Bernie!

[The_Trouvere]

When will the Republican Hate Machine begin to invent fake scandals about Bernie Sanders and claim that he has grave character flaws? Doesn't the RHM take Bernie seriously yet? This is a guy who agrees with me that the top tax rate should be 90%.

If Bernie wins the New Hampshire primary look out.

We will begin to hear that he is a fellow traveler of the American Communist Party, that he hates America, that he craves little boys, and so on.

 

[Boxlicker101]

When will the Republican Hate Machine begin to invent fake scandals about Bernie Sanders and claim that he has grave character flaws? Doesn't the RHM take Bernie seriously yet? This is a guy who agrees with me that the top tax rate should be 90%.

If Bernie wins the New Hampshire primary look out.

We will begin to hear that he is a fellow traveler of the American Communist Party, that he hates America, that he craves little boys, and so on.

I haven't seen the phrase "fellow traveler" used in decades. Bernie has already said he is one. The loony things he says publicly are probably more injurious to his cause than anything the GOP might make up.

 

[JackLuis]

I haven't seen the phrase "fellow traveler" used in decades. Bernie has already said he is one. The loony things he says publicly are probably more injurious to his cause than anything the GOP might make up.

Loony? What has he said that was 'Loony', I mean compared with the shit that spews from Ted Cruz or even Donald the Dick?

Single payer health care isn't loony. most of Europe has it.

Affordable higher education would build the intellectual capabilities of our nation.

Taxing the shit out of the 1% would solve the debt problem and not effect our economic growth.

Box, your just hoping that by spreading your bias to make the sheeple agree with you. You're a "Ffith Columnist" , another term that hasn't been used lately.

 

[Sean Renaud]

As long as sheeple make up 51% of the nation things that Bernie says remain loony. I don't understand how you people have such a hard time with this.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Affordable higher education would build the intellectual capabilities of our nation.

We will finance a fucking retard with shit credit, a GED and nothing to do thousands and thousands of fucking dollars for a degree that isn't worth fuckin' piss and he/she could never hope to be able to pay back.

It doesn't get any more affordable than that.

What we need is to quit handing the shit out like candy...that is to say raise some fucking standards around here. Challenge people....quit running to the lowest common denominator so that EVERYONE has a BA/BS and no ones widdle feewings get hurt, CUZ THATS FAIR!!

HS diploma used to mean something....Now it's just a participation award for the state funded babysitting services.

Hell a BS/BA used to mean something. Even that's becoming a joke. Need post grad school'in to get the good stuff....soon Liburhulz will declare that unfair and turn masters degrees into uber high dollar participation awards.... financed by the gov. of course because that's fair!

Start FAILING the LOSERS....nvm liburhulz would never do such a horrific thing

When will the Republican Hate Machine begin to invent fake scandals about Bernie Sanders and claim that he has grave character flaws?

Once Hillary is dead and no longer a threat.

As long as sheeple make up 51% of the nation things that Bernie says remain loony. I don't understand how you people have such a hard time with this.

The sheeple haven't come in to say their bit yet....once they do it will become super apparent. This won't happen till after supa Tuesday.

 

[JackLuis]

As long as sheeple make up 51% of the nation things that Bernie says remain loony. I don't understand how you people have such a hard time with this.

It's my undampened enthusiasm that makes me believe that there are more people who are of average intelligence and a half assed understanding of the laws of human motivations than perhaps there are.

Fortunately I have had a long and eventful life and it amuses me to believe that there is an Enlightened Minority that will advance the goals of our founding fathers. To keep those bastards from stealing everything.

I doubt I'll see more than one more Presidential Reign, you poor kids will have to put up with an seemingly endless parade of dumb asses.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I think the majority of people are sufficiently divorced from the direct results of what happens in government at most levels that it's hard to REALLY care a whole lot.

 

[JackLuis]

I think the majority of people are sufficiently divorced from the direct results of what happens in government at most levels that it's hard to REALLY care a whole lot.

Exactly the case since the the JFK administration. After that the political landscape was 'sculpted' by political advisors who's only aim was to get their meal ticket elected, no matter how crazy (Reagan) or Stupid ("W") he was.

Burnie wants to shake the people out of the malaise of not giving a shit and to take up the task of making the next hundred years more that another war, riot, restricting of rights... ect.

The outsider: How Bernie Sanders is winning over Democratic voters

The revolutionary hosting this particular conference call on Wednesday night was not Britain’s Jeremy Corbyn, but Bernie Sanders – his 74-year-old political doppelgänger from Vermont, who is seeking to become the Democratic party’s nominee for the US presidential election in 2016.

In many ways, Senator Sanders looks even more of a long shot than Corbyn. Though his politics are significantly less radical, he is seeking election in a country where what he describes as his “democratic socialism” is barely comprehended, let alone tolerated, by the political establishment.

