Categories that you have or always will avoid

[K0fcali]

There are some of these where I feel I have no relevant experience. Most obviously:

1. Exhibitionist & Voyeur
2. Gay Male
3. Transgender and Crossdressing

There are some where the category has featured in some of my stories, but not as a central theme, e.g.:

1. Erotic Horror
2. Group Sex
3. Humor and Satire
4. Mature
5. Non Human

There is one I kinda object to being a category:

1. Interracial Sex - that just sex, right?

There are a few I’m just not that interested in:

1. Audio
2. Celebrities & Fan Fic
3. Chain Stories
4. How to
5. Illustrated - though a collaboration with someone who can draw might be interesting

And the there are a few I really don’t like:

1. Loving Wives
2. Mind Control
3. Non Consent / Reluctance

My list is not comprehensive (e.g. Reviews & Essays is absent as are others).

What about you?

Em

If interracial is just sex same could be said about incest and age gaps

 

[EmilyMiller]

If interracial is just sex same could be said about incest and age gaps

Age gaps I agree (backed up by personal experience). Incest, not so much.

Em

 

[K0fcali]

Age gaps I agree (backed up by personal experience). Incest, not so much.

Em

Yeah incest is a bit extreme.

 

[lc69hunter]

So... since the only cure for speculation is data, I published The Flip Side in interracial and I'm going down in flames

I think it would have gotten to a H elsewhere, given past experience. I guess I just missed the brief, but I'm getting zero feedback as well.

I just read it and gave it a 5. Your problem was that you didn't check off all the boxes the average IR reader expects to see.

 

[AchtungNight]

No Scat or BDSM here. Not personally into gay porn either, though I'm ok with people who are. My brother's gay, and I support him as who he wants to be. At least one story I've really liked has featured gay male sex as a side plot. Domination games also bother me, though some light play with them has been ok from time to time. Definitely not into snuff or rape, thankfully little of that here.

 

[oneagainst]

I just read it and gave it a 5. Your problem was that you didn't check off all the boxes the average IR reader expects to see.

Thanks for the review!! What boxes did I miss? There was a loving relationship full of consent between man and wife, a happy ending, the husband was black and physically much larger than his wife who was blonde and I made at least two mentions of his undercarriage using the word 'substantial'. There was even oral sex alongside the usual and an attempt at believable dialogue in a family setting. What more? What do these want? Tentacle monsters?!

 

[EmilyMiller]

I’d mentioned my work-in-progress prostitution story. Published today:

Off The Shoulder

Em

 

[Codoc24]

I could never write Gay male, Transgender, or cross dressing.

As a straight CIS male, I don't know that I'd be able to capture those kinds of tales honestly.

I haven't attempted Non Human; unless I come up with a truly unique idea (like you did, @EmilyMiller ) I'm not gonna try.

I have a half written story that's SORTA Mind Control; my male character develops the ability, not to CONTROL minds so much as manipulate emotions. And as he discovers these abilities he's certainly fretting over them. Because he's a good guy and doesn't want to be a rapist. Because forcing people is kinda creepy to me, too.

I've talked before about how my one story became a Non Con / Reluctant and how I wasn't really thrilled with that so I changed the ending to make it role-playing.

I'd be curious about making my own audio story; I was a DJ for many years, I have a good voice for it. But do women actually listen to the male narrated stories? I have no idea lol.

You should check out the website for audio erotica called Dipsea. It has lots of audio narrated by men and women.

Both of my stories are about a guy who had mind control but he is ethical about it and doesn't use his power to get a woman into bed. Once she willingly goes to bed with him though, he uses his power to give her mind-blowing orgasms.

 

[gunhilltrain]

So... since the only cure for speculation is data, I published The Flip Side in interracial and I'm going down in flames

I think it would have gotten to a H elsewhere, given past experience. I guess I just missed the brief, but I'm getting zero feedback as well.

