Bernie!

[lovecraft68]

Bernie being against big money will be what gets him the vote of the middle class, which is the same vote trump would get against Hilary. People act like its the Republicans that take care of the wealthy...ahem....Hilary is their girl because she's one of them.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Of course Republicans take care of "rich" people and more than they have any reason to think that Hillary would. Not that she's not kinda sorta part of the club but thinking that Trump would be better for the middle class takes some mental gymnastics.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Of course Republicans take care of "rich" people and more than they have any reason to think that Hillary would. Not that she's not kinda sorta part of the club

What you mean other than she's been a part of the mega bux dick sucking club in DC for well over a decade?

LOL kinda sorta...who are you lying to the board or yourself man?? Come on...Hillary is a 1% for 1%'s just like Obama. She talks a great "I'm for the poor folks" game and then she's going to let big money FUCK AMERICA IN THE ASS DRY....for every penny they can.

It will be big (D) money so of course (D) will cheer....

But let's not bull-fuckin-shit about HRC....she don't give 2 pumps of rat jizz more about poor folks than Trump, she's just a better liar about it.

but thinking that Trump would be better for the middle class takes some mental gymnastics.

How do you figure?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Bernie being against big money will be what gets him the vote of the middle class, which is the same vote trump would get against Hilary. People act like its the Republicans that take care of the wealthy...ahem....Hilary is their girl because she's one of them.

Actually, all pols take care of the wealthy - and it's a quid pro quo relationship.

 

[Sean Renaud]

What you mean other than she's been a part of the mega bux dick sucking club in DC for well over a decade?

LOL kinda sorta...who are you lying to the board or yourself man?? Come on...Hillary is a 1% for 1%'s just like Obama. She talks a great "I'm for the poor folks" game and then she's going to let big money FUCK AMERICA IN THE ASS DRY....for every penny they can.

It will be big (D) money so of course (D) will cheer....

But let's not bull-fuckin-shit about HRC....she don't give 2 pumps of rat jizz more about poor folks than Trump, she's just a better liar about it.



How do you figure?

In observing the behavior of the wealthy there is a definite divide between your Trumps and Turners vs you Jobs and Gates. Now Jobs and Gates were both born upper class but not filthy rich. Earning your way in seems to breed a different mentality than being born.

I do believe HRC gives a shit however. That being said if we look at Trump prior to becoming presidential nominee Trump a strong case could be made that he cares more.

I figure, based on his statements that it essentially requires you to believe that if Trump lowers wages (he did say Americans are paid too much) that it will create enough jobs to offset the decrease in pay. You have to assume he'd lower taxes on the rich because of his party and his status and Hillary would. . .most likely leave them be but might entertain a capital gains tax especially if enough people pressure her.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Hillary and Trump are the same vote.

If you want to really vote it is Bernie.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Trump isn't similar to anybody running in recent American history, if you're too cynical to see the difference between him and EVERYBODY something truly catastrophic happened to you and I'm sorry.

Besides the choice isn't really between the three of them. For all the good it'll do I'll vote Bernie cus it won't hurt anything.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Trump is an act. He is GOP establishment. He is Jeb with a better floor show. All of them with the exception of Bernie and Gary Johnson as business as usual. Any other vote is a vote for status quo.

Don't let the gestures, cape, hat and the pretty girl distract you from the magician's hands.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Trump is an act. He is GOP establishment. He is Jeb with a better floor show. All of them with the exception of Bernie and Gary Johnson as business as usual. Any other vote is a vote for status quo.

Don't let the gestures, cape, hat and the pretty girl distract you from the magician's hands.

I wouldn't call Trump part of the GOP establishment. He's too much of a loose cannon for that.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

I wouldn't call Trump part of the GOP establishment. He's too much of a loose cannon for that.

Of course you wouldn't .

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[Boxlicker101]

That's not only my opinion. http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/26/politics/donald-trump-republican-establishment/index.html

 

[BotanyBoy]

. Earning your way in seems to breed a different mentality than being born.

No doubt...

I do believe HRC gives a shit however. That being said if we look at Trump prior to becoming presidential nominee Trump a strong case could be made that he cares more.

Oh they both give a shit, about their bank accounts......they don't give a fuck about Joe the plumber or what's best for the American people at large.

I figure, based on his statements that it essentially requires you to believe that if Trump lowers wages (he did say Americans are paid too much) that it will create enough jobs to offset the decrease in pay. You have to assume he'd lower taxes on the rich because of his party and his status and Hillary would. . .most likely leave them be but might entertain a capital gains tax especially if enough people pressure her.

She might but I doubt it, if she does it won't be much of a hike.

 

[Boxlicker101]

That's not only my opinion. http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/26/politics/donald-trump-republican-establishment/index.html

https://www.google.com/search?sourc...T4NDKB_enUS560US560&q=trump+gop+establishment

 

[Sean Renaud]

Trump is an act. He is GOP establishment. He is Jeb with a better floor show. All of them with the exception of Bernie and Gary Johnson as business as usual. Any other vote is a vote for status quo.

Don't let the gestures, cape, hat and the pretty girl distract you from the magician's hands.