His populist prescription might not raise that many eyebrows in Europe, with its calls for universal healthcare purchased by the state, publicly funded elections, free higher education, more protectionist trade policies and a redistributive tax system that raises money for job-creating infrastructure projects, but it represents a dramatic departure from the consensus in Washington. Furthermore, Sanders’ decision to eschew large campaign donations and rail against the power of Wall Street places him at a major disadvantage in a political system where successful presidential candidates are now expected to raise upwards of $1bn to stand a chance.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I think the majority of people are sufficiently divorced from the direct results of what happens in government at most levels that it's hard to REALLY care a whole lot.

Not to mention if you live in an area that isn't the most perfect shade of purple you're vote really means fuck all.

I'm voting for Hillary Clinton ....because my zip code/state of residence says so. Why should I even bother?

A serious overhaul of our political process would deff help to get more folks to give a fuck.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I wasn't alive during JFK and while I was alive during Reagan that's not fair for me to judge other than from historical standards. That being said I find it difficult to believe that people back in the day weren't for much of US history just as if not more divorced from what went on (in general) at the federal level and often times at the local level than that.

Lets for the sake of argument look at just this part of your quote.

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its calls for universal healthcare purchased by the state, publicly funded elections, free higher education, more protectionist trade policies and a redistributive tax system that raises money for job-creating infrastructure projects,

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Lets say for the sake of argument that he manages to get all of these things through because the Dems not only put him in office but get a truly filibuster proof majority. I mean like 80% dear Republicans we'll call you in two years until then have fun campaigning against us.

Universal Healthcare: Most Americans DO have health care and the majority of us aren't sick at any given moment.

Publicly funded elections: I don't actually think that's a great idea and I have even less idea of how you could effectively enforce it anyway in a world with twitter and youtube. That said I've given a grand total of $400 dollars and some sweat to elections. They could outsource elections to China and the whatever anger I felt would be entirely artificial

Free Higher education: Again I'm not actually a HUGE fan of this solution, it's merely one that I would accept as things are today. That said it's not really clear how many people would/could do anything constructive in college even if it was free. This one MIGHT effect enough people on a day to day basis that I wouldn't outright dismiss it. I'd only point out that there is a sizable portion of the nation that would love to do away with K-12 being free.

Higher taxes and more infrastructure: As Romney pointed out 47% of us don't pay taxes (granted not really true but beside the point) and of the 53% most of them don't pay enough to really bitch about especially since they make so much bank. (Unless specified when I say taxes I mean Income. I am aware of all the others I'm simply using the term as it commonly is.) And I'm told infrastructure is crumbling, and the truth is I don't doubt it. But you know what? No bridges near me have collapsed, hell I haven't heard of one collapsing in a few years. The street lights work, the water manes don't break so on and so forth. The only way this would make me really care would be if I could look at the unemployment rate and see a significant change.

Even when you talk local level most of that stuff runs in the back ground to a degree that I'm not really aware of it because it does nothing to me personally.

 

[JackLuis]

WATCH: Cornel West gives rousing introduction for Bernie Sanders at historically black college

While Sanders has had his difficulties with Black Lives Matter activists, he has the full-throated support of West who calls him “Brother Bernie.”

“What I love about Brother Bernie is he’s a brother of integrity and honesty and decency,” said West, stating “He’s not just on the move. He’s going to win!”

Referring to polls showing Sanders surging, particularly among younger voters, West said, “Oh, if the election could be held right now, and only those who voted had to be 25 and younger, he’d be president at the moment.”

Looks like Bernie has overcome the BLM fiasco.

 

[JackLuis]

Why aren’t more black voters feeling the Bern?

This is way too long to cover here but makes some good points and Bernie should listen.

According to the latest findings from Public Policy Polling, 65 percent of black voters support Clinton while only 14 percent back Sanders. For a man who is heralded as a civil rights veteran by his legion of supporters, that number is not impressive.

“It’s that some African Americans haven’t heard it,” Sanders said. “On June 16, the polls said 1 percent of African-American voters are familiar with the senator. On September 1, it was 14 percent. We know we still have a lot of work to do in terms of name recognition in African-American and Latino communities and young people as well. Our platform speaks to everyday, hard-working American people whether they are black, white, Latino or otherwise. We are talking about economic equality, but we’re also talking about issues of racial justice. We’re talking about voting rights, pay equity, and climate change, which by the way, disproportionately affects people of color, particularly African-American communities. So I think it is a name recognition thing, but we have to go out there and do the work.”

