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Biden offers his solution to high gas prices, and the online backlash is fierce
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The move to electric cars is inevitable, the technology is changing rapidly, I was just watching this guy I follow on you tube who is pretty good at getting down to what is really going on with tech, and with electric cars the battery technology is changing rapidly. The median range on an electric car is like 250 miles, and there are new battery technologies in prototype phase that not only have a lot more density, but with a rapid charger can charge a car to 80% charge in like 5-10 minutes (a Chinese company claims they have a battery that can go from dead drained to full charge in 4 minutes, I'll believe that when I see it).
And yes, the price tag is coming down too.
That said it won't short term end the current gas crunch, but the reality is that most car makers are now planning for when they won't be making gas engine cars and that day won't be all that far off.
As far as dropping 60k on a new car, has anyone looked at the price of typical cars these days, the SUVs and CRVs everyone is buying? A bloody pickup truck is running 60k, a suburban, that friend of suburban soccer moms, is well over 90k. Ordinary cars like the Honda accord, camry, etc are in mid 30's, honda pilot is pushing well over 40k.
Before Ukraine happened, and gas prices on average went above 4 bucks, gasoline before and after the pandemic was running at roughly 3.30 a gallon (and if one more numbnuts tells me how cheap gasoline was under trump in 2020 I'll puke, oil was trading negative during that time) which if you use inflation adjusted dollars was pretty much what it has been since the 1970's. It swings, but it is like 3.10 to 3.30.
One of the other problems is that gasoline consumption has soared in recent years because almost every car sold is an SUV, CRV or a pickup truck, and the typical gas mileage has been going down. One of the reasons the gas price shocks in the 70's were so bad was gas mileage was pathetic, it was around 9mpg on average. These days you hear people talking about how much it costs to fill up, and they are talking an SUV that gets like 15mpg or a pickup truck.
Personally the real reason to get off oil and gas should have been obvious long ago. Oil and gas supports dictators and people like the Saudis who spread islamic fanaticism around the world and was Putin's one ace in the hole (without oil ad gas, Russia's economy would be even a bigger joke). After 9/11 when global terrorism was and is supported by oil, it should have been obvious, even leaving out climate change which should be another reason.
I agree with one thing, though, I personally am concerned with these well meaning but stupid attempts to force change. Things like I think Oregon banning any gas engine new vehicles from being registered after 2030, or places banning new construction that uses gas for heating or cooking. It sounds great, but passing laws like this and then telling people to hump it is asinie, to the Nth degree. The alternate to natural gas is electric heat, which unless you live in Mitch McConnel terrritory where Uncle Sam produces it at cost, electric heat is expensive (the granola heads say "Heat pumps", without even knowing what they are or how much power they really take), it would be several times more expensive. With cars, electric cars are great and you won't find a bigger proponent than me, but they are still very expensive and we haven't worked out yet the power grid requires to handle them and the rapid chargers they require, or for that matter everyone using electric heating and stoves and such. Granola heads (the left wing equivalent of MAGAts) live in this dream world where people should live in yurts eating granola and live in winter like an Eskimo or something (the MAGAts on the other hand pretend that oil products are this divine thing that no one better mess with).
In terms of short term oil prices, the people can rage but right now this is mostly a combination of Ukraine and the fact that Covid made a disaster of the supply chain, that included petroleum products. There is no mysterious tap you turn on, when shit like Ukraine happens oil and gas prices go nuts; heck the threat of what Harvey could do in the gulf region shot the price of gas up 50c a gallon a week before the storm hit. Donny Dimwit couldn't control it any more than anyone can, oil and gas production operates on market forces. In 2020 they couldm't give gas away, and they slashed production. In 2021 we still were recovering from Covid most of the year, and production had problems with things like staffing and yes , lack of material thanks to our glorious global supply chain, so they could't ramp up..and then Putin decided he was going to show the world Russia wasn't a backward shithole (lot of good that did...). Oil producers aren't all that eager to ramp up production, because they are selling off the gasoline and oil they had stored at prices well above what they paid for it, once those stores run out then they will produce more.
And yes, the price tag is coming down too.
That said it won't short term end the current gas crunch, but the reality is that most car makers are now planning for when they won't be making gas engine cars and that day won't be all that far off.
As far as dropping 60k on a new car, has anyone looked at the price of typical cars these days, the SUVs and CRVs everyone is buying? A bloody pickup truck is running 60k, a suburban, that friend of suburban soccer moms, is well over 90k. Ordinary cars like the Honda accord, camry, etc are in mid 30's, honda pilot is pushing well over 40k.
Before Ukraine happened, and gas prices on average went above 4 bucks, gasoline before and after the pandemic was running at roughly 3.30 a gallon (and if one more numbnuts tells me how cheap gasoline was under trump in 2020 I'll puke, oil was trading negative during that time) which if you use inflation adjusted dollars was pretty much what it has been since the 1970's. It swings, but it is like 3.10 to 3.30.
