Bernie!

[phrodeau]

He is advocating a federal minimum wage of $15.00 per hour, which is more than twice the current min. of $7.25. This would result in high unemployment and increased prices. Did you ever hear of "Stagflation?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...9b5fa8-9c8f-11e2-9a79-eb5280c81c63_story.html

 

[Boxlicker101]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...9b5fa8-9c8f-11e2-9a79-eb5280c81c63_story.html

Do you really place any credence in what the opinion of a professor and former Obama economist happens to be?

ETA: Here is an example of what has happened as a result of a minimum wage of $15.00 per hour: http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors...-effects-of-seattles-15-an-hour-minimum-wage/

I expect I could find dozens of other examples if I were to consider it worth the time.

 

[BotanyBoy]

He is advocating a federal minimum wage of $15.00 per hour, which is more than twice the current min. of $7.25. This would result in high unemployment and increased prices. Did you ever hear of "Stagflation?"

Not really it doesn't.

We could fix that with trade reform in a heartbeat. But you would probably freak out over that too. The RW prefers to export jobs to China.....better bottom line for Evilcorp.

Do you really place any credence in what the opinion of a professor and former Obama economist happens to be?

More than Reaganomics douchebags....
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[Sean Renaud]

Why do Republicans hang on Stagflation, a fairly unique event in US history it seems. The minimum wage used to get raised every couple of years without question or fanfare until just before Reagan. It was rediculous.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

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Revisionist history, huh?

Messy, Bernie. Messy.

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[JackLuis]

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Revisionist history, huh?

Messy, Bernie. Messy.

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WHy do you say that? BO was not an advocate for his campaign promises, he folded rather easily on almost all of them. It was only when he adopted the Republican inspired Obama Care, that he accomplished much at all.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Why do Republicans hang on Stagflation, a fairly unique event in US history it seems. The minimum wage used to get raised every couple of years without question or fanfare until just before Reagan. It was rediculous.

Small changes, okay. The economy can handle that. But Bernie wants to suddenly double the federal min wage.

 

[Sean Renaud]

WHy do you say that? BO was not an advocate for his campaign promises, he folded rather easily on almost all of them. It was only when he adopted the Republican inspired Obama Care, that he accomplished much at all.

I have to cosign this with the caveat that he seemed to honestly believe he was here in part to bring us together. Honestly we don't have a democracy and that's on purpose the day after the election the masses don't matter, the donors should matter much, much less. The people who matter are Senators and Reps and everybody else can fuck right off for four years.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

WHy do you say that? BO was not an advocate for his campaign promises, he folded rather easily on almost all of them. It was only when he adopted the Republican inspired Obama Care, that he accomplished much at all.

Obama's on record fairly early on in Season 1 for saying that nothing gets done at all if you don't compromise on something to get the ball moving in the first place. Then you make pretty later. That's not folding, that's making long game. No, it wasn't smooth or seamless, but it worked with what was actually given.

Working against a Republican stonewall that sandbagged EVERYTHING including their own shit that was workable, PLUS a pussyfied Democrat base that was too scared to run on their own policies and made Obama do all the heavy work at the bar until the drinks were laid out THEN they come belly up to booze. As far as his promises are concerned, I'll let Politifact answer and spreadsheet all his did-do's, didn't-do's and stalled-out's.

Nah, Bernie got it dead wrong in the above and it's this messy shit that makes the people he really needs on his side to side-eye him.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Small changes, okay. The economy can handle that. But Bernie wants to suddenly double the federal min wage.

Except last I heard that isn't what he wants to do. That is what Seattle chose to do and the bottom didn't fall out according to even the most cynical of reports. There is still time I suppose but really that's the kind of drastic action that should have done whatever damage it was going to do almost immediately instead of gradually.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

We aren't talking about what YOU think or these little groups of people think....what does the 150 million Kardashian fans who might vote (D) think. Bernie the weird looking/sounding white male socialist? Or the more middle of the road better looking can talk all fucking day long and say NOTHING professional snake in the grass slime ball car used car salesman/lawyer/politician/liar Hillary Clinton who won't rock the boat much if at all.

Living Wage = Communism.....try again....

You do realize he is running in the USA right? Not some evil totalitarian Communist regime like France, Norway or Sweden right?

We'd rather pay insurance companies 3x the price for less HC because freedumber than fuck, than have that evil socialist shit in our country.

Just because the Trump-asshats or the Oligarchy won't like it that does not make it extreme.

Even your own joke points our that it is a fairly centrist position.

FAUX news does not get to move the center all they do is push the right into the ocean.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Obama's on record fairly early on in Season 1 for saying that nothing gets done at all if you don't compromise on something to get the ball moving in the first place. Then you make pretty later. That's not folding, that's making long game. No, it wasn't smooth or seamless, but it worked with what was actually given.

Working against a Republican stonewall that sandbagged EVERYTHING including their own shit that was workable, PLUS a pussyfied Democrat base that was too scared to run on their own policies and made Obama do all the heavy work at the bar until the drinks were laid out THEN they come belly up to booze. As far as his promises are concerned, I'll let Politifact answer and spreadsheet all his did-do's, didn't-do's and stalled-out's.

Nah, Bernie got it dead wrong in the above and it's this messy shit that makes the people he really needs on his side to side-eye him.

When he was being sandbagged Bernie is suggesting that a better strategy would have been an appeal to the people. As opposed to his decision to go it alone and play Beltway Politics, which he was not very good at.

Take the constructive criticism for what it is. I'd be interested in seeing more of the context. What was that an excerpt from?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Just because the Trump-asshats or the Oligarchy won't like it that does not make it extreme.

Even your own joke points our that it is a fairly centrist position.