Is it still at 3.89? That can be frustrating, but you still have three of your four engines turning. I've done quite a bit worse, and fairly often. When you're down to two engines, it might be time to bail out.

https://www.ww2research.com/wp-content/uploads/cache/0/031751d932c835bf8ac1946be415a7df.jpg

 

[oneagainst]

Is it still at 3.89? That can be frustrating, but you still have three of your four engines turning. I've done quite a bit worse, and fairly often. When you're down to two engines, it might be time to bail out.

https://www.ww2research.com/wp-content/uploads/cache/0/031751d932c835bf8ac1946be415a7df.jpg

Didn't think about it that way, but thanks!

 

[NoTalentHack]

Didn't think about it that way, but thanks!

So I finally got a chance to read it. It was, as expected from you, great. That said, here's my take on why it failed to get a good rating in IR, in my usual long, rambling post style.

IR is in many ways more conservative than LW, or at least differently conservative. They'll accept kinkier sex than in LW sometimes, but only if it goes with the grain of stereotypes/fetishes rather than against. 90% of the stuff in there is BBC cuckold stuff with either an exaggerated and thuggish ethnic stereotype or an alpha male, super successful black guy taking the white, blonde wife away from the average and small-dicked working guy. It doesn't necessarily do great, score-wise, as that stuff gets downvoted by the "no cucks" brigade just as it does elsewhere on the site. Doesn't help that it tends to be poorly written to begin with.

The rest of the content is mostly WMAF, most often with a submissive Asian wife's first time with a BWC. Every once in a while, you see the full-on dragon lady stereotype that might as well be coming from an old yellow peril pulp novel, but that's pretty rare. You don't see much any kind of femdom at all, even of the "soft power" kind, with the woman manipulating the man into a position of weakness, as opposed to him intentionally submitting.

Every once in a while, a sweet, romantic story shows up in there that handles racial issues and talks about differences, historical contexts, stereotypes and their validity (or invalidity), etc. in a way that is nuanced and sensitive. But those are as rare as hen's teeth; if you see one of those in a month, it's surprising. On top of that, the readers that like them often have the same kind of prejudices that Romance and LW have: no kinky shit.

And, of course, sometimes there's a great story in there that plays with the stereotypes while also lampshading them; Carly's WMAF Fantasy, especially the first three or four chapters before it becomes a pretty silly harem fantasy, does this: the MMC is a reluctantly dominant white man, and the FMC is an enthusiastically submissive Asian woman (par for the course in IR so far), but she's also big into raceplay and has to talk the MMC into it. They have discussions about consent, whether she actually believes any of it (she doesn't, it's just taboo and therefore a turn-on for her), and times when the MMC breaks character to check in. It's kinky as fuck and very loving, even though the story gets sillier and sillier as it goes on. Gave me the heebie jeebies at first, though.

So the first strike on The Flip Side is that it's between a loving, successful black man and his loving, successful white wife. That's not going to please the BBC cuck folks. The second strike is that, even though it's clear that their usual dynamic is maledom/femsub, the fact that they switch is going to turn off the ones that are very into the "standard" sexual stereotypes, i.e., men must be dominant. That dovetails into strike three, the analingus aspect. Some people don't like it at all, and even if they do, for many it HAS to be in the context of a woman rimming a man, or it's "gay shit." Every story I've had that included analingus has had comments about the man in the story being a closeted gay, or a beta male, or both. Remember guys: having sex with women except in very specific ways is gay. So both the switch/femdom aspects and the analingus stuff probably upset both the manly men and the romance enthusiasts.

I'm sure there's other stuff going into the lower score behind the scenes as well; I got negative comments on Cultural Exchanges and Meat Market, over in the Romance category, of a couple of other varieties. In the first, it was basically "stop writing white man/black woman stories, they're overdone" from someone who claimed to be a black woman. On The latter, it was basically "I'm downvoting this because it's another ridiculous example of black men and white women being happy together, which is unrealistic." Don't remember the exact wording, because I deleted the comment.

