Can't Find a Job? Start Your Own Business!

[REDWAVE]

Thi struck me as funny. This quote is not from any leftist site, it's from an ad trying to sell people a "plan" for starting their own business by working at home:

"World government reports indicate that more than 5.5 million jobs worldwide have been eliminated due to corporate downsizing in the past 10 years- and an estimated 55% of all jobs created in the next 10 years will be near poverty level. Even 90% of people in North America earn less than $40,000 a year, and today's two-income families are not
living as well as their parents."

Here's the link:

http://www.homeemployed.com/earn2

 

[Guest]

They teach you how to be a door to door sales person (domestic house hold ''material''. Go figure.

 

[p_p_man]

"Even 90% of people in North America earn less than $40,000 a year, and today's two-income families are not
living as well as their parents."

I find this statistic particularly illuminating if true.

Makes you wonder why so many people vote for the Right with its Corporate America support and "God Bless America" rhetoric.

You really do need a large, healthy Left Wing Party over there...

ppman

 

[slvjenn]

not sure why i'm getting involved in this thread but here goes...

My parents didn't have Cable TV, never mind digital cable with around 500 channels (including music)

They didn't have 2 cars until after they were married around 10 years. Who doesn't own a car these days (and not live in NYC)?

They didn't and still don't have a PC never mind 2 stacked on top of each other in this room, a laptop near the bed, another in the living room and a few older ones piled up in the basement.

They didn't have 3 TVs, they didn't take cruises yearly, go skiing on the weekends in the winter, pay for DSL access, buy nike sneakers, name brand clothes, Alpine stereos for their cars, Surround sound for thier home. (ok so mostly my boyfriend buys that stuff)

My mother had to wash the dishes for years, while my father had to work 6 days a week 12 hours per day. (yeah start your own business and make your own hours)

To say that 90% of people are making less than 40k per year is pretty relative. In some areas 40k buys a whole lot, rent is only $400 per month, homes cost 80-100k and taxes are next to nothing.

Live in NJ (where i do) and rent runs 800-1000 per month, homes cost 200k, taxes run 6-10k per year and 40k starts to sound like a heck of a lot less.

So without qualifying the statement it is useless. Factors such as cost of living among many other things must be taken into account.

I'm done in this thread and I still have no idea why i piped in....

 

[p_p_man]

I'm done in this thread and I still have no idea why i piped in....

Good of you to pay a visit and interesting stuff you wrote.

Cup of tea? Milk? Sugar...one lump or two?

ppman

 

[REDWAVE]

Decline in real wages

Good point, slvjenn. The cost of living does vary depending on locality. Luxury apartments in Manhattan rent for about $3700/month. Las Vegas, where I live, is traditionally a fairly cheap place to live, but also a low wage town. In recent years, the price of living has gone up dramatically (due to the influx of large numbers of southern Californians), but wages have not risen as much.

Here's a statistic that is meaningful. Since 1970, average real wages (i.e., wages adjusted for inflation) have fallen steadily. Most Americans are WORSE off now than they were thirty years ago. And in many other countries (such as Mexico) the decline in the standard of living has been even more precipitous.

 

[hogjack]

slvjenn

WELL put.

Indeed.

 

[Sillyman]

My parents didn't have Cable TV, never mind digital cable with around 500 channels (including music)

They didn't have 2 cars until after they were married around 10 years. Who doesn't own a car these days (and not live in NYC)?

They didn't and still don't have a PC never mind 2 stacked on top of each other in this room, a laptop near the bed, another in the living room and a few older ones piled up in the basement.

They didn't have 3 TVs, they didn't take cruises yearly, go skiing on the weekends in the winter, pay for DSL access, buy nike sneakers, name brand clothes, Alpine stereos for their cars, Surround sound for thier home. (ok so mostly my boyfriend buys that stuff)

Not as like a dig or anything man, but they never felt a need for half that shit either. They used less gas, less electricity, and while they may have had a great deal less free time most of it would have been spent talking or reading instead of staring at the television.

 

[REDWAVE]

Link

Here's an article which paints a clear picture of the hell many Americans are going through today. There are two million new "discouraged workers"-- people who have been out of work so long they've given up looking-- who aren't counted as part of the "official" unemployment rate. The real unemployment rate is about twice the "official" one.

Link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/09/business/09JOB.html

 

[slvjenn]

I'm not a member so can't see the page. I'm not gonna sign up...sorry...

But when assessing the "standard of living" or how well off one generation to the next is the entire point is to see what people had above and beyond what they "needed."

Could I live without my DSL? Sure. Would my standard of living go down without it? Yes. Could I live without a PC? Yes, but again my standard of living would go down. Now when a million people can no longer afford internet access then the national standard of living goes down.

Can the same percent of Mexicans afford internet access as the % of americans? Likely not, that is why they have a lower standard of living.

