Can I post as a complete novel and as serialised in category

[cw5523729]

Because it seems many guys here are fragile about their own sexuality and view anything ‘gay’ as something they must avoid at all costs and also be seen to avoid in order to gain the approval of other men (and probably lest it excites them too much).

Oh please. So if the story contains snuff, wasn't disclosed as snuff, and yet I'm unhappy to read a story with snuff in it, doesn't that make me a snuffaphobe? What about scat?

Why even bother with tags at all? Or even categories? 'Cuz all stories containing absolutely anything should be equally acceptable to all readers unless they have issues, right?

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Oh please. So if the story contains snuff, wasn't disclosed as snuff, and yet I'm unhappy to read a story with snuff in it, doesn't that make me a snuffaphobe? What about scat?

Why even bother with tags at all? Or even categories? 'Cuz all stories containing absolutely anything should be equally acceptable to all readers unless they have issues, right?

Exactly...

(Now que the outrage over "how dare you compare x to y, and prove our outrage is inconsistent.)
I'm going to post a story in Gay Male with a bunch of hetero sex, and if anyone complains it clearly proves they are heterophobic, and secretly hetero.

Sorry, I don't make the rules....

 

[cw5523729]

Exactly...

(Now que the outrage over "how dare you compare x to y, and prove our outrage is inconsistent.)
I'm going to post a story in Gay Male with a bunch of hetero sex, and if anyone complains it clearly proves they are heterophobic, and secretly hetero.

Sorry, I don't make the rules....

That's an excellent point - why do we even have the category? I feel discriminated against.

 

[cw5523729]

Two of my bisexual male characters pleasure each other but have no romantic interactions. I don't think of them as 'gay male'.

but a strong negative reaction to fictional mm sex?

I guess I would ask why so many writers feel so strongly that their MM sexual content shouldn't be labeled as gay since they don't want their MM story to be limited to the kind of people that would go looking for a story with MM sexual content.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I guess I would ask why so many writers feel so strongly that their MM sexual content shouldn't be labeled as gay since they don't want their MM story to be limited to the kind of people that would go looking for a story with MM sexual content.

You're dead right about that. I looked at the comment up above with a sideways glance, thinking mate, that's bullshit. Then the comment later on, that he loves writing about MM penetration, but don't ever have them kissing, as if emotional connectivity is the squick. Not see that one before.

That's why I jokingly say: the Real Men of Lit protest really loudly that, "Oh no, I'm not gay!" but then read the story twice to make sure! It's haha, yeah, right.

Why don't they just admit that the idea of cock in their mouth gives them some curiosity, on occasion, in a story? Doesn't mean they're off to the local bookshop / sex shop with a cubicle out the back.

It's okay to be bi-curious, and to write about it, but to terrified about a label? That's like asking for a white marshmallow to put in your hot chocolate**, because you don't want to be seen with a pink one on the saucer.

The site's got a lot to answer for, not having a Bisexual Category. All this sexual identity angst would disappear in a instant, but here we are.

** Real men drink coffee .

 

[cw5523729]

The site's got a lot to answer for, not having a Bisexual Category. All this sexual identity angst would disappear in a instant, but here we are.

I agree. There absolutely should be.

** Real men drink coffee .

 

[HotCosmo]

I bet part of the problem is that plenty of Lit readers have absolutely no problem with bisexual content... As long as it's a guy and two girls

We might need two new categories, "Bisexual/Pansexual" and "Bisexual But the Balls Don't Touch"

The lack of a bisexual category is especially annoying with story games, where just the category and not tags matters. I want to research my bisexual fellows with my stories, where even if you choose to have sex with a girl, the main character is still bi as hell

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Readers are irrational about many things, and this is just one of them. But we shouldn't be surprised that readers behave in such a way when we so quickly resort to labeling here, in AH.
I'll try to make my own position clear about MM sexual content, and I'm looking forward to the labels.

I'm a straight guy, and I don't want to read about MM stuff in a sex story. If it's a story that isn't focused on sex, then I can read and enjoy it without a problem. I loved the show Black Sails, even if the main character is clearly gay.

But sex stories are different. In them, sexual content is often the whole point of reading. And I don't want to read about MM, furry, tentacles, anything anthropomorphic, and a ton of other stuff that puts me off sexually. If I encounter it in a story that wasn't properly tagged, if it's more than just a remark or a blitz scene, I'll just quit the story instantly, without rating it or commenting.
Yet I can understand the occasional angry 1* too in such cases. The reader invested time in reading an improperly tagged story, and the author ruined their sexual enjoyment by being lazy or careless. I wouldn't do it myself, but I understand it.

So, as far as I'm concerned, the author should tag their stories appropriately. And all the readers who still punish such properly tagged stories can go fuck themselves.

 

[cw5523729]

tentacles

Tentaclephobe.

and the author ruined their sexual enjoyment by being lazy or careless.

Or worst of all, deliberately mistagged it, which it sounds like more and more authors are want to do because they feel that everyone should read their story regardless of their tentaclephobic preferences because it is so incredibly amaze-balls awesome and just because it involves male on male sodomy doesn't mean it's gay if they didn't kiss afterward. It's unclear how the gender of the tentacle affects this.

I feel like tentacles tend to be male due to their phallic shape but that could just be my straight guy glasses clouding the opinion.

 

[cw5523729]

And all the readers who still punish such properly tagged stories can go fuck themselves.

If a male reader fucks themselves, is that considered gay if they don't kiss themselves in the mirror?

