Blessed are the peacemakers...

[contrifan32]

...for they will be called children of God

 

[LeahWill]

Did he write "Blessed are the cheesemakers..."?

 

[LeahWill]

The Jews have the right to live in peace in their indigenous homeland. The same is true for all indigenous peoples. They have the right to defend themselves from genocide even if that defense may sometimes involve the death of innocent children.

"The same is true for all indigenous peoples. They have the right to defend themselves from genocide even if that defense may sometimes involve the death of innocent children."

Ooh look, a turkey just voted for Christmas.
For your sake I hope no-one tells what is left of the Apaches your ideas on this one or you'll be an invading terrorist in no time.
Get any children out first.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Yes. The Israelis decided not to man the gates of the "world's largest outdoor concentration camp" and a fed up Gazan population took advantage of Netanyahu's colossal error in judgment (moving border troops to the West Bank to begin the ethnic cleansing there).

Like I've continually said "Actions have consequences".

Treat people like animals for eleven years (and calling them "animals" like you, Noor and Laz often do).....I would say "You reap what you sow" but that has no meaning to an atheist such as yourself (as well as "God's chosen people", the 95% ethnic Polish squatters who have chosen to no longer believe in the Old Testament in their new theocratic kingdom.

Israelis will never own up to the fact that it was their own hatred towards Gaza, and incompetence by the administration they elected, who own 100% of the blame for the last 13 years.

“The world’s largest outdoor concentration camp.”

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

"The same is true for all indigenous peoples. They have the right to defend themselves from genocide even if that defense may sometimes involve the death of innocent children."

Ooh look, a turkey just voted for Christmas.
For your sake I hope no-one tells what is left of the Apaches your ideas on this one or you'll be an invading terrorist in no time.
Get any children out first.

The Apache were right to fight back against the European invaders in the 19th century. Today they’ve made peace with the United States and live as an autonomous tribal nation within the U.S.

The Arab world has never confronted its colonial history the way Europe has. Islam spread across half the globe, erasing indigenous cultures and forcing indigenous peoples into servitude. Rather than giving up their genocidal policies the way Europe did, they continue today with their treatment of Israel.

 

[LeahWill]

The Apache were right to fight back against the European invaders in the 19th century. Today they’ve made peace with the United States and live as an autonomous tribal nation within the U.S.

The Arab world has never confronted its colonial history the way Europe has. Islam spread across half the globe, erasing indigenous cultures and forcing indigenous peoples into servitude. Rather than giving up their genocidal policies the way Europe did, they continue today with their treatment of Israel.

"Today they’ve made peace with the United States and live as an autonomous tribal nation within the U.S."

Okay. For the moment you are a 'terrorist in waiting'

And if tomorrow a lone indigenous American walks in to a school and kills a few children to 'stir things up a bit and get the ball rolling', you are of course fine with that. His right to do so. His land after all.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

"Today they’ve made peace with the United States and live as an autonomous tribal nation within the U.S."

Okay. For the moment you are a 'terrorist in waiting'

And if tomorrow a lone indigenous American walks in to a school and kills a few children to 'stir things up a bit and get the ball rolling', you are of course fine with that. His right to do so. His land after all.

No Native American tribe has a violent separatist movement. You’re making up things to scare yourself with.

 

[LeahWill]

No Native American tribe has a violent separatist movement. You’re making up things to scare yourself with.

No I am making things up to see you duck and dive due to the stupidity of your own statements...

And I think I made it pretty clear it was a "LONE" gunmen, with a cause. Got to start somewhere.
Well ahead of you with that one
Was that a 'duck' or a 'dive' erroneously adding in "a violent separatist movement" to your response I wonder?
I think a 'dive'.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

No I am making things up to see you duck and dive due to the stupidity of your own statements...

And I think I made it pretty clear it was a "LONE" gunmen, with a cause. Got to start somewhere.
Well ahead of you with that one
Was that a 'duck' or a 'dive' erroneously adding in "a violent separatist movement" to your response I wonder?
I think a 'dive'.

I’m happy to see the hostages coming home. You should be too.

I have no idea what point you’re trying to make with your murderous Apache hypothetical.

 

[LeahWill]

I’m happy to see the hostages coming home. You should be too.

I have no idea what point you’re trying to make with your murderous Apache hypothetical.

No of course you don't....

(That is 100% a 'duck')

I will make it really simple for you.

You have unashamedly accepted that indigenous peoples, whoever they may be, have the right to kill innocent children when fighting to reclaim their homelands.

