But no one will want to be a doctor! Record applications to medical schools in 2013

[Sean Renaud]

Seeing how they were trying for the first few decades I'm not sure that's a fair comparison.

The website has been an embarassment and ultimatley it doesn't matter if it was overstressed, poorly made, underfunded, intentionally sabotaged or what not. It hasn't worked as advertised and last I heard they don't expect to have it up for another full month. We'll see if it's just two months of working through the bugs it's sad but well within the realm of shit that happens.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Of all the potential things wrong with Obamacare, we haven't seen any of them tested yet other than the cluster fuck of a roll out. That's all I'm sayin.'

I disagree strongly.

One of the biggest uninsured segments of society pre-Obamacare was the 18-26 year old demographic.

The rules changed to allow for children up to age 26 to stay on their parents' policy. Many of the larger insurance companies have already modified their policies accordingly to account for this inevitablity.

Result? The number of uninsured 18 to 26 year olds has dropped....7% in the first quarter of 2012 (latest figures available)

Put another way, the change has been so successful that even the hardcore Obamacare whiners here (Vetteboy, busybody, Julybaby04) don't even bring it up at all!

Instead, they all whine piteously about "but but 27 year olds in good health!"

 

[RobDownSouth]

Seeing how they were trying for the first few decades I'm not sure that's a fair comparison.

The website has been an embarassment and ultimatley it doesn't matter if it was overstressed, poorly made, underfunded, intentionally sabotaged or what not. It hasn't worked as advertised and last I heard they don't expect to have it up for another full month. We'll see if it's just two months of working through the bugs it's sad but well within the realm of shit that happens.

There is no doubt the rollout has been flawed.

Having said that, look at some of the posts here in the Obamacare-bashing threads by the usual suspects. I'm seeing a slow but steady drumbeat of people being able to access the site and get insurance. Naturally, the RWCJ simply ignores these posts.

Somebody gets a hiccup, a screen crash or an error message though, and the right wing echo chamber kicks into high gear: failure! failure! failure!

Like that jackwagon said on Breitbart earlier this year, the facts don't matter, what matters is peoples' perception of the facts.

We're still 60+ days from the official rollout, I'm not worried.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Wait, the official roll out isn't until the first? I totally missed that this was Beta testing. My understanding was these first 90 days were what you needed if you wanted your coverage to start on the 1/1/14. Id d I miss something?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

No it's about Obama care my fuzzy friend. Good to see nobody decied to make a hat out of you.

Mange fur isn't in season just yet, though.

Instead, they all whine piteously about "but but 27 year olds in good health!"

And some if not most of those good-health 27-year-olds are...exploring, exploiting and enjoying the "American Freedoms" of their bodies by...drinking, smoking, drugs-ing, sportsing, extreme sportsing, fucking...sometimes (gasps) irresponsibly so!

If only they were perfect people under The Lord like Ma'amselle July then there would be no worries until they got really really really old to start falling apart, but...but...but...conseequences...

 

[RobDownSouth]

Wait, the official roll out isn't until the first? I totally missed that this was Beta testing. My understanding was these first 90 days were what you needed if you wanted your coverage to start on the 1/1/14. Id d I miss something?

LOL...gettin' all boxliquor-y on me?

You're correct. Signup starts October 1st, 2013. Coverage doesn't begin until January 1st, 2014.

Happy now?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Just making sure I didn't miss some detail.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Just making sure I didn't miss some detail.

I admire your attention to detail.

 

[jeninflorida]

oh no, the libo-tards are wearing leotards too tight

 

[Colonel Hogan]

I disagree strongly.

One of the biggest uninsured segments of society pre-Obamacare was the 18-26 year old demographic.

The rules changed to allow for children up to age 26 to stay on their parents' policy. Many of the larger insurance companies have already modified their policies accordingly to account for this inevitablity.

Result? The number of uninsured 18 to 26 year olds has dropped....7% in the first quarter of 2012 (latest figures available)

Put another way, the change has been so successful that even the hardcore Obamacare whiners here (Vetteboy, busybody, Julybaby04) don't even bring it up at all!

Instead, they all whine piteously about "but but 27 year olds in good health!"

But the 27-year-olds ARE in good health which is germane to the subject only in the sense that they weren't kept off of their parents' policies after age 25 due to health reasons. It was primarily an assumption that a fair number of kids would go on to college and/or weren't cutting their ties to mom and dad immediately after high school for various other reasons.

Twenty-five was essentially a somewhat arbitrary line where insurance companies were saying "You're big boys and girls now. Time to buy from us directly."

Again, Obamacare isn't going to live or die on the basis of how many people stay on their parents' insurance for a few extra years.

The test is going to be how many 28 - 65-year-olds are going to sign up and spend 37 years paying for not only senior citizens, but a whole sub-population of folks with pre-existing conditions and others with various government subsidies.

It is going to take awhile for this thing to play out relative to dire or idyllic predictions. Medicare wasn't a 17 trillion dollar drain on the economy for its first two or three years either.

And speaking of topics you don't hear much about anymore, when was the last time you heard anyone inside the Obama administration use the words "Affordable Care Act" and "revenue neutral" in the same sentence?

 

[RobDownSouth]

But the 27-year-olds ARE in good health which is germane to the subject only in the sense that they weren't kept off of their parents' policies after age 25 due to health reasons. It was primarily an assumption that a fair number of kids would go on to college and/or weren't cutting their ties to mom and dad immediately after high school for various other reasons.