Black Lives Matter Movement Redefines How Politicians Earn Black Vote

The protest movement is the factor that may well determine which Democratic candidate wins the black vote. Economic equality is certainly a priority for black Americans, but the number-one issue on most black voters’ minds is police brutality — a subject that neither Sanders nor any other candidate has discussed extensively until protesters have forced their hand.

Clinton, O’Malley and Sanders all have to deal with black protesters as political power brokers, something that has caught them off guard. No national politician has had to deal with such a dynamic since the civil rights movement of the 1960s. Clinton’s face-to-face with Black Lives Matter organizers in New Hampshire exposed her lack of reflection over the damaging mass incarceration laws her husband passed as president and she supported as First Lady. Clearly, Clinton has been put on notice, even if she were to eventually win the nomination. Another tricky dynamic in navigating the politics of this movement is that it’s decentralized, challenging candidates to speak with individual protesters and far-flung constituencies whose main organ of communication is social media.

Good article real journalisimish.

 

[Boxlicker101]

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Lets for the sake of argument look at just this part of your quote.

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its calls for universal healthcare purchased by the state, publicly funded elections, free higher education, more protectionist trade policies and a redistributive tax system that raises money for job-creating infrastructure projects,
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Lets say for the sake of argument that he manages to get all of these things through because the Dems not only put him in office but get a truly filibuster proof majority. I mean like 80% dear Republicans we'll call you in two years until then have fun campaigning against us.

Universal Healthcare: Most Americans DO have health care and the majority of us aren't sick at any given moment.

Publicly funded elections: I don't actually think that's a great idea and I have even less idea of how you could effectively enforce it anyway in a world with twitter and youtube. That said I've given a grand total of $400 dollars and some sweat to elections. They could outsource elections to China and the whatever anger I felt would be entirely artificial

Free Higher education: Again I'm not actually a HUGE fan of this solution, it's merely one that I would accept as things are today. That said it's not really clear how many people would/could do anything constructive in college even if it was free. This one MIGHT effect enough people on a day to day basis that I wouldn't outright dismiss it. I'd only point out that there is a sizable portion of the nation that would love to do away with K-12 being free.

Higher taxes and more infrastructure: As Romney pointed out 47% of us don't pay taxes (granted not really true but beside the point) and of the 53% most of them don't pay enough to really bitch about especially since they make so much bank. (Unless specified when I say taxes I mean Income. I am aware of all the others I'm simply using the term as it commonly is.) And I'm told infrastructure is crumbling, and the truth is I don't doubt it. But you know what? No bridges near me have collapsed, hell I haven't heard of one collapsing in a few years. The street lights work, the water manes don't break so on and so forth. The only way this would make me really care would be if I could look at the unemployment rate and see a significant change.

Even when you talk local level most of that stuff runs in the back ground to a degree that I'm not really aware of it because it does nothing to me personally.

Gov. funding of elections is a sucky idea. Did you ever hear of a woman named Ellen Goodman? She was a rabid anti-abortionist and, in 1980, she ran for pres. She had no chance of winning but the gov. ladled out millions of dollars which she used to pass on her anti-abortion message.

Did you ever hear of the man who calls himself Sister Boom-Boom? He is a gay man who wears a nuns' habit and is and a member of a group called Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. He is always running for mayor or the city council of S. F. on the taxpayers' dime, even though he has no chance of winning.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Gov. funding of elections is a sucky idea. Did you ever hear of a woman named Ellen Goodman? She was a raid anti-abortionist and, in 1980, she ran for pres. She had no chance of winning but the gov. ladled out millions of dollars which she used to pass on her anti-abortion message.

Did you ever hear of the man who calls himself Sister Boom-Boom? He is a gay man who wears a nuns' habit and is and a member of a group called Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. He is always running for mayor or the city council of S. F. on the taxpayers' dime, even though he has no chance of winning.

I already stated I'm not really big on publically funded elections but I can easily see the merit. I don't give a shit what happened with Ellen Goodman however. I could easily justify a system where the Republicans get X dollars and the Democrats get X dollars and that's all you can spend. You're a party figure it the fuck out. Or dozens of other solutions.

I've never heard of Sister Boom-Boom but that is one of the more obvious potential pitfalls of publicly funded elections. On the flip side we can't really bitch about not having anybody from the middle class in government with things as they stand. I don't know about you Boxy but (and for the moment I'm talking US presidency) I don't have the time or money to take 18 months off from work essentially interviewing for a job I may not get. That shit's just not happening. And I'm aware that the campaign time and money requirements vary from state to state and office to office and a whole slew of other factors but if your accept the premise that the rich shouldn't get to rule everything by virtue of being rich then you have to find some alternative plan than what we have.