If Trump is an act he's been at it for so long that he might not be able to be GOP establishment even if he were trying. Lets ignore that he gave plenty of money to Hillary, the man was a supporter of UHC all the way until. . .funny now that I'm thinking about it the GOP in general and Trump in particular have been real quiet on the ACA since the election cycle started up. Which may mean his opinion there hasn't changed just he refuses to talk about it (clever), the Republicans refuse to bring it up (stupid) and the media has let it alone (benefit of the doubt says oversight.)

Not that I think Bernie ISN'T status quo that's ultimately an empty statement to make. The house isn't on fire so Status Quo is acceptable.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

That's not only my opinion. http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/26/politics/donald-trump-republican-establishment/index.html

You only bleat louder. That is pretty funny

 

[BoyNextDoor]

If Trump is an act he's been at it for so long that he might not be able to be GOP establishment even if he were trying. Lets ignore that he gave plenty of money to Hillary, the man was a supporter of UHC all the way until. . .funny now that I'm thinking about it the GOP in general and Trump in particular have been real quiet on the ACA since the election cycle started up. Which may mean his opinion there hasn't changed just he refuses to talk about it (clever), the Republicans refuse to bring it up (stupid) and the media has let it alone (benefit of the doubt says oversight.)

Not that I think Bernie ISN'T status quo that's ultimately an empty statement to make. The house isn't on fire so Status Quo is acceptable.

Tell me the significant public policy differentiation between Trump and Hillary.

 

[Boxlicker101]

If Trump is an act he's been at it for so long that he might not be able to be GOP establishment even if he were trying. Lets ignore that he gave plenty of money to Hillary, the man was a supporter of UHC all the way until. . .funny now that I'm thinking about it the GOP in general and Trump in particular have been real quiet on the ACA since the election cycle started up. Which may mean his opinion there hasn't changed just he refuses to talk about it (clever), the Republicans refuse to bring it up (stupid) and the media has let it alone (benefit of the doubt says oversight.)

Not that I think Bernie ISN'T status quo that's ultimately an empty statement to make. The house isn't on fire so Status Quo is acceptable.

Here's how quiet the GOP has been on Obamacare:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/06/politics/house-obamacare-repeal-planned-parenthood/

 

[BotanyBoy]

Here's how quiet the GOP has been on Obamacare:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/06/politics/house-obamacare-repeal-planned-parenthood/

Oh great the GOP wasted how much time/money crafting yet more anti Obamacare legislation as if Obama will sign it

What a bunch of fucking idiots....worst part? The idiots who put all these idiots in office will do so AGAIN. LOL fucking morons....

Who knows maybe someday they will do something productive...LMFAO!~!!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Tell me the significant public policy differentiation between Trump and Hillary.

Their treatment of Muslims and women for starters.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Oh great the GOP wasted how much time/money crafting yet more anti Obamacare legislation as if Obama will sign it

What a bunch of fucking idiots....worst part? The idiots who put all these idiots in office will do so AGAIN. LOL fucking morons....

Who knows maybe someday they will do something productive...LMFAO!~!!

One hopes so, but they won't be able to do that until Jan. 20, 2017.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Here's how quiet the GOP has been on Obamacare:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/06/politics/house-obamacare-repeal-planned-parenthood/

Oh they've voted on it a bunch over the last few years but which candidate is really talking about it beyond the extremely token "Repeal and replace". I'm not even talking about a lack of details. I'm talking about that sounding like something they honestly give a shit about. They talk about it in the same tone that Democrats talk about the green movement. (Save Obama on rare occasion.) Or until the battle was essentially won how Dems talked about gay rights. Or for that matter how MOST Republicans talk about abortion. They acknowledge that it exists and then go back to whatever they were doing. For the most hated pieces of legislature in recent memory I don't recall it coming up at the debates or if it did they all segweyed pretty quickly into something else.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

And now the President proposes a Constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United. Bernie is not even in the White House yet and he is setting the national agenda.



FEEL THE BERN!

 

[BotanyBoy]

One hopes so, but they won't be able to do that until Jan. 20, 2017.

No they aren't doing shit....they are just taking it back to a SHITTIER system.

They have NO plans to give us anything better or they would have proposed something better SEVEN YEARS AGO.

But they haven't...all they have done is wast time and taxpayer money with their anti Obama dog and pony show. They offer no alternatives, they offer nothing of value nor do they ever offer solutions to social issues beyond "ignore it" or "Bomb it" .

What do they do for America other than try to make our government as ineffective and clusterfucked as possible?

 

[sr71plt]

What a hoot to call Trump GOP establishment. The GOP Establishment is sick as they can be over the presence of Trump. (They even merged with the president on that issue in the GOP response to the State of the Union address.) I can't see how anyone could miss that Trump isn't GOP establishment.

 

[Sean Renaud]

In fairness establishment clearly means two things in this particular case. One is establishment meaning you are part of the club. Trump is not part of the club by any stretch. The other is believes in a majority of the core tenets and if we take pre-primary trump into account he's still not part of the establishment but he's doing a decent job of pretending. Like I said they've been kinda quiet on all the fronts where he's not establishment.