Braking Contract

[Lizzie_Borden]

i would like too make this last post to the people i snapped at. I'm sorry that i did but i was just venting. i had had a really bad week and it just pushed me over and i exploded. i am sry i just hope that you all will please just leave it alone now. i dont want too fight with anyone you would be surprised if you just came too me and talked with me with out being angry with me. all you need is to understand and talk with me and you may learn something.

But people tried that, and you still lost your shit at them.

What makes you think they'll want to try again?

 

[the captians wench]

Grammar/spelling/punctuation cant be that important here because there are countless times when mistakes are made and nothing is said.

Sorry, I think every one just lables me as a lost cause.

 

[Essene]

Sorry, I think every one just lables me as a lost cause.

Oh honey!

I always enjoy your posts. You also have a fantastic vocabulary.

 

[the captians wench]

Oh honey!

I always enjoy your posts. You also have a fantastic vocabulary.

Yes, I know many big words. . . I just don't always know how to spell them.

 

[Essene]

Yes, I know many big words. . . I just don't always know how to spell them.

So what if there's an error here or there? From what I've seen it's all been phonetically sound, and that's all that matters. You communicate effectively, efficiently, and with purpose; you reach the listener.

If anyone gives you crap about it, I'll beat 'em up - and humiliate them. (The latter part is merely for my own amusement.)

-Even if it was Stella who was bothering you. He's a sick fuck though. He'd prolly like it.

 

[Lizzie_Borden]

Yes, I know many big words. . . I just don't always know how to spell them.

And that doesn't matter, because you get your point across.



It's when the language used is so poor that the post doesn't even make sense, that someone will say something, as shown earlier here.

 

[minx1]

Sorry, I think every one just lables me as a lost cause.

you are far from that chick!

 

[the captians wench]

*giggles* I was joking mostly. but thanks girls.

 

[Black_Bunny]

another thing that could be learned from all of this...

Writing eloquently makes a big difference on a forum. Words are what we have here, they are our tools, so use them to your best ability.

I agree, particularly on a forum based around literature!

 

[chy_girl]

I understand what you are saying but i kinda hope this isnt the case. Or at least its not as black and white as that.

Some people and I point Bloved as an example have the ability to create eloquent prose, it doesnt mean that their message is any more valid. In his case the general consensus was it couldnt be more off target.

Spelling isnt something I'm going to get my knickers in a twist over if the overall message is one of merit.

I like that this board is inclusive and welcomes people who may struggle with their written English, for one reason or another.

But I have just noticed something and I think I may have been guilty of it in the past too. Sometimes I think we use other peoples spelling and grammar as a weapon and way to berate them. I think there are inconsistencies in that respect. You can see more examples of this on the board, than examples of someone pointing out a grammatical error to someone who is regarded as a friend or a community member. And that doesnt seem right, particularly when we are pointing out that they are behaving in an immature way or acting like a dick.

Grammar/spelling/punctuation cant be that important here because there are countless times when mistakes are made and nothing is said.

And I was interested in what Chy said about people with dyslexia etc reading and thinking how bad the post was. It made me think..... I wonder how many people dont contribute because they are worried that their dyslexia for example, might be picked up on.

As for the OP, bloved et al..... An arse is an arse regardless of their command of the english language.

I'm sorry I know you are all chatting about brekkie cereal and I've just got all heavy and shit, but I think its a really interesting discussion to have. Maybe I will start a thread or maybe not lol

The odd thing is, most everyone I've known with a LD that effects written communication learns the tricks that are effective for them and will double check stuff. It's almost an OCD issue for me in this type of venue... But it's also how I continue to learn.

Am I always going to remember which is loose and which is lose? No. Am I ever going to remember where all the commas and grammatical crap go? *snort* Not a snowball's chance in hell on a hot day. But I do make every effort to write in a way that is coherent and semi-readable. And, personally, I'm rather forgiving about the technicalities because I don't have room to talk... However, someone who can't consistently decide if it's "i" or "I" in the same post, someone who doesn't even attempt to right click the red lines under words, someone who has three paragraphs and two periods... it shows a lack of effort, especially if they post legibly in another thread.

And I'm sorry, but no matter how great the content is, if the technicalities are so poorly carried out that I can't understand it through my learning disability then it's putting a rather poor foot forward.

Mistakes happen. Bad days and dancing keys happen. Being in a hurry happens. ESL is a part of life, as are learning disabilities. Those are separate issues than plain being too lazy to right click a red line or put in a period.

Just my IMHO.

 

[Claire73]

Yes, I know many big words. . . I just don't always know how to spell them.

I think you're entitled to spell croissant wrong, as long as you're not French

 

[minx1]

I agree, particularly on a forum based around literature!

Though I wonder how many came here to read erotic stories rather than write them? *shrugs*
I came here for that reason initially and when I began posting, it was because I was interested in submission. Writing literature was the furthest thing from my mind.