It's a shame that it's not doing as well as it should. People SHOULD be reading it. It's a great story that doesn't simply skip the racial dynamics involved, but discusses them in the context of a loving relationship and how they can influence things both big and small throughout it, down to the details of what people feel comfortable with in the bedroom. That probably made the downvoters very uncomfortable, too.

One last note: IR has changed as much as LW since the site's inception, and I'd argue in a worse way than LW, but for many of the same reasons. The BBC stuff has always been there, but a lot more of it was just... two people of different races getting together. It had the fetish-y quality to it, because... I mean, it was a fetish. But that was enough of a kink at the time, or at least a novelty. But just like Anal as a category is kind of quaint (even if it's still heavily read), and LW made a shift towards BTB and cuck stories as the notion of a cheating wife being somehow more transgressive than a cheating husband went away, IR turned more and more towards the grotesque parodies that populate it now.

In a weird way, though, that's almost a positive sign: it's just not that big of a deal anymore if two people of different races are in love, or even if they just want to spend some time together in bed. I'm not that old (I'm going to keep telling myself that), but I grew up in the American South and watched that positive societal transformation take place. And if it means that a Literotica category goes to shit? Small price to pay.

 

[djrip]

Some people don't like it at all, and even if they do, for many it HAS to be in the context of a woman rimming a man, or it's "gay shit." Every story I've had that included analingus has had comments about the man in the story being a closeted gay, or a beta male, or both. Remember guys: having sex with women except in very specific ways is gay.

I know when my nose is buried in wet pussy while I tongue her asshole, all I can think is 'god this is gay.'

In a weird way, though, that's almost a positive sign: it's just not that big of a deal anymore if two people of different races are in love, or even if they just want to spend some time together in bed. I'm not that old (I'm going to keep telling myself that), but I grew up in the American South and watched that positive societal transformation take place. And if it means that a Literotica category goes to shit? Small price to pay.

I've been thinking IR could be a place for some historical scenarios I've been pondering, treating the characters and racial dynamics (somewhat) seriously and thoughtfully. I mean maybe the audience would hate them but by category topic they might fit there.

White European woman captured by Barbary pirates, becomes odalisque to the sultan, seduced by him and his multi-ethnic wives because he doesn't want to be forceful with such an exotic creature.

Or, British woman lost on safari, 1800's, falls in with African tribesmen, they might be very conscientious and try to figure out who she is and where she came from and how they can help her, while she might get other ideas regarding one or more of them. Perhaps she would learn about their culture and end up not wanting to leave. I guess that same scenario works with Native Americans, with the added benefit that it really happened lots of times.

Antebellum South, need I say more. Opportunities there but I'm not sure I dare to take them. Master's daughter falls in love with a slave, seems like that would have a tragic ending. Master falls in love with female slave, she uses his feelings to help her and her real loved ones survive as slaves, but maybe eventually catches return feelings. Tricky, tricky. Too full of landmines, perhaps.

 

[oneagainst]

So I finally got a chance to read it. It was, as expected from you, great. That said, here's my take on why it failed to get a good rating in IR, in my usual long, rambling post style.

IR is in many ways more conservative than LW, or at least differently conservative. They'll accept kinkier sex than in LW sometimes, but only if it goes with the grain of stereotypes/fetishes rather than against. 90% of the stuff in there is BBC cuckold stuff with either an exaggerated and thuggish ethnic stereotype or an alpha male, super successful black guy taking the white, blonde wife away from the average and small-dicked working guy. It doesn't necessarily do great, score-wise, as that stuff gets downvoted by the "no cucks" brigade just as it does elsewhere on the site. Doesn't help that it tends to be poorly written to begin with.

The rest of the content is mostly WMAF, most often with a submissive Asian wife's first time with a BWC. Every once in a while, you see the full-on dragon lady stereotype that might as well be coming from an old yellow peril pulp novel, but that's pretty rare. You don't see much any kind of femdom at all, even of the "soft power" kind, with the woman manipulating the man into a position of weakness, as opposed to him intentionally submitting.

