BOMBSHELL, but really we knew this, didnt we?

[garbage can]

So, the terrorists know that all they have to do is keep up a level of violence for the next two and a half years and then the U.S. will leave under a new Democratic president and they'll have free rein in the place. Is that the message that Democrats really want to be sending?

Interesting interview, and of course the Democrats are sending that exact message.

I liked the point about how many Americans have deserted their principals, when the war is going badly.

 

[Sean]

At the Hay Festival last year, I heard Christopher Hitchens and his brother speak. His brother called him a liar and a traitor to everything he proffessed to stand for. Just sayin'

 

[BlueEyesInLevis]

He had them, he used them, now he doesn't have them anymore. Is that so strange?

He said he still had them. And he always tells the truth, right?

Saddam has known about Dubya since he was in short pants. He knew Dubya couldn't handle an invasion. And he was absolutely right.

Like I said before you analysis just makes no fucking sense.

All he had to do to avoid being overthrown was show how and where he destroyed the WMDs. Or better yet invite the inspectors in to observe theie destrruction. But he didnt.

Now since you believe that illogical scenario, explain why.

Your rabid hate of Bush has destroyed your common sense.

 

[busybody..]

tis true, CH changed his views based on NEW EVIDENCE and NEW CIRCUMSTANCE

so?


"Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of SIMPLE MINDS!"

"When circumstances change, I change my mind, what do YOU DO, Sir?"

 

[garbage can]

At the Hay Festival last year, I heard Christopher Hitchens and his brother speak. His brother called him a liar and a traitor to everything he proffessed to stand for. Just sayin'

I like Hitchens' accent. What type is it?

 

[Sean]

tis true, CH changed his views based on NEW EVIDENCE and NEW CIRCUMSTANCE

so?


"Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of SIMPLE MINDS!"

"When circumstances change, I change my mind, what do YOU DO, Sir?"

Funny how his views changed just after he started writing for The Daily Telegraph, isn't it?

 

[busybody..]

Funny how his views changed just after he started writing for The Daily Telegraph, isn't it?

No

it changed with 9/11 or thereabouts

 

[Sean]

I like Hitchens' accent. What type is it?

Basic Oxbridge educated Brit. You can hear a million like that in London wine bars.

 

[Sean]

No

it changed with 9/11 or thereabouts

Try again, BB. Everyone on the planet, near enough, supported the US attack on Afghanistan in response to 911. The debacle in Iraq, however, is another matter.

 

[BlueEyesInLevis]

At the Hay Festival last year, I heard Christopher Hitchens and his brother speak. His brother called him a liar and a traitor to everything he proffessed to stand for. Just sayin'

Yes, it USED to be that liberalism prided itself on standing up to dictators and despots, supported democratic rights and championed the cause of women's rights.

That all went out the window when Bush was elected. He threw out the despot, installed a representative government and insisted that women be allowed to vote. All that matters now is visceral, rabid hatred of Bush and EVERYTHING he supports. Even when those ideals were once championed.

 

[busybody..]

Try again, BB. Everyone on the planet, near enough, supported the US attack on Afghanistan in response to 911. The debacle in Iraq, however, is another matter.

that is NOT true at all

You have your facts wrong again

 

[Sean]

Yes, it USED to be that liberalism prided itself on standing up to dictators and despots, supported democratic rights and championed the cause of women's rights.

That all went out the window when Bush was elected he threw out the despot, installed a representative government and insisted that women be allowed to vote. All that matters now is visceral, rabid hatred of Bush and EVERYTHING he supports. Even when those ideals were once championed.

LOL, every time you post something you appear more ignorant. Go and do some research on Hitchens before you start running your mouth and making yourself look an even bigger fool.

 

[busybody..]

Pergy

When it happens once or twice or three time or twenty times you can say it aint bias but rather a MISTAKE


when it ALWAYS happens its BIAS!

the main media is anti America

more

Rats! Another Hoax

We commented here on the New York Times' falling for a hoaxer who claimed to be the man in the most famous photograph taken at Abu Ghraib. His story, seemingly, was just too good to check.

Now the Times has fallen for another fraud. And, curiously enough, it ties in with another of the Times' favorite opportunities to bash the Bush administration--Hurricane Katrina! From today's Corrections section:

An article in The Metro Section on March 8 profiled Donna Fenton, identifying her as a 37-year-old victim of Hurricane Katrina who had fled Biloxi, Miss., and who was frustrated in efforts to get federal aid as she and her children remained as emergency residents of a hotel in Queens.


Yesterday, the New York police arrested Ms. Fenton, charging her with several counts of welfare fraud and grand larceny. Prosecutors in Brooklyn say she was not a Katrina victim, never lived in Biloxi and had improperly received thousands of dollars in government aid. Ms. Fenton has pleaded not guilty.