So if a LONE indigenous American was to attack a school full of children in an attempt to stir up a reaction from what they view as an oppressive regime to highlight their ultimate aim of taking back their homeland and to attract others to that cause, you would of course defend that act as the legitimate approach of freedom fighters.

Or (even simpler) taking it to it's basics. Imagine October 7th carried out on a smaller scale by an indigenous...anyone... By your own statements you would defend their right to do that.

Or do you want to change your mind?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

No of course you don't....

(That is 100% a 'duck')

I will make it really simple for you.

You have unashamedly accepted that indigenous peoples, whoever they may be, have the right to kill innocent children when fighting to reclaim their homelands.

So if a LONE indigenous American was to attack a school full of children in an attempt to stir up a reaction from what they view as an oppressive regime to highlight their ultimate aim of taking back their homeland and to attract others to that cause, you would of course defend that act as the legitimate approach of freedom fighters.

Or (even simpler) taking it to it's basics. Imagine October 7th carried out on a smaller scale by an indigenous...anyone... By your own statements you would defend their right to do that.

Or do you want to change your mind?

Israelis aren’t “fighting to reclaim” our ancestral homeland. We already did that in 1948.

The fight now is against radical Islamists who want to eradicate the Jews from the Middle East and reestablish a Muslim-only Caliphate. The IDF tries to avoid killing children, and the casualty numbers from Gaza reflect that, but if the choice is between risking killing a child and genocide that would kill thousands, the moral calculus is clear.

 

[domroger]

“The world’s largest outdoor concentration camp.”

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Current picture please,this one is so out of date.

 

[LeahWill]

Israelis aren’t “fighting to reclaim” our ancestral homeland. We already did that in 1948.

The fight now is against the radical Islamists who want to eradicate the Jews from the Middle East and reestablish a Muslim-only Caliphate. The IDF tries to avoid killing children, and the casualty numbers from Gaza reflect that, but if the choice is between risking killing a child and genocide that would kill thousands, the moral calculus is clear.

So you are saying other indigenous people have run out of time to reclaim their home? Should have been done by 1948 if they want to claim their 'kill children for free' card?

Why the time limit? Surely you waited centuries longer before you started the bombing campaign to claim it back? (Or were they children friendly bombs?)

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

So you are saying other indigenous people have run out of time to reclaim their home? Should have been done by 1948 if they want to claim their 'kill children for free' card?

Why the time limit? Surely you waited centuries longer before you started the bombing campaign to claim it back? (Or were they children friendly bombs?)

The Gazans accepted being part of Egypt in 1948, just like the Arabs in Judea and Samaria accepted being part of Jordan. The initial partition of Mandatory Palestine into Jewish and Arab spheres was the “two state solution”.

Modern Palestinian identity only dates to 1968, when Egypt and Jordan lost their war with Israel.

The Jews waited so long to take back Israel because it was only with the collapse of the British Empire that the colonial power was weak enough. It’s the same reason India waited so long to declare independence.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Current picture please,this one is so out of date.

Currently Gaza City is a bombed-out wasteland. I was just showing that the claim that October 7th was justified because Gaza was a prison camp is a lie.

 

[LeahWill]

The Gazans accepted being part of Egypt in 1948, just like the Arabs in Judea and Samaria accepted being part of Jordan. The initial partition of Mandatory Palestine into Jewish and Arab spheres was the “two state solution”.

Modern Palestinian identity only dates to 1968, when Egypt and Jordan lost their war with Israel.

The Jews waited so long to take back Israel because it was only with the collapse of the British Empire that the colonial power was weak enough. It’s the same reason India waited so long to declare independence.

(As previously when you were in a hole and resorted to obfuscation...)

Fascinating.
Let me know if and when you feel confident enough to get back on point.

And before you try and raise again the "I may be a bitch, but I am not your bitch" shield to hide behind -
Only half of that is in debate.

 

[icanhelp1]

The Gazans accepted being part of Egypt in 1948, just like the Arabs in Judea and Samaria accepted being part of Jordan. The initial partition of Mandatory Palestine into Jewish and Arab spheres was the “two state solution”.

Modern Palestinian identity only dates to 1968, when Egypt and Jordan lost their war with Israel.

The Jews waited so long to take back Israel because it was only with the collapse of the British Empire that the colonial power was weak enough. It’s the same reason India waited so long to declare independence.

How many peace initiatives were made with Arafat but to no avail,

 

[Pad_Foot]

I doubt they will

So? They did. Now what?