Every once in a while, a sweet, romantic story shows up in there that handles racial issues and talks about differences, historical contexts, stereotypes and their validity (or invalidity), etc. in a way that is nuanced and sensitive. But those are as rare as hen's teeth; if you see one of those in a month, it's surprising. On top of that, the readers that like them often have the same kind of prejudices that Romance and LW have: no kinky shit.

And, of course, sometimes there's a great story in there that plays with the stereotypes while also lampshading them; Carly's WMAF Fantasy, especially the first three or four chapters before it becomes a pretty silly harem fantasy, does this: the MMC is a reluctantly dominant white man, and the FMC is an enthusiastically submissive Asian woman (par for the course in IR so far), but she's also big into raceplay and has to talk the MMC into it. They have discussions about consent, whether she actually believes any of it (she doesn't, it's just taboo and therefore a turn-on for her), and times when the MMC breaks character to check in. It's kinky as fuck and very loving, even though the story gets sillier and sillier as it goes on. Gave me the heebie jeebies at first, though.

So the first strike on The Flip Side is that it's between a loving, successful black man and his loving, successful white wife. That's not going to please the BBC cuck folks. The second strike is that, even though it's clear that their usual dynamic is maledom/femsub, the fact that they switch is going to turn off the ones that are very into the "standard" sexual stereotypes, i.e., men must be dominant. That dovetails into strike three, the analingus aspect. Some people don't like it at all, and even if they do, for many it HAS to be in the context of a woman rimming a man, or it's "gay shit." Every story I've had that included analingus has had comments about the man in the story being a closeted gay, or a beta male, or both. Remember guys: having sex with women except in very specific ways is gay. So both the switch/femdom aspects and the analingus stuff probably upset both the manly men and the romance enthusiasts.

I'm sure there's other stuff going into the lower score behind the scenes as well; I got negative comments on Cultural Exchanges and Meat Market, over in the Romance category, of a couple of other varieties. In the first, it was basically "stop writing white man/black woman stories, they're overdone" from someone who claimed to be a black woman. On The latter, it was basically "I'm downvoting this because it's another ridiculous example of black men and white women being happy together, which is unrealistic." Don't remember the exact wording, because I deleted the comment.

It's a shame that it's not doing as well as it should. People SHOULD be reading it. It's a great story that doesn't simply skip the racial dynamics involved, but discusses them in the context of a loving relationship and how they can influence things both big and small throughout it, down to the details of what people feel comfortable with in the bedroom. That probably made the downvoters very uncomfortable, too.

One last note: IR has changed as much as LW since the site's inception, and I'd argue in a worse way than LW, but for many of the same reasons. The BBC stuff has always been there, but a lot more of it was just... two people of different races getting together. It had the fetish-y quality to it, because... I mean, it was a fetish. But that was enough of a kink at the time, or at least a novelty. But just like Anal as a category is kind of quaint (even if it's still heavily read), and LW made a shift towards BTB and cuck stories as the notion of a cheating wife being somehow more transgressive than a cheating husband went away, IR turned more and more towards the grotesque parodies that populate it now.

In a weird way, though, that's almost a positive sign: it's just not that big of a deal anymore if two people of different races are in love, or even if they just want to spend some time together in bed. I'm not that old (I'm going to keep telling myself that), but I grew up in the American South and watched that positive societal transformation take place. And if it means that a Literotica category goes to shit? Small price to pay.

Uh, I think your comment was longer than the story! That's really fascinating, that it's like that - and I think I agree, having had a little taste now. It's a revelation that IR and LW are a lot more vanilla than they appear, which to be honest takes some of the appeal away of writing in those categories, if you get scolded for taking the road less travelled.

When the story popped into my head, I was snagged not by the BBC/SWF trope but by the idea of how do you negotiate a D/s relationship when the very terms used by each side have such a historical weight of negative connotations for one of the participants. It's odd that I felt more at ease writing a lesbian sex scene in a bath than a slave scene with a black guy. But I guess this comes down to (as discussed in other threads) whether you have the right to write about something if you have no personal history of it.

