attitude is, to each his/her/their own. Thinly veiled, or completely unveiled, disgusts I do not understand. I may, on occasion, find something amusing. But I try to not find anything disgusting.

By definition, in Lit, things like I/T and NC/R are fantasies. So what is the problem? At risk of opening a huge can of worms, even in real life, it is debatable that all I/T has a victim. So long as there is no procreation, and age of consent lines are not crossed over, does it really matter what some consenting people undoubtedly get up to in their family get togethers? Just a question.

NC/R might be tricker. But then again, I do believe some genuinely want to feel loss of control in their sexual interactions. It might be ConsensualNC rather than NC of course. But in my mind those that feel like that are entitled to their kink too. To live it, write it and read it, without others holding their nose to avoid the "stench".

Just my view.

 

[EmilyMiller]

NC/R might be tricker. But then again, I do believe some genuinely want to feel loss of control in their sexual interactions. It might be ConsensualNC rather than NC of course. But in my mind those that feel like that are entitled to their kink too. To live it, write it and read it, without others holding their nose to avoid the "stench".

This is really, really simple.

CNC is probably really more BDSM and not rape
(I never felt any BDSM situation came anywhere in the vicinity of NC - YMMV, some like the mental subjugation aspect, not me).

NC is rape. People should be honest about it. If they get off on the idea of raping someone or being raped by someone, say that. Fantasy is a smoke screen. The desire that is being pandered to is a real desire. Even if writer or reader doesn’t act on it.

I’m in a monogamous, heterosexual relationship. I still am super attracted to [some] women. Is that a fantasy? No it’s a real desire. I have no intention of acting on it, but to say it’s just a fantasy is obfuscation.

If people would just admit the actual desires that they have or the desires of their target audience, then we could have a more sensible discussion.

Actual rape is not a kink. It’s a felony. There is a reason for that.

Please stop saying people who dislike NC are closed off to experiences. I’m willing to bet I’ve done ten times more shit sexually in my life than the average person. It doesn’t make intentionally damaging a person psychologically or physically OK. And that goes for extreme BDSM, cutting, mutilation, beating until bleeding etc. That’s assault, not sex play.

Em

 

[AlinaX]

I think as long as the stories are clear fantasies of mutual pleasure, then objections are mostly legal or philosophical. Where stories glorify emotional and physical violence, you have to ask whether it can really be classed as erotic fiction. If your kink is to see another person spiritually broken, then maybe that is a problem.

Loving Wives needs a makeover. Celebrate the Bitches.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I think as long as the stories are clear fantasies of mutual pleasure, then objections are mostly legal or philosophical.

Yes. I agree. But then that’s CNC, not NC.

Where stories glorify emotional and physical violence, you have to ask whether it can really be classed as erotic fiction. If your kink is to see another person spiritually broken, then maybe that is a problem.

What he said.

Loving Wives needs a makeover. Celebrate the Bitches.

 

[SimonDoom]

NC is rape. People should be honest about it. If they get off on the idea of raping someone or being raped by someone, say that. Fantasy is a smoke screen. The desire that is being pandered to is a real desire. Even if writer or reader doesn’t act on it.

What is this based on? What is your evidence? I think this is just making stuff up. This is part of the problem with the dialogue that takes place in this forum about kinks people don't like: people cling to narratives about what they think is true, regardless of evidence. They cannot imagine that reality does not conform to what personally turns them on and turns them off.

There's a significant body of evidence that women have rape fantasies. That doesn't mean they actually desire to be raped. You are COMPLETELY wrong about this, and it's an important point here. Human psychology is complicated, and I think it's incredibly important in a forum like this to resist and defy reductionist efforts like this.

Nobody is obligated to "say" anything just because it conforms to your own particular views of things. Let people have their fantasies on their own terms.

 

[John_Vandermeer]

This is really, really simple.

CNC is probably really more BDSM and not rape
(I never felt any BDSM situation came anywhere in the vicinity of NC - YMMV, some like the mental subjugation aspect, not me).