The odd thing is, most everyone I've known with a LD that effects written communication learns the tricks that are effective for them and will double check stuff. It's almost an OCD issue for me in this type of venue... But it's also how I continue to learn.

Am I always going to remember which is loose and which is lose? No. Am I ever going to remember where all the commas and grammatical crap go? *snort* Not a snowball's chance in hell on a hot day. But I do make every effort to write in a way that is coherent and semi-readable. And, personally, I'm rather forgiving about the technicalities because I don't have room to talk... However, someone who can't consistently decide if it's "i" or "I" in the same post, someone who doesn't even attempt to right click the red lines under words, someone who has three paragraphs and two periods... it shows a lack of effort, especially if they post legibly in another thread.

And I'm sorry, but no matter how great the content is, if the technicalities are so poorly carried out that I can't understand it through my learning disability then it's putting a rather poor foot forward.

Mistakes happen. Bad days and dancing keys happen. Being in a hurry happens. ESL is a part of life, as are learning disabilities. Those are separate issues than plain being too lazy to right click a red line or put in a period.

Just my IMHO.

of course. Opinions are there to be had and i'm a great believer in each to their own.

I sat next to a girl in college who was dyslexic. She found it pretty hard to deal with mainly because she was embarassed about what people thought about the quality of her work.

I know that you and Stella have probably both used the term ''forgiving'' in this context to say you are happy to overlook grammatical errors etc, but I guess that was my point...there seem to be instances when its ok to overlook it and instances when we (and as I said i may have done it myself) pull people up. *shrugs*

Surely its either an issue in this forum or its not. How can it be an issue sometimes and not others? And yes, I am playing devils advocate.
I just hate to think we would use a lack of access/opportunity to education or a learning disability to berate people.

Just mho.

 

[Seurat]

Surely its either an issue in this forum or its not. How can it be an issue sometimes and not others? And yes, I am playing devils advocate.
I just hate to think we would use a lack of access/opportunity to education or a learning disability to berate people.

I don't think of it as black or white. I am far from perfect when it comes to my writing, so I try not to judge others. BUT...I think there comes a point in a person's writing, whether it is a story or a post, where poor grammar and spelling detract so much from the post that the content is no longer the focal point.

That fine line separates the "I see your point and empathize" from the "your post was so poorly stated as to be incomprehensible", and varies from person to person. When a post looks more like a text than something written by somebody with a high school education (pretty much anybody over eighteen) and access to spell check, well...I think that's where people start to lose it. And since this forum has a spell check built in, I don't see many valid excuses. Look at your post, watch for squiggly red lines, and at least your misspelled words are corrected.




Worst story example I've seen, outside of spelling mistakes in the title or description (I won't even read those) was a recent author that used '&' instead of 'and' throughout the entire story.

 

[Etoile]

For the record, "rude" is not a reason to report a post. Please review the forum rules, linked to at the bottom of every page. Thanks!

 

[the captians wench]

For the record. One of the reasons for my "every one's decided I'm a lost cause" post was that I was one of the people who used to be critisized for my spelling error. I have horrid spelling, but it used to be worse. My spelling was so terrible, I limited my vocabulary when I posted here choosing words that less apealed to me but were smaller and easier to spell. I was singled out and taunted a few times. Gracie, God love her, saw one of my posts of frustration (because much like minxie is doing now I posted about the grammar police here and how they dictated, in a way, where, when, and even what I posted) and PMed me about the google tool bar. I admited to her that I don't like extra tool bars, and I find it quite anoying to have to spell check every post to please some one else. I come here to relax, for fun, not to feel like I'm working. And okay I admit, that is laziness, but there you go.

But my spelling was wretched then, it always has been, but my gramar and vocabulary I have worked very hard on. As a child I tried to make up for my poor spelling by having perfect grammar and knowing words no one else my age used. I took pride in it, as I just could not get all of these spelling rules. The hispanics at work tease me because I spell much better in Spanish than I do English, and Spanish is a second launguage.

I stuck it out here mostly out of stubborness. I like this place, and I was not going to be run off by some one who's only issue with what I post is that I have trouble going two sentences with out a spelling error. And I told Gracie then, if they don't like it, they can put me on ignore.

But those were the days when people put forth an effort to make things coherent. There were exceptions for those who tried, those who stuck it out. Bitchinfire comes to mind. She's taught herself English. I remember her being belittled because of her gramatical and spelling errors, but when she it was known that she's taught herself English from using message boards (very admirable) she was given leeway and tollerance, but she makes an effort to better herself, and her English. I have no tollerance for people who do not put forth any effort at all. I will never be one to post and correct some one, but I am likely to ignore them, their posts, and/or threads that they start.

 

[Etoile]

I think it's pretty easy to tell the difference between somebody who can't spell (or who has a learning disability) and somebody who is a dumbass. It's possible to write well even if you are dyslexic or have any other LD. The difference is basically "is this person putting thought into their post, or are they just typing to hear themselves type?"

Oh, and Biatchinfire's English has totally improved over the years, I remember when she came here it was sometimes hard to get her meaning and now you can't even tell she's not a native speaker!

