Bush and Kerry on the Actual Issues

[RobDownSouth]

If the point was to leave it up to the people ("because it's their money") then it wouldn't be taken out of their checks in the first place. The whole point is to FORCE people to save money for their retirement. If you allow people the option to gamble with the money (which is what the stock market is -- gambling), guess what will happen?

"It's their money" is always a spurious phrase. We are forced to pay taxes, forced to buy insurance, etc. I think it's okay to force people to pay into their retirement to save the State from bleeding its treasury to take care of you in your old age.

Agreed. The very best synopsis of this argument I ever read was a post by Sandia back in February. It got lost in a JazzManJim babblefest, but it's worth repeating:

Social security is a welfare program - and there's nothing wrong with that.

For example, if Lost Cause (God forbid) was unable to work - if he became disabled - he could apply for Social Security Disability.

It wouldn't be a lot of money, but it'd be enough for him to keep a roof over his head and the lights turned on.

What's wrong with that?

For that matter, Heretic, if you (God forbid) became disabled, and unable to work, you'd qualify for disability payments as well.

Again, there's nothing wrong with that.

The idea that Social Security is just a retirement program is just wrong.

It's not designed to be a good investment for rich people.

It's a safety net for those of us who are less fortunate, or become less fortunate at some time before they die.

It's incredibly frustrating to me that those of us who are more fortunate (some of us) look at Social Security and say, "Oh, that's not a good investment for me. Nothing bad is going to happen to me. And if something bad happened to you, well it's your own fault for having cable TV."

You know what I mean?

 

[Paendragon]

Agreed. The very best synopsis of this argument I ever read was a post by Sandia back in February. It got lost in a JazzManJim babblefest, but it's worth repeating:

Hmmmm. Good point for Sandia.

 

[Paendragon]

So, are there any conservatives here?

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

You have to let them sniff your hand first, so they know you're friendly.

 

[busybody..]

Kerry is a foreign policy conservative?

Based on what record can you possibly base that on?

The LOON MARXY

Throws this shit out and cant back it up.

Based on what act(s) that Kerry has ever said/done can he be seen as a FP conservative?

I dont trust him in this area!

 

[Paendragon]

The LOON MARXY

Throws this shit out and cant back it up.

Based on what act(s) that Kerry has ever said/done can he be seen as a FP conservative?

I dont trust him in this area!

Who do you trust?

 

[busybody..]

Its all well and good that we should NOT be talking about Vietnam, and I agree.

However can anyone answer this..........

Kerry spent 98% of his convention speech on Vietnam, and 0% on his record.

He says that we are at war, and because of his record he can handle the war today better then Bush. His record then becomes fair play, doesnt it?

I believe it does.

He created the monster, he has to live with it

The Vietnam Boom-YOU RANG??????????

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Abortion

Bush: Would only support it in cases of rape or incest or when a woman’s life is endangered. He signed bill to ban a procedure that opponents call partial-birth abortion.

Kerry: Is a staunch pro-choice advocate and would nominate only Supreme Court justices who support abortion rights. He voted against partial-birth ban. Kerry also believes that the government should promote family planning and health plans should assure women contraceptive coverage.

The phrase "partial-birth abortion" is an example, like "tax relief", at how successful the GOP has been at framing. The strategy is come up with a phrase so offensive that people will support banning it, despite not really knowing what it is, or when it's used. The goal is get a foot in the Roe V Wade door. And it's an excellent strategy. But it will never work, because by the time it gets to legislation people will actualy figure out exactly what it is, and won't let a ban actually pass.

 

[busybody..]

Was it not Kerry who

saluted and said REPORTING FOR DUTY?

Isnt he the one who based his entire political career on 4.5 months?

Wasnt it Kerry who in the well of the Senate said that we cant help the freedom fighters in Nicaragua because of his experience in Cambodia?

He said the issue was SEARED, SEARED into his mind as how the gov mislead the people now the Reagan administrationwas misleading the people again in Nicaragua.

BUT THE STORY ABOUT CAMBODIA WAS A LIE, A FABRICATION.

Why isnt it legitimate to talk about it?

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Kerry spent 98% of his convention speech on Vietnam, and 0% on his record.

That's a lie. Your fifteenth this week.

We want real conservatives, not the bigoted nutjobs who can only cut, paste and piss. I'm going to put busy on Ignore for a while, because this thread has gone well, and it should continue without him. You can all follow suit if you like.

 

[GeorgeWBush]

Tell you all first hand that being disabled and on SSI is not all it's seems like, if it was not for the help i get with rent and medical i would be living in my car.

 

[busybody..]

Who do you trust?

Good question.

