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ohh i'm just peeved right now -- {non-lit related}

was looking at a news update about the cash for clunkers.... see below...

I looked my car up at http://www.fueleconomy.gov website and found that mine is just ONE above. My car is definitely a "hoopty mobile" and the gas mileage sucks but evidently doesn't suck enough. And it has over 100,000 miles on it. It just limps along. But I guess I'll just scrimp, pinch and save what I can and get me something that has... oh 80,000 miles *rolls my eyes*

God forbid I go into a dealership and they tell me I qualify and then call me, after I have the car and tell me - "well, you don't qualify now and either gives us the $4,500 back or bring back the car" :eek:

So this not only a blurt but a little bit of helpfulness for those thinking about getting rid of their clunker or hoopty mobile.

Clunker Confusion: MPG Figures

Some car shoppers find that the fuel economy for their old cars has suddenly improved - making them ineligible for Cash for Clunkers.


By Peter Valdes-Dapena, CNNMoney.com senior writer

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Some car shoppers are finding that their trade-in vehicles, which qualified for a Cash for Clunkers rebate last week, don't this week thanks to changes in the EPA's fuel economy ratings.

In some cases, car buyers say, dealers are backing out of sales they've already made because the EPA changed the fuel economy figures on their trade-in.

"My wife just received a call from the sales manager saying that our clunker doesn't qualify anymore, and that we could either pay the extra $4,500 or return the new car (and get our old car back)," a car buyer wrote Tuesday on a message board at the Edmunds.com automotive Web site.

The buyer said he had signed a document agreeing to provide additional documentation needed to process his trade-in, but had not done so yet.

Another car shopper emailed CNNMoney.com saying he went to the Environmental Protection Agency's fueleconomy.gov Web site on Saturday to double-check the fuel economy rating for his 1987 Mercury Grand Marquis. When he had visited previously, the car's combined city and highway fuel economy was rated at 18 miles per gallon, making it eligible for the program.

But on Saturday, he found something different: The fuel economy for his car had been raised to 19 mpg -- one mile per gallon over the maximum fuel-efficiency allowed under the Car Allowance Rebate System (aka Cash for Clunkers). As a result, he became ineligible for a trade-in credit worth up to $4,500.

Even though the program's basic requirements have been known since it was created by Congress earlier this year, Cash for Clunkers didn't become official until July 24. So as part of the official launch, the EPA conducted "quality assurance and quality control effort regarding fuel economy calculations on more than 30,000 vehicle model types spanning the past 25 years," according to an e-mail sent by EPA spokesman Dale Kemery.

As a result, eligibility for roughly 100 vehicles was affected, Kemery wrote. However, roughly equal numbers became newly eligible and newly ineligible.

Car shoppers have been posting comments on various Internet message boards, including several at the automotive Web site Edmunds.com, describing their frustration with the changes.

The owners of a 1993 Camry V6 wagon, a 1995 Saab 900S and a 1988 Toyota 4Runner all describe their vehicles becoming suddenly ineligible for the program around the time the rules officially went into effect.

Consumers who believe their eligibility may have been hurt by EPA's changes should contact the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which administers Cash For Clunkers.

"They should call our attention to it," said Rae Tyson, spokesman for the NHTSA. He did not promise, however, that the agency would bend the rules.

Cash for Clunkers benefits are retroactive to July 1, so dealers have been able to make deals since that date. But they had to wait until July 24 to file for their reimbursement checks.

Hyundai Motor America has been helping its dealers close Cash for Clunkers deals since July 1 by providing them with cash advances equal to the expected CARS rebate, a Hyundai spokesman said. As of last Friday, about 14% of Hyundai sales were Cash for Clunker deals, according to the automaker. Last month, Hyundai sold about 38,000 cars.

It is unclear if any of Hyundai's deals so far were made ineligible by the changes, said Hyundai spokesman Phil Leinert, or how the automaker might deal with situations in which a car's eligibility changed.

Brian Benstock, owner of Paragon Honda in New York City, said he's done 33 Cash for Clunkers deals since July 1. So far, he said, he has had no problems because of altered fuel economy numbers.

"Fortunately, most of our customers weren't on the edge," he said. The average fuel economy of his Clunker trade-ins has been about 16 mpg, he said.

Dealers who entered into agreements with customers before last Friday, based on a fuel economy figure listed at fueleconomy.gov, have only themselves to blame, said Tyson.