NC is rape. People should be honest about it. If they get off on the idea of raping someone or being raped by someone, say that. Fantasy is a smoke screen. The desire that is being pandered to is a real desire. Even if writer or reader doesn’t act on it.

I’m in a monogamous, heterosexual relationship. I still am super attracted to [some] women. Is that a fantasy? No it’s a real desire. I have no intention of acting on it, but to say it’s just a fantasy is obfuscation.

If people would just admit the actual desires that they have or the desires of their target audience, then we could have a more sensible discussion.

Actual rape is not a kink. It’s a felony. There is a reason for that.

Please stop saying people who dislike NC are closed off to experiences. I’m willing to bet I’ve done ten times more shit sexually in my life than the average person. It doesn’t make intentionally damaging a person psychologically or physically OK. And that goes for extreme BDSM, cutting, mutilation, beating until bleeding etc. That’s assault, not sex play.

Em

By definition, everything on Lit is CNC or reluctance. True NC is not allowed, the name of the category notwithstanding. I do not think anybody is defending rape. Certainly I am not. Though we also have to acknowledge rape does make it into fiction. Just not on Lit.

 

[AlinaX]

By definition, everything on Lit is CNC or reluctance. True NC is not allowed

Um. No.

 

[AlinaX]

There's a significant body of evidence that women have rape fantasies. That doesn't mean they actually desire to be raped. You are COMPLETELY wrong about this, and it's an important point here. Human psychology is complicated, and I think it's incredibly important in a forum like this to resist and defy reductionist efforts like this.

There is a huge psychological difference between fantasies of being raped and fantasies of raping.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Wow! Just used the ignore button for the first time on AH (many times elsewhere). Sad really. I thought this place was more of a haven.

Oh well.

Em

 

[AlinaX]

I write Non Con, Mind Control and Incest, and a lot of it is problematic as hell.

 

[SimonDoom]

There is a huge psychological difference between fantasies of being raped and fantasies of raping.

Yes, but they're alike in this way: they're both fantasies.

 

[AlinaX]

Yes, but they're alike in this way: they're both fantasies.

That's an oversimplification.

 

[SimonDoom]

That's an oversimplification.

It's a simplification, but it's not an oversimplification. It's true.

There are people who fantasize about being raped who don't really want to be raped.

There are people who fantasize about raping who don't really want to rape.

Both of these things are true.

This I believe: there is nothing intrinsically wrong with fantasies, whatever they are. No matter how awful. It's fantasy. It's a space to let go of normal constraints and imagine things without consequence. There's nothing wrong with it.

 

[Nightspeed]

I haven't written anything yet, though I entertain the idea. I can imagine and then write stories about experiences I've not been lucky enough to have yet because I have friends who have and I can draw from theirs. The only things I WON'T write about are stories involving anything to do with feces or minors.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I haven't written anything yet, though I entertain the idea. I can imagine and then write stories about experiences I've not been lucky enough to have yet because I have friends who have and I can draw from theirs. The only things I WON'T write about are stories involving anything to do with feces or minors.

No diaper changing stories for you then .

Em

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Never say "never". I feel the same way about the topic, however, having direct familial experience with the realities. Nearly all categories here dispense with reality, but with incest, like NC/R, the fantasy diverges from the real world in very unhealthy ways.

That said, I have an incest piece in the mill that is not in any way sexy or fun. It is a telling of an IRL story of lives irreversibly damaged and a family torn apart at the deepest levels. It may or may not see the light of day, provided I have the guts to finish it. The IRL protagonist is long-deceased and the antagonist is such a vile human being I shouldn't care, but I do care about the individual at the center, and remain reluctant to publish as long as they are in my life.

True incest is tough for me to get my head and soul around, but I've been able to do a few stories.

That's why I teetered on the very edge by writing a series about a man having sex with his brother's stepdaughters. There was no blood relationship and even a questionable familial relationship. The series could have gone into any of several other categories, but it is doing well in I/T so I can't complain.