One of the other problems is that gasoline consumption has soared in recent years because almost every car sold is an SUV, CRV or a pickup truck, and the typical gas mileage has been going down. One of the reasons the gas price shocks in the 70's were so bad was gas mileage was pathetic, it was around 9mpg on average. These days you hear people talking about how much it costs to fill up, and they are talking an SUV that gets like 15mpg or a pickup truck.
Personally the real reason to get off oil and gas should have been obvious long ago. Oil and gas supports dictators and people like the Saudis who spread islamic fanaticism around the world and was Putin's one ace in the hole (without oil ad gas, Russia's economy would be even a bigger joke). After 9/11 when global terrorism was and is supported by oil, it should have been obvious, even leaving out climate change which should be another reason.
I agree with one thing, though, I personally am concerned with these well meaning but stupid attempts to force change. Things like I think Oregon banning any gas engine new vehicles from being registered after 2030, or places banning new construction that uses gas for heating or cooking. It sounds great, but passing laws like this and then telling people to hump it is asinie, to the Nth degree. The alternate to natural gas is electric heat, which unless you live in Mitch McConnel terrritory where Uncle Sam produces it at cost, electric heat is expensive (the granola heads say "Heat pumps", without even knowing what they are or how much power they really take), it would be several times more expensive. With cars, electric cars are great and you won't find a bigger proponent than me, but they are still very expensive and we haven't worked out yet the power grid requires to handle them and the rapid chargers they require, or for that matter everyone using electric heating and stoves and such. Granola heads (the left wing equivalent of MAGAts) live in this dream world where people should live in yurts eating granola and live in winter like an Eskimo or something (the MAGAts on the other hand pretend that oil products are this divine thing that no one better mess with).
In terms of short term oil prices, the people can rage but right now this is mostly a combination of Ukraine and the fact that Covid made a disaster of the supply chain, that included petroleum products. There is no mysterious tap you turn on, when shit like Ukraine happens oil and gas prices go nuts; heck the threat of what Harvey could do in the gulf region shot the price of gas up 50c a gallon a week before the storm hit. Donny Dimwit couldn't control it any more than anyone can, oil and gas production operates on market forces. In 2020 they couldm't give gas away, and they slashed production. In 2021 we still were recovering from Covid most of the year, and production had problems with things like staffing and yes , lack of material thanks to our glorious global supply chain, so they could't ramp up..and then Putin decided he was going to show the world Russia wasn't a backward shithole (lot of good that did...). Oil producers aren't all that eager to ramp up production, because they are selling off the gasoline and oil they had stored at prices well above what they paid for it, once those stores run out then they will produce more.
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It will happen when the market and the majority of Americans, not the government, decide it's the most efficient method of travel, not before. And because the market and the American people are smarter than the government, it's going to be a while. You have a better chance of seeing Bigfoot riding a unicorn that seeing the US eliminate fossil fuels from the automotive industry in the next 20-30 years. I do realize njlauren and Pecksniff will be busy with their binoculars hoping for an early glimpse but it's going to be a while before the government can replace 200 million or more gas-powered vehicles, shut down the Aviation and Maritime shipping industry by fiat, and then compensate the population for the illegal taking of their property.
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All this new, modern, fancy pants technology is just another attempt by the Marxists to feminize our men. Not like the old days when driving was an activity reserved for manly men. The sissification of our auto industry is an abomination. .
The scenario you describe would not illegally -- or even legally -- take anybody's property.
I recall an episode of The Jetsons -- Jane decides the family needs a second car (meaning, of course, a flying car, operating on some kind of antigravity, like George's). She goes for driving lessons, and the instructor says, "Oh no!" and presses a button changing the "STUDENT DRIVER" sign on his car to "WOMAN STUDENT DRIVER." Jane -- who is a perfectly level-headed character in other episodes of the series -- turns into a featherbrain the moment she gets behind the wheel -- almost wrecking several times because she is distracted by ads for clothing sales.All this new, modern, fancy pants technology is just another attempt by the Marxists to feminize our men. Not like the old days when driving was an activity reserved for manly men. The sissification of our auto industry is an abomination. .
It was the 1960s. You could get away with woman-driver jokes.
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In The Gold Coast, Kim Stanley Robinson depicts a future when all cars run on electric power -- but mostly not from on-board batteries. Instead, there is an electric track running down the center of every lane of every street and road, and that powers cars the way overhead catenary lines power streetcars.
Don't know if that would work. Certainly it would cost a lot to build -- but, then, so did our whole national infrastructure of paved roads and streets.
Don't know if that would work. Certainly it would cost a lot to build -- but, then, so did our whole national infrastructure of paved roads and streets.
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I have a hippie nephew that just bought an EV. I thanked him for supporting the local coal miners.
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Whether or not the American people are smarter than the government is at best something that is open to dispute and at worst not really held up by a whole lot.
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