"We made it very clear that they would be holding themselves out to some risk if they consummate a deal before the program officially begins," Tyson said.
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MollyDolly said:
Boy, am I happy to be a Canadian citizen- for the most part, I've always had wonderful health care, and it's never a matter of how much I can afford to have done. I can see a doctor whenever I need to (if I have to wait six hours at the emergency room, I can evaluate whether or not it's seriously enough to wait or go to my doctor the next day). I can't imagine, being as cash-strapped as I am, having to pay to see my specialists, or have the operations I've had over the past two years, or pay for the medication I'll be taking every day for the rest of my life. No matter what problems there may be in the Canadian health system, we're very fortunate :)
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Wait til you get older. Then they'll tell you to drop dead or go to the states to get a procedure.
 
mwmnpa said:
Wait til you get older. Then they'll tell you to drop dead or go to the states to get a procedure.
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I disagree- I've waited very little time for surgeries I've required, including one exploratory surgery when an ER doctor suspected cancer after a CT scan. There are horror stories, but nothing like people not getting procedures because they can't afford to have them, and no children being turned away from operations because their parents can't foot the bill. Canadians can bitch all they like- but the complainers should move south if they love the American health system so much :) If one can afford to pay and can't wait, then go do it so we poor Canadians can have more expedient treatment :)
 
mwmnpa said:
Wait til you get older. Then they'll tell you to drop dead or go to the states to get a procedure.
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No, those of us in the U.S. without insurance and cannot afford any (like me) are the ones who are supposed to drop dead, apparently.
 
MollyDolly said:
I disagree- I've waited very little time for surgeries I've required, including one exploratory surgery when an ER doctor suspected cancer after a CT scan. There are horror stories, but nothing like people not getting procedures because they can't afford to have them, and no children being turned away from operations because their parents can't foot the bill. Canadians can bitch all they like- but the complainers should move south if they love the American health system so much :) If one can afford to pay and can't wait, then go do it so we poor Canadians can have more expedient treatment :)
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PenforPrez said:
No, those of us in the U.S. without insurance and cannot afford any (like me) are the ones who are supposed to drop dead, apparently.
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OK, I'm not about to get in to this argument here. But suffice it to say, we have first hand experience with many older Canadians and Brits who come here for procedures because they go on a "waiting list" in their respective countries. So yes Molly, you do, indeed have fellow citizens that are basically denied care. And I can also say that many uninsured patients here get treatment and simply walk out, leaving the hospital holding the bill.

No, ours isn't perfect. None are. And no country with a the population approaching that of the US has taken on the monumental task of guuaranteeing health care for everyone. These are uncharted waters.

*steps off soapbox*
 
Blurt 1: God that was beautiful. Thank you.
Blurt 2: "You need to get fucked." A few people have remarked this to me. I'm thinking they may be right. :rolleyes:
Blurt 3: Usually I don't care much for McDonald's. But this morning, it hit the spot. :D
 
It's a damned shame that we have become an entitlement country. Hell even ILLEGAL ALIENS get free health care. Maybe if we tightened our borders instead of taxing the more well to do we could get a decent healthcare system. Maybe if we required proof of citizenship at time of health care provisions there wouild be more help for our own citizenry.

I pay out of pocket for healthcare and I'm just glad I can.

I hope we can one day get healthcare that is universal, but I don't see it happening while we pay the bill for CRIMINALS. Yeah they come across our borders illegally, they're criminals. Then they spawn in country so thier children are citizens. They then pull at our nation's heartstrings with the BULLSHIT of seperating children from parents. Hell, send the kids with the parents and when they are adults they can come home to the country of thier birth.

Sorry if I've pissed anyone off, but this is how I see the healthcare system at this time.
 
Wyldfire said:
It's a damned shame that we have become an entitlement country. Hell even ILLEGAL ALIENS get free health care. Maybe if we tightened our borders instead of taxing the more well to do we could get a decent healthcare system. Maybe if we required proof of citizenship at time of health care provisions there wouild be more help for our own citizenry.

I pay out of pocket for healthcare and I'm just glad I can.

I hope we can one day get healthcare that is universal, but I don't see it happening while we pay the bill for CRIMINALS. Yeah they come across our borders illegally, they're criminals. Then they spawn in country so thier children are citizens. They then pull at our nation's heartstrings with the BULLSHIT of seperating children from parents. Hell, send the kids with the parents and when they are adults they can come home to the country of thier birth.

Sorry if I've pissed anyone off, but this is how I see the healthcare system at this time.
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As to that portion of the thread dealing with illegal immigration, I agree completely. Imagine, if you will, what would happen if we tried to pull the same BS down in one of their countries. Would they post everything in English for us? Would they give us free healthcare? Would they allow us to flout their immigration laws? Would they give us welfare?

Methinks the answer is obvious.
 
Hard Luck Woman

If never I'd met you
I'd never have seen you cry
If not for a first hello,
I'd never have to say good-bye

Etc....

You know what I mean...
 
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