 

[AlinaX]

As someone who has often strayed to the dark side of erotic fiction, I can tell you that it is corrosive both to read and to write.

 

[Nightspeed]

No diaper changing stories for you then .

Em

It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make!

 

[John_Vandermeer]

As someone who has often strayed to the dark side of erotic fiction, I can tell you that it is corrosive both to read and to write.

Heck. I can cry on a good tragic romance. But what would the world be without it!?

 

[SimonDoom]

As someone who has often strayed to the dark side of erotic fiction, I can tell you that it is corrosive both to read and to write.

Your experience is as valid as anyone else's, but it's not universal. It's not mine.

 

[gunhilltrain]

There are some of these where I feel I have no relevant experience. Most obviously:

1. Exhibitionist & Voyeur
2. Gay Male
3. Transgender and Crossdressing

There are some where the category has featured in some of my stories, but not as a central theme, e.g.:

1. Erotic Horror
2. Group Sex
3. Humor and Satire
4. Mature
5. Non Human

There is one I kinda object to being a category:

1. Interracial Sex - that just sex, right?

There are a few I’m just not that interested in:

1. Audio
2. Celebrities & Fan Fic
3. Chain Stories
4. How to
5. Illustrated - though a collaboration with someone who can draw might be interesting

And the there are a few I really don’t like:

1. Loving Wives
2. Mind Control
3. Non Consent / Reluctance

My list is not comprehensive (e.g. Reviews & Essays is absent as are others).

What about you?

Em

I'm going to skip over the other 120 or so responses because, well, I just don't have the time. But since you asked:

I think I have one each in Exhibitionist, Gay Male, and Transgender. For the first one, it's completely a fantasy in a woman's head. She is indeed walking around the streets with a skirt and no panties just to see what it feels like. Kingsbridge Heights for those who care. For the second two, I just winged it. Surprisingly, Transgender was my most popular submission ever.

Celebrities and Fan Fiction: I just had one of those. Also my extremely unpopular Valerie Solanas series.

Loving Wives: Yes, twice. Two further sequels for those went into EC. (Thus four chapters, you might call them.)

Non-consent: One, but it was a completely planned and staged role play.

Non-human: Technically once, but I didn't call it that because I didn't want to spoil the surprise. Well, like The Sixth Sense, anybody reading closely could figure it out before the end.

Reviews and Essays: I like that because I can go on about almost anything, usually some kind of memoir. Ten or so at least.

Mind control: Once on another site. Really didn't like the unpleasant vibe it had.

Oh yeah, one in Humor and Satire that was based on another guy's story who gave me permission to use it. He was very pleased with the results.

 

[stickygirl]

It never ceases to amaze me how squickish and squeamish so many Literotica authors are.

I'm troubled that you are amazed. Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to police other people's emotions?

wrt to rape and/or incest and other troubling moral topics, there can be no doubt that exposure to it, has a numbing effect on the consumer; porn addiction is a recognised mental illness as much as gambling. OTOH numerous studies have 'proved' that violent video games do not desensitise 'normal' people, resulting in them committing, oh I dunno, maybe a school shooting with a AR15? Normal people can distinguish between a story written for its titillation and reality, but there's no gatekeeping over who reads it. You either ban it all or let the dice fall as they may.

Rape has always happened and will always be a sexual fantasy. The problem doesn't lie in misogynistic attitudes in society that are reinforced by porn, but in the total failure of law enforcement and courts to take the crime seriously. Happily as responsible authors we have the opportunity to look further than five minute video clips with titles like 'She gets reamed by a black bull' or 'Old man tricks first-timer to take it up the ass'.

 

[SimonDoom]

I'm troubled that you are amazed. Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to police other people's emotions?

Let's be clear about who's doing the policing. Not me. People are free to have, and to express, their emotions. What they're not free to do is to claim, without rebuttal, that their emotions and kinky likes and dislikes are a basis for establishing universal rules about what other people do or say or write or read, like, "If you like rape stories, then admit you really want to rape people." That's B.S. Perfectly normal, healthy people can like very twisted erotica.