 

[ElectricBlue]

So, as far as I'm concerned, the author should tag their stories appropriately. And all the readers who still punish such properly tagged stories can go fuck themselves.

This. Absofuckinglutely this. Tagging stories is not hard, they're visible with a click, and readers are meant to be adults reading on an adult web site.

 

[TheLobster]

Tagging stories is not hard, they're visible with a click,

That’s part of the issue, though: tags are not immediately visible. They should be front and center, probably right below the title, and not require interaction with a UI element that doesn’t even look interactive.

Considering how hard the site fails at this, I don’t blame authors who repeat the warnings about the potentially deal-breaking tags, or just all tags, in their own preambles. Readers miss tags All. The. Time.

 

[Rexxblayze]

In earlier days of the Internet, tags were added to aid with the search process. They were often not visible at all to readers.

 

[SinclairGroupLLP]

I am new to Lit, but it looks like readers have a wide range of reaction. Why would there be a strong positive reaction to fictional incest and ff sex, but a strong negative reaction to fictional mm sex?

Gay sex isn't taboo enough for them anymore, apparently.

In my experience, publishing as chapters is the best way to go, as it's unlikely to spook your readers with a massive page count. And since we're all chasing the joy of having people read our stuff, posting chapters gets people hooked and waiting for the next installment, which I think increases engagement.

My first series is 20 chapters, and more than 500k words, which would scare the living crap out of most readers I think if the saw it straight. The 2nd one is even longer, but the same number of chapters.

As for the bi thing, as long as your story is good and you give folks warning, I think you can weather the inevitable handful of folks who aren't willing to try a different flavor of ice cream.

 

[Rexxblayze]

I don't see the problem. All things sexual are erotica when put into text. If they don't like erotica, they should be somewhere else. Seeing text depicting a m* getting a d* shoved into his a* is not the same as getting a d* shoved up your own a*.

 

[Duleigh]

I'm working on a novel that will be at least a hundred and forty thousand words. Can I post this as one post it novels category and at the same time release it over time in its category, incest taboo for reads who don't want to deal with all those pages at once. This would mean a reader could switch to the complete work whenever they wanted to. Is this allowed?

Any knowledge on this is welcome.

You can break it up into chapters and post each chapter in any category you want. You may need to leave a trail of breadcrumbs for your reader, but I have several novels published here in chapter format. It's like having 10,000 beta readers.

 

[Rexxblayze]

How do you leave a trail of breadcrumbs?

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Because it seems many guys here are fragile about their own sexuality and view anything ‘gay’ as something they must avoid at all costs and also be seen to avoid in order to gain the approval of other men (and probably lest it excites them too much).

Maybe, but I can only speak for myself.

I have done contract writing for gay male stories as well as lesbian stories. I was being paid to write them, so my personal preferences took a back seat.

I do not usually write them for enjoyment, because, frankly, I prefer heterosexual scenes that I can related to. If there happens to be a brief MM or FF scene in a story, that fact alone won't make me put it down. I don't venture into those categories (among others) simply out of a lack of interest.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Maybe, but I can only speak for myself.

I have done contract writing for gay male stories as well as lesbian stories. I was being paid to write them, so my personal preferences took a back seat.

I do not usually write them for enjoyment, because, frankly, I prefer heterosexual scenes that I can related to. If there happens to be a brief MM or FF scene in a story, that fact alone won't make me put it down. I don't venture into those categories (among others) simply out of a lack of interest.

Yeah - that’s called being well-adjusted. I’m taking about an over the top visceral reaction backed by rage out of all proportion to the subject matter. That I think speaks to psychological issues, and most likely a true nature being suppressed.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Considering how hard the site fails at this, I don’t blame authors who repeat the warnings about the potentially deal-breaking tags, or just all tags, in their own preambles. Readers miss tags All. The. Time.

So writers need to hand hold people who can't read, can't navigate the site, can't find what's ONE CLICK AWAY? You need Mary Poppins.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Yeah - that’s called being well-adjusted. I’m taking about an over the top visceral reaction backed by rage out of all proportion to the subject matter. That I think speaks to psychological issues, and most likely a true nature being suppressed.

If @EmilyMiller considers me "well-adjusted", I can die a happy man.

 

[EmilyMiller]

If @EmilyMiller considers me "well-adjusted", I can die a happy man.

I may add this to my resume

 

[BobbyBrandt]

I may add this to my resume

You should.

Your really should.

 

[KoraKuros]

Thanks for all the comments and advise. I know what to do now? As to mm and other stuff, a
So good to read your contributions. For the females in the chain you need to understand the stigma guys faced at school over the potential gay thing. A lot of my readers are sixty and over males who have not delt with the alternative as a viable option. We are all scared by that process. It has taken a lot to reeducate myself . I'm now happy to read mm relationships and occasionally choose to do so.
As a writer I do respect my readers' wishes by moderating things. This has mainly been about not wanting loving siblings to not be monogampus. It suits my stick and often have my characters tell the potential extra partners they intend to stay monogamous. But then in today's age, divorce is serial monogomy or poligimy both sides of the one coin.

I have written a chapter of my long series journey to Love, that included twin male brothers and a sister in threesomes, definitely male to male sex. It is one of the few that did not rate hot but not by much. I skirt on the edge, and definetly tag if it is and put in preamble. My Problem is when I write it I have not experienced it, so find it harder. Easier to avoid.
I know in an other life where I wasn't in a life long monogamous relationship myself I would definitely be Bi. So I live with myself and try not to bear too much guilt.