Bring the war home!

[REDWAVE]

The illegitimate Bush regime is almost ready to launch its invasion of Iraq, likely in early March. This will be an imperialist war for world domination. Iraq is right in the center of the Middle East, and control of the Middle East, with its vast oil reserves and strategic location, is key to global hegemony.

While giving no political support whatsoever to Saddam Hussein's regime, which has slaughtered Kurds and leftists in Iraq, we stand unconditionally for military defense of Iraq against U.S. imperialism. Any defeats or setbacks for the U.S. imperialist invaders will be great victories for the oppressed worldwide. Two, three, many Vietnams! Many defeats for U.S. imperialism!

The massive worldwide anti-war demonstrations which took place recently show the world's people are overwhelmingly opposed to this predatory war of naked aggression and mass murder of the Iraqi people. Nevertheless, Bush and the U.S. ruling class are clearly hell-bent on aggression and conquest. The diplomatic maneuverings of France and Germany have slowed the U.S. war drive, but there should be no illusions about those capitalist countries either. They are simply asserting their own imperialist interests, which would be gravely harmed by U.S. domination of the Middle East, their main source of oil. In the end, they will doubtless cave in to intense U.S. pressure and acquiesce to its war drive. Their main concern is simply that they get a share of the spoils too.

When (not if) Bush goes to war against the clearly expressed will of the people, there should be a massive outpouring of anger and outrage worldwide, but especially here in the very belly of the beast, the U.S. We call for massive civil disobedience and political strikes against the war, starting the moment the full-scale war against Iraq begins. As long as the U.S. is engaged in imperialist aggression and mass slaughter of Iraqis, no business as usual should be allowed. Shut the system down!

Bring the war home! Turn the imperialist war into civil war!

Finally, the class and racial divisions within the U.S. military itself are the Achilles' heel of the U.S. war machine, just as they were in Vietnam. We call on U.S. soldiers, sailors, and airmen to resist this unjust war in every way possible. Soldiers-- Turn the Guns Around!


-- Statement of the Fourth Internationalist Committee. Reproduce and distribute as widely as possible.

 

[Vinny]

even though

i do not agree with you, i hope all is going good for you

 

[p_p_man]

What's beginning to give me nightmares...

is the chaos and havoc Bush's America will create in the Middle East once the American Overlord of Iraq is installed.

Who agreed to that piece of imperialism by the way?

ppman

 

[teddybear4play]

While giving no political support whatsoever to Saddam Hussein's regime, which has slaughtered Kurds and leftists in Iraq, we stand unconditionally for military defense of Iraq.

You can't separate the two. And I just love how Saddam, a socialist, kills "leftists" to get stuck on your enemies' list. If he had killed CEO's, soldiers, and talk radio hosts, he'd be your fuckin' hero.

Any defeats or setbacks for the U.S. imperialist invaders will be great victories for the oppressed worldwide. Two, three, many Vietnams!

Number of U.S. military personnel killed in Vietnam: 58,000
Times three: 174,000.

Glad you're on a peace mission.

The massive worldwide anti-war demonstrations which took place recently show the world's people are overwhelmingly opposed to this predatory war of [propaganda bullshit].

Estimated worldwide population, February 26, 2003, 17:58:02 GMT: 6,277,147,849.
Estimate of participants in worldwide anti-war demonstrations, February 15-6, 2003: 2 million.
Percentage of world's population that represents: 0.03%

-- Statement of the Fourth Internationalist Committee.

And know I know why the first three failed. This is more proof than even Charles Darwin could have desired.

TB4p

 

[REDWAVE]

Replies

Vinny-- I'm not doing too badly, thank you. How goes life with you?

But none of that really matters. The important point is, things are not going well with the world.

Ppman-- Chaos and havoc are being created all over the world, although I agree it will be the worst in the Middle East. The capitalist system is in the throes of a major crisis-- perhaps its final crisis.

 

[Vinny]

All is fine. Just waitng for my deployment orders

 

[REDWAVE]

Called up?

I take it you're a reservist who got called up, Vinny?

 

[Vinny]

Yes Sir

 

[REDWAVE]

Sir?

As I'm sure you're aware, Vin, if it were up to me, you'd still be a former Marine doing your civilian job here in the States, not back on active duty.

I hope at least you don't get killed, maimed, or psychologically scarred for life over there.

 

[REDWAVE]

Recession, repression, and war

The war against Iraq is also a war against the working class and the poor worldwide. Bush's attack on the longshore workers was done in the name of "national security." One of the purposes of this war is to distract attention from the growing social and economic crisis at home. (It's not just about oil!) The creeping imposition of a police state is likewise justified by the supposed need to fight "terrorism." War is the health of the state-- as someone once said.

Thus, the anti-war struggle should not be conducted in a vacuum. It should be linked to economic issues and the fight against the police state.

 

[Vinny]

I am strong and was not psychologically impaired the first time. Thanks for your well wishes

 

[RosevilleCAguy]

Hey RED,

Ever thought of volunteering to be a human shield?

I can take up a collection for your airfare.

Heck, if you're willing to share "political solidarity" with the Iraqi regime, perhaps you can show it?

I do have a question though. Are using rape as an interrogation tool, crushing the feet of a two year old child to make her father talk, starving an infant just out of arms reach of its mother's breast so mom will "confess" or killing people using thalium poisoning political acts?

