Capital Punishment

[CelestialBody]

 

[Bobtoad777]

I tired lobbing a few year back and in that time housing cost for serial killers was raiised by 20% raising they yearly value of housing and prviding for them to a level above 3/4 to 7/8 of the population in north america, very few people live at a level above those the killer is treated too.

 

[riff]

Botched Executions

Did anyone see "THE GREEN MILE?" Remember the character "Percy?"

He's been busy over the years...

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/botched.html

 

[CelestialBody]

 

[R Nitelight]

We all like to be liberal and kind hearted, but the truth is if everyone on Death Row died in their sleep tonight, the world would be a better place.

 

[riff]

Here's a good one from the state of Florida (interesting- note the comments from the intelligent Florida legislator regarding the blood patterns on the condemned):


30. July 8, 1999. Florida. Allen Lee Davis. "Before he was pronounced dead ... the blood from his mouth had poured onto the collar of his white shirt, and the blood on his chest had spread to about the size of a dinner plate, even oozing through the buckle holes on the leather chest strap holding him to the chair."44 His execution was the first in Florida's new electric chair, built especially so it could accommodate a man Davis's size (approximately 350 pounds). Later, when another Florida death row inmate challenged the constitutionality of the electric chair, Florida Supreme Court Justice Leander Shaw commented that "the color photos of Davis depict a man who -- for all appearances -- was brutally tortured to death by the citizens of Florida."45 Justice Shaw also described the botched executions of Jesse Tafero and Pedro Medina (q.v.), calling the three executions "barbaric spectacles" and "acts more befitting a violent murderer than a civilized state."46 Justice Shaw included pictures of Davis's dead body in his opinion.47

The execution was witnessed by a Florida State Senator, Ginny Brown-Waite, who at first was "shocked" to see the blood, until she realized that the blood was forming the shape of a cross and that it was a message from God saying he supported the execution.48

 

[riff]

We all like to be liberal and kind hearted, but the truth is if everyone on Death Row died in their sleep tonight, the world would be a better place.

Liberal does not equal kind-hearted.

I am liberal and I am a selfish, self-centered, son-of-a-bitch.

But when you say kind-hearted, you mean, "soft." They are 2 different things.

 

[Bobtoad777]

The execution was witnessed by a Florida State Senator, Ginny Brown-Waite, who at first was "shocked" to see the blood, until she realized that the blood was forming the shape of a cross and that it was a message from God saying he supported the execution.

Now that is something I don't agree with anyone saying that it is godly or ungodly or a sign or not a sign that is what starts world wars.

 

[riff]

The execution was witnessed by a Florida State Senator, Ginny Brown-Waite, who at first was "shocked" to see the blood, until she realized that the blood was forming the shape of a cross and that it was a message from God saying he supported the execution.

Now that is something I don't agree with anyone saying that it is godly or ungodly or a sign or not a sign that is what starts world wars.

And we would want to start any wars, now, would we? Hell no! Shit... if we started a war that would be bad.

we might... KILL people.... [sic]

I think the Honorable Brown-Waite is a sycophantic moron.

 

[Bobtoad777]

riff,

we are just going to have to agree to disagree about this issue, for niether of us is going to convince the other of his choice.

I will support your right to voice your opinion and your views and will not fault you for it, if we all believed the same thing what a dull place this world of our would be.

I respect you for standing up for our belief. and encourage you to continue to do so.

Goodevening,
Todd

 

[riff]

This is an admirable stance

riff,

we are just going to have to agree to disagree about this issue, for niether of us is going to convince the other of his choice.

I will support your right to voice your opinion and your views and will not fault you for it, if we all believed the same thing what a dull place this world of our would be.

I respect you for standing up for our belief. and encourage you to continue to do so.

Goodevening,
Todd

BT, I can live with that. It does not mean that I "soften" my opinion, but I extend to you the right I would claim for myself- the right to hold an opinion.

BT- be thankful. I have friends in countries who are mysteriously found dead (or sometimes not so mysteriously) for speaking what their minds think.

 

[Bobtoad777]

riff,

we have people that do that up here too we call them the candian mafia

they kill people with high colesteroled canadian back bacon. Many people suspect the Liberl Paryt head by Jean Cretian{sp} hires them to kill people who vote for Stockwell day and the Canadian alliance.

I do not expect you to soften your view a bit.

