britland has bugger all faith

[dolf]

god? what god?

china tops the list of least religious nations, but we're pretty high.

 

[Boxtoz]

I love you.

 

[dolf]

I love you.

understandable. i'm a very lovable person.

 

[suckonsimon]

I see in the link that 'Guardian' question was 'are you religious' or some such. I know loads of people who do not regard themselves as 'religious' but for whom faith in God is a big thing in their lives. Loads of people understand their faith in Jesus as precisely about freedom from 'religion'.

So no surprise the huge discrepancy between the Guardian take and the 2011 census which came up with - was it the figure of 70% of the British population believe in God, as I recall?

So. Guardian-speak. They do enjoy pushing their stuff.

 

[dolf]

a vague belief that there's probably a god isn't the same as being religious.

church attendance figures?

 

[JohnnySavage]

Heathens.

 

[DesEsseintes]

I see in the link that 'Guardian' question was 'are you religious' or some such. I know loads of people who do not regard themselves as 'religious' but for whom faith in God is a big thing in their lives. Loads of people understand their faith in Jesus as precisely about freedom from 'religion'.

So no surprise the huge discrepancy between the Guardian take and the 2011 census which came up with - was it the figure of 70% of the British population believe in God, as I recall?

So. Guardian-speak. They do enjoy pushing their stuff.

Would you accept that people who have faith in both God and Jesus but do not describe themselves as religious are, to put it kindly, perhaps a little muddled?

 

[elli1]

a vague belief that there's probably a god isn't the same as being religious.

i think it is though, if you take it in a wider sense. isn't any belief in some higher power being religious? what you mean, i think, is the level of.... extremism? how much it influences your life and to what degree you live your life according to what you think that higher power you believe in approves of, maybe?

 

[Lancecastor]

What do athiest grrls exclaim when they cum?

 

[elli1]

What do athiest grrls exclaim when they cum?

i say 'fuck' a lot

 

[Lancecastor]

i say 'fuck' a lot

Not quite the same without the jesus.

 

[dolf]

i think it is though, if you take it in a wider sense. isn't any belief in some higher power being religious? what you mean, i think, is the level of.... extremism? how much it influences your life and to what degree you live your life according to what you think that higher power you believe in approves of, maybe?

not really. faith is something deep, religion is something specific (which is why muslims aren't Christians) but what I see is mostly just a vague belief that there's probably a god.

 

[elli1]

not really. faith is something deep, religion is something specific (which is why muslims aren't Christians) not just a vague belief that it's probably true.

a specific religion is something specific, yes. but both christians and muslims are religious.

 

[suckonsimon]

a vague belief that there's probably a god isn't the same as being religious.

church attendance figures?

I take your point but I'm talking about another category of believing: a decided embrace of Jesus principles as they apply to relationships and justice and inclusion and wealth and generosity and hope and adventure and all those things which the Gospel is really about which won't be squashed into a pigeon hole labelled 'religion'. That's not 'vague' stuff. It's world-view forming stuff and it's alive and well in the UK. Is it the majority of the population? Probably no. Does it affect the way we are as a group of nations in these islands? I think in an undercurrent way probably yes.

Church attendance figures are a small minority of the total population of the UK these days, that's a given, yes. But I wonder if the majority who did not attend a church on Easter Day have any idea of the huge Buzz of celebration and joy and hope that was going on in them up and down the land. The one I went to, just an ordinary C of E joint in a small town, wow no way did it seem like things were 'fizzling out'! They should have put a lunch on; no-one wanted to leave. That's the reality behind the bald statistics.

Hey, I don't usually go here on Lit. But there you go. Enough from this foreigner to the GB!

 

[elli1]

Not quite the same without the jesus.

don't know, never had sex with jesus

 

[elli1]

I take your point but I'm talking about another category of believing: a decided embrace of Jesus principles as they apply to relationships and justice and inclusion and wealth and generosity and hope and adventure and all those things which the Gospel is really about which won't be squashed into a pigeon hole labelled 'religion'. That's not 'vague' stuff. It's world-view forming stuff and it's alive and well in the UK. Is it the majority of the population? Probably no. Does it affect the way we are as a group of nations in these islands? I think in an undercurrent way probably yes.

Church attendance figures are a small minority of the total population of the UK these days, that's a given, yes. But I wonder if the majority who did not attend a church on Easter Day have any idea of the huge Buzz of celebration and joy and hope that was going on in them up and down the land. The one I went to, just an ordinary C of E joint in a small town, wow no way did it seem like things were 'fizzling out'! They should have put a lunch on; no-one wanted to leave. That's the reality behind the bald statistics.

Hey, I don't usually go here on Lit. But there you go. Enough from this foreigner to the GB!

i can be a decent human being without believing in a higher power and/or fearing the wrath of god.

 

[Mr Noone]

I have faith in British buggery. All those public school boys who rise to high position in Westminster and the City, where the experience proves useful.

 

[suckonsimon]

i can be a decent human being without believing in a higher power and/or fearing the wrath of god.

And of course you can Elli and were you even possibly thinking that I would not agree with you? I hope not.

 

[dolf]

a decided embrace of Jesus principles as they apply to relationships and justice and inclusion and wealth and generosity and hope and adventure and all those things which the Gospel is really about which won't be squashed into a pigeon hole labelled 'religion'. That's not 'vague' stuff. It's world-view forming stuff and it's alive and well in the UK.

i'm in too much pain and far too cranky to deal with this level of idiocy today. I'll get back to it another time if nobody else gets there first.

 

[suckonsimon]

i'm in too much pain and far too cranky to deal with this level of idiocy today. I'll get back to it another time if nobody else gets there first.

Well cheers, Dolf. I don't get why you need to call my comments 'idiocy'. I'll risk you calling me patronizing as well, by wishing you relief from your pain and crankiness.

OK, I'm a playgrounder at heart. I guess we're all idiots there. I'll go back home.

 

[Lancecastor]

Heres a song for Dolf.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZChoJm7_DUg

 

[unregistered]

 

[kbate]

The reason is obvious:

The penalty for being an unreligious heathen - eternity in a hell of fire.

You already live in England, how much worse can hell be?

 

[dolf]

The reason is obvious:

The penalty for being an unreligious heathen - eternity in a hell of fire.

You already live in England, how much worse can hell be?

wales.

 

[kbate]

wales.

I think wales is where the concept of hell came from. Or perhaps Ireland.