 

[Linedrive]

While giving no political support whatsoever to Saddam Hussein's regime, which has slaughtered Kurds and leftists in Iraq, we stand unconditionally for military defense of Iraq against U.S. imperialism. Any defeats or setbacks for the U.S. imperialist invaders will be great victories for the oppressed worldwide. Two, three, many Vietnams! Many defeats for U.S. imperialism!


Once again, expect to see Iraqi soldiers surrendering to CNN cameramen. As Roseville mentioned, if you really want to make a statement you'll spend sixteen hours a day standing next to an Iraqi ammunition dump.

 

[REDWAVE]

I'm more useful here

Hey RED,

Ever thought of volunteering to be a human shield?

I can take up a collection for your airfare.

Heck, if you're willing to share "political solidarity" with the Iraqi regime, perhaps you can show it?

I do have a question though. Are using rape as an interrogation tool, crushing the feet of a two year old child to make her father talk, starving an infant just out of arms reach of its mother's breast so mom will "confess" or killing people using thalium poisoning political acts?

Although I admire the courage and idealism of those who have volunteered to be human shields, I do not think it is a good tactic. It is taking very committed and dedicated activists and isolating them from their communities, not to mention putting them in harm's way. They would be more effective staying where they are, and engaging in demonstrations, strikes, etc.

As for your question on torture, please clarify. Are you referring to techniques used by the U.S. military at Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere, or by the many brutal right-wing dictatorships (such as Pinochet in Chile, for instance) put in power and/or backed by the U.S. government?

 

[REDWAVE]

Der Fuehrer Speaks!

Our glorious unelected leader is on the air now, spewing out more absurd war propaganda against Iraq. Sieg Heil!

 

[Tungwagger]

I just hope CNN is broadcasting live once again when the first wave of cruise missles hits....

I'll kick back on the recliner, beer in hand knowing how irate RED will get at the news.

Chug the beer, tell my kid to fetch another one, and scream each time a bomb blast is seen in the distance..... BOOOOYAAHHH!!!

Then I'll pull a Clinton.....

"To all the protesters: I "feel" your pain"....

<BUUUUURRRPP>

 

[REDWAVE]

Anyone who rejoices over mass slaughter is truly sick.

 

[teddybear4play]

Anyone who rejoices over mass slaughter is truly sick.

Any defeats or setbacks for the U.S. imperialist invaders will be great victories for the oppressed worldwide. Two, three, many Vietnams!

Number of U.S. military personnel killed in Vietnam: 58,000
Times three: 174,000.

Glad you're on a peace mission.

TB4p

 

[Sandia]

Hi Redwave. Still fighting the good fight?

This is no simple attempt to defang a villain. No. This coming battle, if it materializes, represents a turning point in US Foreign policy and possibly a turning point in the recent history of the world. This nation is about embark upon the first test of a revolutionary doctrine applied in an extraordinary way at an unfortunate time. The doctrine of pre-emption - the idea that the US or any other nation can legitimately attack a nation that is not imminently threatening but may be threatening in the future - is a radical new twist on the traditional idea of self-defense.

That was Sen. Robert Byrd. Bush's war would transform the nation from a country that traditionally fought defensive wars to one that engages in aggressive warfare. It sets a precedent - it marginalizes the UN, delegitimizes international law, and creates a climate of fear. Bush is fighting for the law of the schoolyard bully - the biggest kid sets the rules.

 

[REDWAVE]

Hi, Sandia!

Actually, I'm mostly taking it easy these days. Other people, with more moderate views than mine, have been taking the lead. Public opinion has shifted greatly in only a little more than a year.

 

[Sandia]

You lost me, Red. Are you talking about lit, or the world writ large?

 

[REDWAVE]

Both--

but mainly the world writ large, or at least the U.S. Not all that long ago, Bush's approval ratings were in the stratosphere. Now they're barely scraping above 50%, about where they were just before 911. And on economic issues, they're below 50%. I just looked at a poll on the AP wire which said over 60% of Americans oppose going to war with Iraq without UN approval, which right now is looking difficult to get. It's going to take a lot more bribing and arm-twisting by U.S. diplomats.

And in talking to members of the public (and I talk to a fairly broad cross-section), I've found Bush has a lot more detractors than defenders these days.

 

[p_p_man]

I just hope CNN is broadcasting live once again when the first wave of cruise missles hits....

I'll kick back on the recliner, beer in hand knowing how irate RED will get at the news.

And how will you feel when the car bombs, the bag bombs and the parcel bombs start exploding all over America, in Shopping Malls, Sports arenas, theatres and the streets?

ppman

 

[REDWAVE]

P p man

Let's hope that doesn't happen. What I rejoice over, and look forward to more of, are the mass protests by the American people against this war.

 

[p_p_man]

Re: P p man

Let's hope that doesn't happen.

I don't think you can hope anything of the sort.

Americans still seem to feel that they're isolated somehow from conflicts they start far from their home territory. And in the past they were right...

But this is an invasion against a man who will do anything to keep in power. Or failing that go down fighting. His background as an assassin for the Baa'th party and his conduct since becoming President indicates his willingness and ability to kill, especially if the chips are down.

He will make allies of terrorist groups throughout the world provided they can inflict as much damage on small town America as possible.

Bush has always said he's linked with al Qaida which I've had my doubts about, but in this particular situation he probably will seek their support, if he hasn't done so already.

Open societies like ours are easy pickings for the terrorist. And even when we're bombing Baghdad to total destruction it doesn't mean that other fronts will not be automatically opened on our own home ground...

Bush isn't the only one who can make plans for alternative futures...

ppman