 

[TN_Vixen]

riff then send me a check for my part of keeping them alive cause i am sick of paying them to live a better life than me and rewarding them for killing people.

Wait a minute. Think about this statement seriously. How are we giving them a better life? Ok, they are locked up FOR LIFE with no possibility of parole in a PRISON - that is no fucking picnic. They live in a cell, cold hard cell that has a toilet in the room - no privacy, cannot make but scheduled phone calls, have to eat whatever is given to them, aren't even allowed time outside in the sunshine except for maybe an hour a day and that is in the company of other horrible murderers like themselves. They are constantly on the defense from other inmates who prey on whatever weakness they may perceive. They have to work at whatever job is forced upon them in whatever condition and they live this way day in and day out over and over. HOW the fuck is this better than you have it BT?

You have the priviledge of waking when you want, sleeping when you want, eating - maybe not the best food, but whatever you want... watching tv -ANY channel, ANY time, etc., talking on the phone. YOU have the option to get up and go outside to smell the fresh air, or to turn over, pull the covers over you in your nice comfy bed, turn the heat up and snooze s'more. SO... talk to me about how good these criminals have it.

I'm with Riff. I've done the statistics and it is NOT a deterrant, it's proven. It is also much more costly to have a criminal sit on death row for years and years also.

It is repulsive and inhumane.

It is NOT our place to take a life that was given to us as a gift.

 

[Samuari]

I do think that there are some crimes that by thier nature atack the warp and woof of our society. What I have in mind are the OKC bombing, political assinations, Court officals, law enforcement, and the like. I'm not saying that a president is more important than the average Joe, or a child, just that some crimes attack us all, and put the nation at risk. for these crimes, death is the corect penality.

 

[CelestialBody]

 

[Samuari]

The one problem

Is not weither the bomber deserves death, but the fact that I believe that there was a large conspiracy that will never be unearthed if Mc Viegh is excuted befor he gives his buddies up. It is a scarry thing tocontemplate that there are more of his ilk out there, what they may be planning.

I know Steven Jones rather well, and he is convinced that there are several conspircaies out there, that all had thereads in okc.

 

[CelestialBody]

 

[Samuari]

I think that I understand your divded mind on this, but I really do think that there are crimes, and this is one, theat cry out for the death penalty

 

[Weird Harold]

...simply and perhaps paradoxically, I do believe that in a case of treason that Capitol punishment is appropriate.

I'm in favor of the death penalty in cases where there is a clear and present danger to society -- serial killers, mass murderers, sexual predators, etc.

Traitors don't necessarily fall into that category, even by the narrow definition you supplied. "One man's traitor is another man's patriot" -- I don't know who said that, or even if it is an exact quote, but the Rosenburgs are a good example of what I mean. They were executed for selling nuclear secrets -- Secrets which many others also sold. They may have committed treason against the USA, placed the entire world in jeopardy of nuclear war, and been greedy immoral people, BUT -- They were not a threat to society if they were eventually paroled or escaped.

The death penalty should be reserved for those who are too stupid, sick, amoral, or evil to be given any chance at repeating their crime(s).

Charles Manson comes to mind as an example. He has said in several interviews that if he ever got the chance, he would kill again. He is still given an annual parole hearing. God forbid that he ever manage to get a parole or escape. If he had been sentenced to death, and executed, there would be absolutely no chance of parole or escape. However, since he was sentenced to life in prison, there remains a small chance that the thirty years since his conviction will dim the memory of how evil his crime was and some soft-headed parole board will turn him loose on society.

Jeffrey Dauhmer, John Wayne Gacey, Ted Bundy -- All are examples of people society is better off being protected from in as permanent and final a manner as possible.

Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, a sentence of death is automatically reviewed for any signs of irregularity. That should be true for any jurisdiction. An automatic review that takes into account the historical record of known failings in the judicial process should be set up to weed out as much chance of an innocent being executed as possible. Then the sentence should be carried out in a timely manner. Repeated, frivilous appeals designed soley to delay execution and drive up the expense to the people would be preempted by an automatic process. Especially appeals filed against the wishes of the condemened as has been the case in several instances. (Gary Gilmore comes to mind as an example here.)

There are certainly flaws in the way the death penalty is applied now, but that doesn't negate the basic principle that there are just some people who should never be given the slightest chance of plaguing society ever again.