 

[Bette_coquette]

All I know is I now want a big bowl of Cocoa Krispies.

 

[the captians wench]

I think it's pretty easy to tell the difference between somebody who can't spell (or who has a learning disability) and somebody who is a dumbass. It's possible to write well even if you are dyslexic or have any other LD. The difference is basically "is this person putting thought into their post, or are they just typing to hear themselves type?"

Oh, and Biatchinfire's English has totally improved over the years, I remember when she came here it was sometimes hard to get her meaning and now you can't even tell she's not a native speaker!

Yes, it has!

 

[satindesire]

Yes, I know many big words. . . I just don't always know how to spell them.

You know sweetie, you could always download the Firefox browser. It has a spell check built into it!

 

[DeepGreenEyes]

The subtlety of your sardonicism is lost, luv.

Keep up the good work.

Damn! "sardonicism"??? Really? That's like a 3-pointer from half court.

It's supposed to be a joke. xD

Yes. Supposed is the operative word.

i would like too make this last post to the people i snapped at. I'm sorry that i did but i was just venting. i had had a really bad week and it just pushed me over and i exploded. i am sry i just hope that you all will please just leave it alone now. i dont want too fight with anyone you would be surprised if you just came too me and talked with me with out being angry with me. all you need is to understand and talk with me and you may learn something.

Kudos for returning and trying to explain.

 

[the captians wench]

You know sweetie, you could always download the Firefox browser. It has a spell check built into it!

Like I said, I'm admitedly lazy. And for some reason, spell checker doesn't help me learn. I'm not sure why that is. Maybe it's because I just click click click instead of looking at my mistake, looking at the correction, and obsorbing it.

Reading helps more than anything, but I have issues reading black print. For some reason the words blur together. There was a period when my teachers thought that I might have some sort of LD. I would write backwords, and some times I would write paragraphs (2nd grade paragraphs) switching back and forth, one the correct way and one with letters and all written perfectly backwords. My mom decided it was a call for attention so they ignored it. I was always so much brighter than the other students, it was just too hard to believe that I had an LD. When speaking to a friend last night, we wonder if perhaps it has more to do with the way my eyes take in contrast than a LD.

I'm not worried about my spelling. When it really bugs me, I use the little spell checker built in here. *shrug* It's not something I worry about anymore, but at one point it was and I just felt like bringing it up because it fits with minxie's point.

 

[satindesire]

I'm not worried about my spelling. When it really bugs me, I use the little spell checker built in here. *shrug* It's not something I worry about anymore, but at one point it was and I just felt like bringing it up because it fits with minxie's point.

Spell checkers help me learn because I can see my mistake and the correct spelling for it. Even though I have always been okay at spelling since childhood, I've gotten better with harder words since I started using firefox.

Usually because what I do is I look at my misspelled word, then look at the correct one and memorize it. It takes more effort, but I'm really obsessive over being clear in my text. I tend to write very...uh...how do I explain it?

I sound like a bitch in text, a lot, because I guess I'm so direct and matter-of-fact?... and I've learned that people take me wrong unless I'm really super obvious with trying to show them that I'm not hostile or mean. So I try and eliminate any mistakes as much as I can so that I'm 100% clear.

I hate it sometimes when people take me wrong, if I'm not clear enough in not being rude, but I don't really know how to force myself to write any differently.

ETA: I forgot to add this before posting.

I've noticed that people judge people at face value. That's human nature, and not necessarily a flaw. If someone looks like they can't put any effort into writing, especially when asking a question, my feeling is this. "If you can't put effort into asking, why should I put more effort than you in answering?"

It's all down to how much you're willing to give first.

 

[BiaTcHiNFiRe]

Oh, and Biatchinfire's English has totally improved over the years, I remember when she came here it was sometimes hard to get her meaning and now you can't even tell she's not a native speaker!

hehe I think my English still suck, but thank you!

But you are right, when I joined Lit I could barely speak English at all. When I read some of my old posts, I am like WTH! I must laugh at myself and I am still editing them so they would make some sense.

Now I can say I understand English pretty well. It's a bit harder when I wanna say something as I am a really bad speaker, even in my own languae lol, but I try. I always wanna say something, but I miss the right words. And when I actualy say something it sounds totaly different than I wanted sooooo...

Well I am better all quiet anyways. I lack on creative things to say.

 

[satindesire]

hehe I think my English still suck, but thank you!

But you are right, when I joined Lit I could barely speak English at all. When I read some of my old posts, I am like WTH! I must laugh at myself and I am still editing them so they would make some sense.

Now I can say I understand English pretty well. It's a bit harder when I wanna say something as I am a really bad speaker, even in my own languae lol, but I try. I always wanna say something, but I miss the right words. And when I actualy say something it sounds totaly different than I wanted sooooo...

Well I am better all quiet anyways. I lack on creative things to say.

What language is your first?

 

[BiaTcHiNFiRe]

What language is your first?

Czech