I believe that Bush at least gets it. I believe that Bush at least will err on the side of aggrettion to protect us.

I believe that Kerry talks way too much about FIRST RESPONDERS, which means he waits for an attack and then cleans out the blood and gore.

I believe Bush will take the FIGHT TO THEM

I believe Kerry will clean up the mess at home.

The entire career of Kerry speaks of weakness. From voting against the death penalty for terrorists to voting against all defense programs to his inordinate love affair with France!

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Tell you all first hand that being disabled and on SSI is not all it's seems like, if it was not for the help i get with rent and medical i would be living in my car.

That's part of why it's better left alone -- you can't predict now how much you'll need it later.

 

[busybody..]

That's a lie. Your fifteenth this week.

We want real conservatives, not the bigoted nutjobs who can only cut, paste and piss. I'm going to put busy on Ignore for a while, because this thread has gone well, and it should continue without him. You can all follow suit if you like.

You always tell people what to do?

You cant argue with facts so you throw insults and threats and beg for people to follow you on IGNORE.

FUCK OFF LOSER!

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Budget

Bush: Approved record deficits in a time of recession, war, terrorism and tax cuts. Budget in surplus when Bush took office; $521 billion deficit is projected this year. Budget plan for 2005 says annual deficits can be cut by half in five years. Bush proposes that Congress limit discretionary spending in programs outside defense and homeland security to a 0.5 percent increase next year.

Kerry: Cut deficit by half, at least, in first term, in part through repeal of Bush tax cuts for wealthier Americans.

I approve of repeal the tax cuts, not just for wealthier Americans, but for Corporations who essentially pay no taxes anymore.

 

[GeorgeWBush]

That's part of why it's better left alone -- you can't predict now how much you'll need it later.

I wish i could get a job at 7-11 again that was a great job i had but now i'm limited in what i do and no one will hire me i Have even tried wal-mart but nope.

I guess if wal-mart won't hire you forget it.

 

[busybody..]

in todays WSJ there is an article that says

Based on the items Kerry wants to implement

The budget deficit will DOUBLE

so for him to say that he will cut the deficit AND pay for his program is an outright FABRICATION

 

[busybody..]

Dixon

You are a perfect Kerry guy


All talk and bravado

When challenged you cry PLEASE STOP and beg others to lower themselves.........


WAHHHHHHHHHHHH

Not only do YOU not answer questions, you beg others to IGNORE me as well.

LITTLE BABY

It was your LOSER that brought Vietnam into the equation and now it backfires

He was the one that TOLD THE NATION that he can do a better job then Bush because of his service

It was EDWARDS that said......"You wanna know what Kerry is about? Spend three minutes with these men"............

Well now that we know what he is about, we find out he is a LIAR, a COWARD, and a slanderer of VETERANS!

Put me on IGNORE cry baby, you cant IGNORE the rage of the AMERICAN VOTER, they dont want a wimp as a President

Your guy is a FUCKING LYING WIMP!

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I wish i could get a job at 7-11 again that was a great job i had but now i'm limited in what i do and no one will hire me i Have even tried wal-mart but nope.

I guess if wal-mart won't hire you forget it.

Holy crap, WalMart turned you down? They have such happy older people in their commercials. Sorry, man. Have you tried media buying? You could do it on line at home.

 

[busybody..]

Today CryBabyKerry sent Cleland to deliever a letter to Bush.

A perfect choice by CryBabyKerry

Sending a legless,handless,cluless clumsy useless gimp to deliever a letter.

The gimp says, Bush smeared three vets......(lest assume that is tru)

WELL KERRY SMEARED MILLIONS OF VETS.........

How appropriate to send the GIMP

The Kerry campaign is headless idealess GIMPS!

 

[GeorgeWBush]

Holy crap, WalMart turned you down? They have such happy older people in their commercials. Sorry, man. Have you tried media buying? You could do it on line at home.

I started to check out some on- line buisness but i get a few extra buck from surveys and from the little old ladies here where i live they always need help with there vcrs, phones and other electronics.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

So you're a high tech guy. How come you're not living in India?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Hey busybody & all you other "conservatives"....who will do a better job managing the federal deficit as well as the federal budget in the next 4 years and why?

 

[busybody..]

Cry Baby Shithead

You emulating your HERO sandwhich guy!!!!!!!

Shutting up those that disagree with you............

bring it on ...............flipped to.................MAKE EM STOP,MOMMY, THE BAD MAN IS SAYING BAD THINGS!!!!!!!!!!!! WAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Hey busybody & all you other "conservatives"....who will do a better job managing the federal deficit as well as the federal budget in the next 4 years and why?

Well, let's take the "" off conservatives and ask the real ones. The nutjobs are ignore for today.