Twenty-five was essentially a somewhat arbitrary line where insurance companies were saying "You're big boys and girls now. Time to buy from us directly."

Again, Obamacare isn't going to live or die on the basis of how many people stay on their parents' insurance for a few extra years.

The test is going to be how many 28 - 65-year-olds are going to sign up and spend 37 years paying for not only senior citizens, but a whole sub-population of folks with pre-existing conditions and others with various government subsidies.

It is going to take awhile for this thing to play out relative to dire or idyllic predictions. Medicare wasn't a 17 trillion dollar drain on the economy for its first two or three years either.

And speaking of topics you don't hear much about anymore, when was the last time you heard anyone inside the Obama administration use the words "Affordable Care Act" and "revenue neutral" in the same sentence?

Again, increasing the pool of the insured will help lower the overall average cost per policy. Yes, that will be skewed a bit if people start trying to game the system julybaby04-style.

My understanding is that Obamacare is, and will continue to remain to be, revenue-neutral overall. The reason I think it's not brought up lately is because conservatives have accepted this, and there is no political drama to be had by insisting otherwise.

I agree, three years down the road we'll see if all the projections have come to pass. I'm willing to wait that long to render final judgment. In the interim, we'll have the folks hard-wired to hate Obamacare loudly decrying every momentary hiccup every step of the way. They can't help it....that's what they do.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I disagree strongly.

One of the biggest uninsured segments of society pre-Obamacare was the 18-26 year old demographic.

The rules changed to allow for children up to age 26 to stay on their parents' policy. Many of the larger insurance companies have already modified their policies accordingly to account for this inevitablity.

Result? The number of uninsured 18 to 26 year olds has dropped....7% in the first quarter of 2012 (latest figures available)

Put another way, the change has been so successful that even the hardcore Obamacare whiners here (Vetteboy, busybody, Julybaby04) don't even bring it up at all!

Instead, they all whine piteously about "but but 27 year olds in good health!"

The changes you cite are not part of the rollout. They are just changes to existing policies.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The changes you cite are not part of the rollout. They are just changes to existing policies.

Parsing again, I see.

The changes are required by law to take place in 2014.

Forward-thinking companies put in the changes before legally obligated to do so.

Bitter-ender companies ("Vettecompanies") will wait until the last possible moment to do so.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The changes you cite are not part of the rollout. They are just changes to existing policies.

Difference being what precisely?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Difference being what precisely?

The kiddie diddler is hard-wired to refudiate me.

I could say the sky was blue, he'd reply "sometimes when the sun is going down, the sky looks red! I win! I Win!!!1!1!ELEVEN

 

[Colonel Hogan]

My understanding is that Obamacare is, and will continue to remain to be, revenue-neutral overall. The reason I think it's not brought up lately is because conservatives have accepted this, and there is no political drama to be had by insisting otherwise.

And this is the one area of the program I am almost willing to bet the house on will NOT happen.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

The kiddie diddler is hard-wired to refudiate me.

I could say the sky was blue, he'd reply "sometimes when the sun is going down, the sky looks red! I win! I Win!!!1!1!ELEVEN

BoxLiquor: "The sun isn't 'going down,' it's actually your position on the Earth moving away from it due to planetary rotation."

 

[Sean Renaud]

I was gonna go with the sky isn't blue. It's every color but blue which is why that wavelength of light is able to escape.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I was gonna go with the sky isn't blue. It's every color but blue which is why that wavelength of light is able to escape.

But mamma said it was the ocean reflecting off the ceilin' of the Earths bedroom.
http://impactlabel.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/bobby-boucher.gif

 

[RobDownSouth]

And this is the one area of the program I am almost willing to bet the house on will NOT happen.

Alright, let me ask you this then....

When your kid comes home from school with a test that was less than 100%, do you call them a "failure" like Vetty does with his granddaughter?

If not, what's the threshold we should use to determine success/failure?

If the program covers 99% of it's expenses? 95%? 90%?

Give me a number.

 

[koalabear]

Alright, let me ask you this then....

When your kid comes home from school with a test that was less than 100%, do you call them a "failure" like Vetty does with his granddaughter?

If not, what's the threshold we should use to determine success/failure?

If the program covers 99% of it's expenses? 95%? 90%?

Give me a number.

PedoFatty again bring kids to the porn board.

 

[imalickin]

Gee, you can have all the doctors in the world working in the US, but they will do you no good if they take that insurance policy you bought through Obamacare. Or Medicaid. Or Medicare. When all they will except is cash, you're up shit creek. Just saying.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Gee, you can have all the doctors in the world working in the US, but they will do you no good if they take that insurance policy you bought through Obamacare. Or Medicaid. Or Medicare. When all they will except is cash, you're up shit creek. Just saying.

That must explain the huge flow of EU and Canadian citizens here to use our elite health care system.

 

[Boxlicker101]

That must explain the huge flow of EU and Canadian citizens here to use our elite health care system.

Obamacare hasn't actually started yet. Let's see what happens when it has. Will thousands of citizens of nations who have Single Payer or similar systems continue to come here for health care and pay American providers?

 

[coastal-boy]

The test is going to be how many 28 - 65-year-olds are going to sign up and spend 37 years paying for not only senior citizens, but a whole sub-population of folks with pre-existing conditions and others with various government subsidies.

They already do if they pay any health insurance at all. If not, they do when they get any bill and pay out of pocket.