FAUX news does not get to move the center all they do is push the right into the ocean.

Except it's not a centrist position when nobody on the right agrees with it anything he says and most of the left are fairly wishy washy about it at best. FAUX news does in fact get to make the center. You don't get to decide that they don't matter, especially not when they have (last I checked) the largest viewership of any of the news stations. That's simply how reality functions.

When he was being sandbagged Bernie is suggesting that a better strategy would have been an appeal to the people. As opposed to his decision to go it alone and play Beltway Politics, which he was not very good at.

Take the constructive criticism for what it is. I'd be interested in seeing more of the context. What was that an excerpt from?

The issue (and i agree with Bernie as I stated above) is that the people do not matter in any serious way here.

First lets assume for the sake of argument that a large chunk of the country didn't hate him either because he's black or a democrat. That if he'd came out openly and honestly that 100% of people would have given him a fair shake. Out of that 100% some simply don't agree with him for one reason or another. I think UHC is what we need but lots of people simply don't and no amount of him explaining the virtues of it were goign to change their minds. Not anymore than tombs and tombs of documentation on the benefits of living a vegan lifestyle are going to get me to give up bacon cheeseburgers. Fuck it living eight years longer but having that be (on average) 55 years without bacon? FUCK THAT. Then a lot of people either aren't dialed into politics or aren't single issue voters so even if they did agree with UHC (or insert your pet issue here) that wouldn't be enough to vote so and so out of office on if they agreed with them on other issues.

In short Obama could have wasted his time and perhaps should have. And Bernie (in some cool alternate universe where he gets the chance) may very well waste his four years.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Just because the Trump-asshats or the Oligarchy won't like it that does not make it extreme.

But the fact that the majority of the DNC asshats don't have a HAIR ON THEIR ASS!!! to back ANYTHING he's talking about because their masters on wall st. say "Socialism bad!! Keep waiting, it will trickle down!!" and most Americans still say 'uh hua' .

Even your own joke points our that it is a fairly centrist position.

FAUX news does not get to move the center all they do is push the right into the ocean.

For the rest of the first world yest, but not for America, that's why it's a joke and so is Sanders.

I'm not talking about Faux news, I'm talking about the average DNC voter.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

OK - well guys, we'll just have to disagree on that.

Does not mean I won't bring it up again! Especially when I see more of the mainstream embracing the Bernie.

 

[Boxlicker101]

OK - well guys, we'll just have to disagree on that.

Does not mean I won't bring it up again! Especially when I see more of the mainstream embracing the Bernie.

The mainstream will never embrace Bernie. That doesn't necessarily mean they won't vote for him in preference to Hillary; it means some of them will consider Bernie to be the less bad of the two bad choices.

Unless the GOP shoots themselves in the foot, either of the two would lose in a landslide rivaling the 1972 victory of Nixon over McGovern.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The mainstream will never embrace Bernie. That doesn't necessarily mean they won't vote for him in preference to Hillary; it means some of them will consider Bernie to be the less bad of the two bad choices.

Unless the GOP shoots themselves in the foot, either of the two would lose in a landslide rivaling the 1972 victory of Nixon over McGovern.

That will only happen if Bern goes (S)/(I) and sinks (D)/Hillary after she takes the primaries. Then we'll have another Bush.

But if it (D) gets a clean run with Hillary, might not be the e z mode landslide win you think you're going to get...

 

[Sean Renaud]

OK - well guys, we'll just have to disagree on that.

Does not mean I won't bring it up again! Especially when I see more of the mainstream embracing the Bernie.

No, we don't disagree because this isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact. Bernie is an extremist. It's no more debatable than the sky being blue or water wet.

The mainstream embracing Bernie doesn't make him not extreme they embrace Kardasians and Pauls all the fucking time.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No, we don't disagree because this isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact. Bernie is an extremist. It's no more debatable than the sky being blue or water wet.

The mainstream embracing Bernie doesn't make him not extreme they embrace Kardasians and Pauls all the fucking time.

Let the poor guy enjoy the fantasy while he can.....

 

[Sean Renaud]

Let the poor guy enjoy the fantasy while he can.....

I would if he were talking about opinions. Micheal Jackson is the greatest entertainer of all time is an opinion. One supported by tons of facts but ultimately an opinion.

Barrack Obama was/is president between the years of 2009 and 2017 is a fact.

What is centrist/"normal" and left and right and thus extreme can be measured by polls. If 49% of people think that drinking arsenic is good for your health it's not an extremist view. It's wrong, insanely so but not extremist.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I would if he were talking about opinions. Micheal Jackson is the greatest entertainer of all time is an opinion. One supported by tons of facts but ultimately an opinion.

Barrack Obama was/is president between the years of 2009 and 2017 is a fact.

What is centrist/"normal" and left and right and thus extreme can be measured by polls. If 49% of people think that drinking arsenic is good for your health it's not an extremist view. It's wrong, insanely so but not extremist.

Good point....

 

[Sean Renaud]

Micheal Jackson was the most perfect entertainer ever by the way.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Micheal Jackson was the most perfect entertainer ever by the way.

I guess......I fucking loathe pop music.

I think the RZA, the GZA, Inspektah Deck, Ghostface Killah, Raekwon Teh Chef, Cappadonna, U-God, Ol' Dirty Bastad and the M-E-T-H-O-D Man have him beat by miles.

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[Boxlicker101]

To get back on subject, Bernie has apparently pulled ahead of Silly Hilly in Iowa, as well as in NH. In all honesty, this is probably more growing dislike and distrust of the latter, than popularity of Bernie. http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/10/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-iowa-poll/

 

[Sean Renaud]

Or maybe this is the year everybody just decided to lose their goddamn minds.