I honestly don't knwo for sure which is worse, the fact that we know/think all the Republicans sans Trump are completely bought and paid for instead of their views being their honest views. (Listening to people on this and several other sites as well as personal friends and family I'm not really buying the idea that all REpublicans know that higher taxes is the right thing to do and Trump is only saying it because nobody is funding him but himself) But you get to choose between a guy who is bought and paid for by several donors who at least in theory have SOME varying ideas or someone who's only loyaltyis himself and I'm supposed to cheer?

 

[JackLuis]

This should light Boxy's fire.

Bernie Sanders’ agenda totals $18 trillion in new spending: report

Bernie Sanders’ vision for America would increase government spending by trillions of dollars if he were elected president and implemented all of his proposals. The independent U.S. senator from Vermont running for the Democratic presidential nomination has called for far-reaching government programs that total $18 trillion dollars in new spending over a decade, according to the Wall Street Journal, which released a fiscal analysis of the candidate’s proposals Tuesday.

We might not be able to afford all those F-35s and A/C Carriers?

 

[Sean Renaud]

That sounds a lot like aiming for the moon because you know you're gonna get negotiated down.

 

[JackLuis]

That sounds a lot like aiming for the moon because you know you're gonna get negotiated down.

Yeah, kind of like a campaign promise, eh?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Only to intelligent people. To the rest of the world it's a broken promise looking for a place to happen or rather several.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Only to intelligent people. To the rest of the world it's a broken promise looking for a place to happen or rather several.

It sounds more like a threat than a promise. That amounts to an increase of about 40% over the current budget, which is high already. Poor House, here we come.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It sounds more like a threat than a promise. That amounts to an increase of about 40% over the current budget, which is high already. Poor House, here we come.

Again, only to stupid people. We can easily increase taxes for the first part but nobody thinks he's going to get all of his proposals through. The only way he'd get even a third of that increase in place would be if the democrats magically got 70% of both houses of Congress and. . .I don't think THAT'S ever happened (though it probably got close in the Senate a few times.)

He could always be like Obama, attempt to meet you halfway and then meet you in the "new middle" which was your offering point original. Then have you pretend that you were raped but we saw how well that worked out. No point in trying something that stupid again. (And it was stupid however generous when Obama tried it.)

 

[Sunshine]

BERNIE will be in Seabrook NH this weekend and I'm going to see him!

Are you coming too BND?

 

[Boxlicker101]

BERNIE will be in Seabrook NH this weekend and I'm going to see him!

Are you coming too BND?

Speaking, or writing, for myself, why would I want to go see a loser. If I wanted to do that, I would spend the weekend watching football, with a loser in every game.

 

[JackLuis]

Trump’s ‘weird’ anti-vaxxer rant may put thousands of kids at risk

Maddow also showed footage of Republican front-runner Donald Trump’s anecdote during the event linking autism to vaccine, which was not shot down by Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) or Ben Carson, both of whom are or were medical professionals.

“It made me feel like last night’s Republican debate was like a public health hazard in addition to everything else it was,” she said.

“I think the evidence is overwhelming that vaccines do not cause autism,” the senator responded. “And it really is a little bit weird for Trump — who, I presume, has no medical background — to be raising this issue. And obviously it is a concern. When somebody like that says it, you’re gonna find thousands of people now who are gonna hesitate to give their kids the shots, and bad things may happen.”

 

[Boxlicker101]

Trump’s ‘weird’ anti-vaxxer rant may put thousands of kids at risk

Maddow also showed footage of Republican front-runner Donald Trump’s anecdote during the event linking autism to vaccine, which was not shot down by Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) or Ben Carson, both of whom are or were medical professionals.

“It made me feel like last night’s Republican debate was like a public health hazard in addition to everything else it was,” she said.

“I think the evidence is overwhelming that vaccines do not cause autism,” the senator responded. “And it really is a little bit weird for Trump — who, I presume, has no medical background — to be raising this issue. And obviously it is a concern. When somebody like that says it, you’re gonna find thousands of people now who are gonna hesitate to give their kids the shots, and bad things may happen.”

I read the link, although it was hard to wade through the BS, and I wonder if Bernie was aware the subject of the debate was supposed to be foreign affairs This is why there was no mention of minimum wage or climate change.

I doubt that Trump has any medical expertise, but I also doubt that Bernie has any. So both men are just expressing opinions that are not their own.

ETA: As for the two medical professionals at the podia, they were aware the comment by Trump was way out of line, so they said nothing.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It seems like most of the people involved had no idea there was any sort of official topic for the debate. However Bernie and Trump expressing opinions that are not their own isn't important here. The majority of doctors agree that vaccines do not cause Autism. Bernie is trusting experts. Trump is pretending to be one. I know Republicans think they get an opinion on science but they do not. If Paul or Carson had made the the statement it would have held some merit. I would still disagree but they have the expertise to say 99% of the community is wrong and this is why. Trump has no such knowledge to pull from.