Generally speaking the % of people you see on CNN as unemployed are actually the number of new claims during the reporting period. Though I do remember hearing someplace that at 4% it is considered everyone who WANTS a job has one.

 

[REDWAVE]

The Myth of 4% "Full Employment"

Obviously, you remember a very garbled version of that canard. Some economists claim that 4% unemployment is really "full" employment, because there will always be about 4% of the workplace "between jobs" at the moment. But what does "between jobs" mean? It means that a worker has lost his or her old job, and hasn't found another one yet. The lie that 4% unemployment is really "full employment" is designed to try to cover up the fact that capitalism creates permanent mass structural unemployment.

 

[slvjenn]

capitalism creates permanent mass structural unemployment

So what are you advocating? Communism? Socialism? (even tho the US is more socialist than capitalistic anyway)

The fact is that the US is forced to actually import many forms of labor. This is most evident in the tech and development areas where there are not enough programmers to go around.

Where we as a country are unable to import labor we export it. That is why so many cars are built overseas, labor is just too expensive here to make the product cheap enough.

If you look at japan, you'll see that in the 70s through mid 80s they were able to produce cars cheaply. As the economy grew as employee salery rose they also became unable to produce the products cheaply enough. That is when much of the Japanese car manufacturing went to Indonesia, Maylasia and so on.

If you look now you'll see that many Japanese cars are actually produced in the USA or Mexico, while many US cars are made in Canada.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

So what are you advocating? Communism? Socialism? (even tho the US is more socialist than capitalistic anyway)

The fact is that the US is forced to actually import many forms of labor. This is most evident in the tech and development areas where there are not enough programmers to go around.

Where we as a country are unable to import labor we export it. That is why so many cars are built overseas, labor is just too expensive here to make the product cheap enough.

If you look at japan, you'll see that in the 70s through mid 80s they were able to produce cars cheaply. As the economy grew as employee salery rose they also became unable to produce the products cheaply enough. That is when much of the Japanese car manufacturing went to Indonesia, Maylasia and so on.

If you look now you'll see that many Japanese cars are actually produced in the USA or Mexico, while many US cars are made in Canada.

LOL. You even question that Redwave might be communist. LOL.

To paraphrase our friend..."you are a capitalist pig who is purposely oppressing workers everywhere. You should be obliterated or incarcerated and through that, allow the workers to take their rightful place in the seats of power".

We always try to entice him to move to Cuba so he can be in his "worker's paradise", but he won't budge.

He's smart though, and sometimes he even comes up with something that's worth reading and understanding. He's virtually always wrong, but sometimes he comes up with something worth thinking about.

Redwave, don't get too excited, my post isn't a response to you, I'm still ignoring you, I just wanted to give our new (and sensible) poster some background.

Good points slvjenn.

Do I dare comment on permanent mass structural unemployment.......na...Redwave won't listen to sense anyway.

 

[SINthysist]

Yeah, I know a lot of people who have given up looking for a job. They do a little of this and that, mooch, find things...

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

^^55's Sin, what a strange place to meet up with you. Got any comments on my post above? LOL.

 

[SINthysist]

LOL - That's ALWAYS the funniest. When you tell someone you're ignoring them. RED will figure it out! He's a clever enough fellow!

Btw, I'm ignoring you!

 

[SINthysist]

It was already in the can man!

 

[SINthysist]

Besides, the standard gig is to ignore somebody under 1000 posts to make sure its not DannyBoyUK or Dixon !

So you shouldn't have replied to anyone!

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

Btw, I'm ignoring you!

I saw that. No comments on what can be done with Africa given the constraints and assumptions that I mentioned. Mmmm...

I have to go soon anyway, soccer calls....or is that soccer balls?

 

[SINthysist]

I'm known for my balls...

Everyone cumz and cumz...

AC/DC rules!

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

Besides, the standard gig is to ignore somebody under 1000 posts to make sure its not DannyBoyUK or Dixon !

So you shouldn't have replied to anyone!

DannyboyUK has been uncharactoristically quiet today. I wonder where he went. You didn't comment on Judicial Activism either.

Though, there's lots of people commenting on English Premier League soccer.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

Redwave is tied up with Binkly on another thread, he might not have even noticed that we hijacked it. LOL. They're playing a good game of tennis...back and forth, back and forth.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

Sin, who's your favorite actress? (is that a good change of topic?)...LOL.

 

[REDWAVE]

All right, you guys!

I'm back! And boy, are you in big trouble!

One of MY favorite actresses is Xenia Seeberg, who plays the red-headed Zev on Lexx, my favorite TV show.

 

[SINthysist]

I hate ALL actresses. I was once married to one. The term Neurotic dosn't EVEN begin to cover all the bases...

I dunno. I don't watch much outside of Chinese opera. I liked the dead girl who played with Jet Li in that one movie. Good Bacall-Bogeyesque exchange between her and the thug Maurice. Too bad about the plane wreck though...

I kinda liked her.