 

[Pad_Foot]

You realize JD Vance will be the next POTUS

You realize Vance will be replaced by a Trump
He can’t carry the MAGAt flag

 

[Rightguide]

"Accidently"....."ghastly"......."ultimate responsiblity"

Typical rationalizations to deflect blame.



Yes. The Israelis decided not to man the gates of the "world's largest outdoor concentration camp" and a fed up Gazan population took advantage of Netanyahu's colossal error in judgment (moving border troops to the West Bank to begin the ethnic cleansing there).

Like I've continually said "Actions have consequences".

Treat people like animals for eleven years (and calling them "animals" like you, Noor and Laz often do).....I would say "You reap what you sow" but that has no meaning to an atheist such as yourself (as well as "God's chosen people", the 95% ethnic Polish squatters who have chosen to no longer believe in the Old Testament in their new theocratic kingdom.

Israelis will never own up to the fact that it was their own hatred towards Gaza, and incompetence by the administration they elected, who own 100% of the blame for the last 13 years.

Spare us the pseudo-moral sociology lecture. You’re not describing “consequences,” you’re just excusing savagery because it flatters your politics. If Gaza were the “world’s largest outdoor concentration camp,” it’s the only one in history with rocket factories, luxury hotels, and a ruling party that spends foreign aid on tunnels instead of children. Netanyahu didn’t “move border troops,” Hamas moved the goalposts of human decency straight into hell. Actions do have consequences, and for Hamas, they came fast, loud, and final.

 

[icanhelp1]

Spare us the pseudo-moral sociology lecture. You’re not describing “consequences,” you’re just excusing savagery because it flatters your politics. If Gaza were the “world’s largest outdoor concentration camp,” it’s the only one in history with rocket factories, luxury hotels, and a ruling party that spends foreign aid on tunnels instead of children. Netanyahu didn’t “move border troops,” Hamas moved the goalposts of human decency straight into hell. Actions do have consequences, and for Hamas, they came fast, loud, and final.

Killing Grandmas, Grandpas, men, women and children in the most heinous of ways warrant's opening the gates of hell not turning the other cheek. Hamas brought hell unto itself. In my opinion Israel should have been allowed to finish the job.

I certainly would demand my government not to leave one terrorist alive.

 

[Rightguide]

Killing Grandmas, Grandpas, men, women and children in the most heinous of ways warrant's opening the gates of hell not turning the other cheek. Hamas brought hell unto itself. In my opinion Israel should have been allowed to finish the job.

I certainly would demand my government not to leave one terrorist alive.

Damn right.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Currently Gaza City is a bombed-out wasteland. I was just showing that the claim that October 7th was justified because Gaza was a prison camp is a lie.

Were Gazans permitted to enter and leave Gaza at will? They were not.
Were Gazans permitted to export anything outside of Gaza? They were not.
Were Gazans permitted to import food, medical supplies and/or construction material into Gaza? They were not.
Are you an Islamophobic bigot to the point where you criticize Gaza for the same behaviors that you laud Israel for? Yes you are.
Did Israel conduct a ethnic cleansing pogrom inside of Gaza for over two years? Yes they most certainly did.

Gaza has been little more than "the world's largest outdoor concentration camp" for over a decade, and you clutch your pearls when someone has the temerity to point out this unpleasant fact.

 

[contrifan32]

Were Gazans permitted to enter and leave Gaza at will? They were not.
Were Gazans permitted to export anything outside of Gaza? They were not.
Were Gazans permitted to import food, medical supplies and/or construction material into Gaza? They were not.
Are you an Islamophobic bigot to the point where you criticize Gaza for the same behaviors that you laud Israel for? Yes you are.
Did Israel conduct a ethnic cleansing pogrom inside of Gaza for over two years? Yes they most certainly did.

Gaza has been little more than "the world's largest outdoor concentration camp" for over a decade, and you clutch your pearls when someone has the temerity to point out this unpleasant fact.

Hamas was very good at exporting rockets outside of Gaza targeting civilians with little to no push back by everyday "Gazans." Hamas was very successful importing those rockets and plenty of other arms from Iran and others while "Gazans" turned a blind eye.

Once again you are on the wrong side or what is right Robbie. Only 1193 days left

 

[RobDownSouth]

Hamas was very good at exporting rockets outside of Gaza targeting civilians with little to no push back by everyday "Gazans." Hamas was very successful importing those rockets and plenty of other arms from Iran and others while "Gazans" turned a blind eye.

Once again you are on the wrong side or what is right Robbie. Only 1193 days left

Donald Stroke has at most eight months left to live, given his history of TIAs. So.....240-ish days maximum.