For its profile, The Times did not conduct adequate interviews or public record checks to verify Ms. Fenton's account, including her claim that she had lived in Biloxi. Such checks would have uncovered a fraud conviction and raised serious questions about the truthfulness of her account.

An article about her arrest and the findings from additional reporting about her claims appears today on Page B1.


A lot of mainstream reporters seem to believe that if a story fits with their preconceived opinions, there is no need to check the facts.

 

[BlueEyesInLevis]

that is NOT true at all

You have your facts wrong again

You are so correct BB!


How many nations joined us in Iraq? Lets see...
Great Britian
Spain
Italy
Most of Eastern Europe
Australia
Japan

And there were many more.

 

[busybody..]

there is an overwhelmong desire to portray the US and Bush in bad a light as possible

articles are published with virtually NO DUE DILLEGENCE

or DD that a 6 yr old wouldnt rely on!

 

[BlueEyesInLevis]

LOL, every time you post something you appear more ignorant. Go and do some research on Hitchens before you start running your mouth and making yourself look an even bigger fool.

Tell me EXACTLY what about my statement is wrong.

 

[Sean]

Pergy

When it happens once or twice or three time or twenty times you can say it aint bias but rather a MISTAKE


when it ALWAYS happens its BIAS!

the main media is anti America

more

Rats! Another Hoax

LOL, does the NYT EVER check it's sources?

 

[busybody..]

Sean

after 9/11 so may pointed to the Le Monde editorial that said

"We are all Americans"

to show how the "world" stood with us

but WHO bothered to read the actual editorial?

they were BASHING the US even as the towers fell

NO, WE DIDNT GET APPLAUSE IN AFGHANISTAN!

Less bitching then Iraq, true, but hardly applause

 

[busybody..]

LOL, does the NYT EVER check it's sources?

they rely on the WORD of people that shouldnt be trusted and they know it

 

[Sean]

Tell me EXACTLY what about my statement is wrong.

You know NOTHING about Christopher Hitchens, I've been reading the bloke since I was about 15. Do some research.

 

[Sean]

Sean

after 9/11 so may pointed to the Le Monde editorial that said

"We are all Americans"

to show how the "world" stood with us

but WHO bothered to read the actual editorial?

they were BASHING the US even as the towers fell

NO, WE DIDNT GET APPLAUSE IN AFGHANISTAN!

Less bitching then Iraq, true, but hardly applause

I disagree. After 911 the whole world, with the obvious exceptions, stood with the US. Bush's bullshit escapade in Iraq squandered that goodwill. Now the US is hated in countries that were traditionally friendly or, at worst, ambivalent. How does that make the US a safer place?

 

[busybody..]

I disagree. After 911 the whole world, QUOTE]
that is 100% incorrect

NATO invoked Article V, we assumed that meant they stood with us and believed it was an attack on them as well

INSTEAD

they said it meant, since it was an attack on ALL of em, we COULDNT act UNLESS THEY ALL AGREED!

The US told em FUCK YOU!

We are goin in with or without YOU

A good chunck of NATO troops in there do NOTHING, cause they dont wanna fight and think its WRONG to kill the bad guys. They are there for show.

Read the Le Mond editorial and come back!

 

[Sean]

I disagree. After 911 the whole world, QUOTE]
that is 100% incorrect

NATO invoked Article V, we assumed that meant they stood with us and believed it was an attack on them as well

INSTEAD

they said it meant, since it was an attack on ALL of em, we COULDNT act UNLESS THEY ALL AGREED!

The US told em FUCK YOU!

We are goin in with or without YOU

A good chunck of NATO troops in there do NOTHING, cause they dont wanna fight and think its WRONG to kill the bad guys. They are there for show.

Read the Le Mond editorial and come back!

I don't remember anyone seriously objecting to the US action in Afghanistan. Even Syria agreed in the end.

 

[busybody..]

your memory is faulty

 

[phrodeau]

Like I said before you analysis just makes no fucking sense.

All he had to do to avoid being overthrown was show how and where he destroyed the WMDs. Or better yet invite the inspectors in to observe theie destrruction. But he didnt.

Now since you believe that illogical scenario, explain why.

Your rabid hate of Bush has destroyed your common sense.

There are a number of possibilities and explanations. It shouldn't tax your imagination to come up with several. Hussein has been successfully bluffing since before this millennium.

How much do you know about Saddam and the Baathist party and their tactics? Consider how secretive and reactive the Bush administration is, and multiply that by, say, three.

You can't expect any nation to drop its pants for the UN, because the rest of the world would get a peek too. That applies to the US and Israel as well; consider all of the UN resolutions they have violated.