 

[EmilyMiller]

And the there are a few I really don’t like:

1. Loving Wives
2. Mind Control
3. Non Consent / Reluctance

My list is not comprehensive (e.g. Reviews & Essays is absent as are others).

What about you?

Em

Never say never I guess.

Em

 

[AlinaX]

It's funny when you can't bring yourself to read something you yourself wrote years before that others enjoy reading.

 

[EmilyMiller]

It's funny when you can't bring yourself to read something you yourself wrote years before that others enjoy reading.

That’s why I rewrote my early stories to remove the faux incest element.

Em

 

[Dutchlynx77]

I've only been writing my stories for not quite two years yet.

Most of them have absolutely no basis is reality for MY actual sex life, past or present.

Ive never had a CFNM based relationship with a young college redhead.

I've never had a hot, mature woman doctor milk my prostate.

I've never been abducted by aliens and trapped naked with a beautiful stranger.

I've never sold my soul to the Devil and had kinky, rough sex with a beautiful nun to save it.

I've never developed a working relationship with a sex worker after she sent me nudes by accident, nor have I ever had a shared masturbation experience with my secretary after she sent me pics meant for her boyfriend. Hell, I don't even have a secretary.

I could go on, but I think I've made my point.

With a little imagination and a lot of BS, you can write practically anything.

Office/secretary erotica is one of my sweetest triggers so I followed your link and found Accidental Nudes.

Delicious. Absolutely delicious. Somehow I went from there to the Devil and the beautiful nun - and you are on my follow list. Thanks for a really enjoyable read. One of the things I particularly liked about Accidental Nudes is what lovely people they both were - charming, respectful, and professional.

Thanks again for a five-star read.

eta: I just re-read this and that last line makes it sound so... blah/bland/boring "charming, respectful, and professional." Yes, they were - but it was also very, very, sexy and fantasy-inducing!

 

[EmilyMiller]

Office/secretary erotica is one of my sweetest triggers so I followed your link and found Accidental Nudes.

How about AVP seduces SVP office erotica?

It’s a niche I know…

https://literotica.com/s/desire-163

Em

 

[Djmac1031]

Office/secretary erotica is one of my sweetest triggers so I followed your link and found Accidental Nudes.

Delicious. Absolutely delicious. Somehow I went from there to the Devil and the beautiful nun - and you are on my follow list. Thanks for a really enjoyable read. One of the things I particularly liked about Accidental Nudes is what lovely people they both were - charming, respectful, and professional.

Thanks again for a five star read.

Thank you so much.

I'm glad you enjoyed them.

 

[Dutchlynx77]

How about AVP seduces SVP office erotica?

It’s a niche I know…

https://literotica.com/s/desire-163

Em

This was terrific - and I'm a little bit in love with Alex.

Your story (your life?) is wildly attractive and unapologetically passionate. Thanks for the suggestion. Not only did I enjoy it, but it was also kind of inspiring - I'm at a very different stage of life (much older though not much wiser) and I think I've forgotten some of the exhilaration and zest for life that is very present in your story.

 

[EmilyMiller]

This was terrific - and I'm a little bit in love with Alex.

Your story (your life?) is wildly attractive and unapologetically passionate. Thanks for the suggestion. Not only did I enjoy it, but it was also kind of inspiring - I'm at a very different stage of life (much older though not much wiser) and I think I've forgotten some of the exhilaration and zest for life that is very present in your story.

That’s super sweet of you to say. Thank you. I like that story, then I would. I added some dramatic elements (the colleague kinda catching us) and changed some details. But the preamble is accurate and the stuff on the day 80% accurate with some bells and whistles added.

Glad you liked it. Thinking about that story reminds me of what is important in my life.

Em

 

[EmilyMiller]

And the there are a few I really don’t like:

1. Loving Wives
2. Mind Control
3. Non Consent / Reluctance

My list is not comprehensive (e.g. Reviews & Essays is absent as are others).

What about you?

Em

Two down. With an EmilyMiller stamp on 1 and 3.

Mind control here I cum.

Em