Joe Wordsworth
Logician
- Joined
- Apr 22, 2004
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Haven't been around much, and my box is full of questions and assurances and explanations... none of which are entirely necessary. I'm generally a busy man, as those who PM with me frequently can attest to--this has been an exceptionally busy time for me, lately, on top of that.
But, to be honest, there's something in the air and it's worth getting out. I don't think I'm the only one who thinks so, my PM box seems to agree.
To get it clearly in the open, I'm not a giggle-fitted cyber-flirt. I never have been. It will be a rare time when I get into double entendres (sp?) for eighty posts talking vaguely about fucking someone else here. I've never been that kind of guy. I'm not humourless, just not comical in that regard. I'm not "wearing masks" of anything, nor do I spend my free time here posturing as a personality I am not.
If we're to respect a diversity, we're to respect that part of that collage may include people that don't like concluding things they aren't certain about, that don't like to ignore half the story for preference of opinion, and approach disagreement with reason and conceptual caution. Those people exist. I am one of them. Inasmuch as I can't see it being a fair thing to roll one's eyes and disregard another person's character as bullshit because they're prone to fall off-topic and degernate into joking... I don't think it fair to do so with the character of others.
What disagreements I get into here are not a product of hubris or a need to be right or a desire just to misguide or mislead verbally... I can't imagine what the point of any of that would be. I've had three threads dedicated to me since coming here. None of them have been pleasant. Honestly.
That's a tough thing to deal with. If you haven't dealt with that yet, you may not be able to accurately imagine what that's like. And in each case it isn't an attack on my points... but a comment on my character. A joke on my character. A flippant or snyde comment about my character. Usually to the tune of "oh, he's putting on an air of..."
That's especially difficult to deal with because it isn't a facade in any way... it's me. Acts can be changed, but one's person isn't that easy. There is something to be said for what it's like to belief every bit of what you're saying, to have that appreciated and respected... only to find a place where it is belittled and ridiculed as posturing, dimissed on character and in no way on ground. It's frustrating. Add insult to that, its disappointing.
This is a judgemental place. If you aren't comfortable with the idea of two men kissing, you're a homophobe who is repressing hidden homosexual tendancies inside. If you aren't down with how rotten Christians are, you're a fundamentalist who wants to shit on the Constitutional right of athiesm in children. If you entertain something in science that's unflattering, you're a cold and vicious thing that's barely a man. If you show us our flaws, you're a bastard for doing so.
That it's judgmental doesn't mean it isn't great... but it does mean that we get carried away, sometimes, in our ability to proclaim ourselves better, wiser, older, more modern, more enlightened, or more acceptable than the next guy.
Dr. M says he didn't mean anything negative by the thread, I believe him. Not everyone who posted there did... that such a thing would happen was not unforseeable. In that regard there is a negligence, but one we only have to care about when it gets around to us being on the bad end.
I don't think I have anything left to say.
But, to be honest, there's something in the air and it's worth getting out. I don't think I'm the only one who thinks so, my PM box seems to agree.
To get it clearly in the open, I'm not a giggle-fitted cyber-flirt. I never have been. It will be a rare time when I get into double entendres (sp?) for eighty posts talking vaguely about fucking someone else here. I've never been that kind of guy. I'm not humourless, just not comical in that regard. I'm not "wearing masks" of anything, nor do I spend my free time here posturing as a personality I am not.
If we're to respect a diversity, we're to respect that part of that collage may include people that don't like concluding things they aren't certain about, that don't like to ignore half the story for preference of opinion, and approach disagreement with reason and conceptual caution. Those people exist. I am one of them. Inasmuch as I can't see it being a fair thing to roll one's eyes and disregard another person's character as bullshit because they're prone to fall off-topic and degernate into joking... I don't think it fair to do so with the character of others.
What disagreements I get into here are not a product of hubris or a need to be right or a desire just to misguide or mislead verbally... I can't imagine what the point of any of that would be. I've had three threads dedicated to me since coming here. None of them have been pleasant. Honestly.
That's a tough thing to deal with. If you haven't dealt with that yet, you may not be able to accurately imagine what that's like. And in each case it isn't an attack on my points... but a comment on my character. A joke on my character. A flippant or snyde comment about my character. Usually to the tune of "oh, he's putting on an air of..."
That's especially difficult to deal with because it isn't a facade in any way... it's me. Acts can be changed, but one's person isn't that easy. There is something to be said for what it's like to belief every bit of what you're saying, to have that appreciated and respected... only to find a place where it is belittled and ridiculed as posturing, dimissed on character and in no way on ground. It's frustrating. Add insult to that, its disappointing.
This is a judgemental place. If you aren't comfortable with the idea of two men kissing, you're a homophobe who is repressing hidden homosexual tendancies inside. If you aren't down with how rotten Christians are, you're a fundamentalist who wants to shit on the Constitutional right of athiesm in children. If you entertain something in science that's unflattering, you're a cold and vicious thing that's barely a man. If you show us our flaws, you're a bastard for doing so.
That it's judgmental doesn't mean it isn't great... but it does mean that we get carried away, sometimes, in our ability to proclaim ourselves better, wiser, older, more modern, more enlightened, or more acceptable than the next guy.
Dr. M says he didn't mean anything negative by the thread, I believe him. Not everyone who posted there did... that such a thing would happen was not unforseeable. In that regard there is a negligence, but one we only have to care about when it gets around to us being on the bad end.
I don't think I have anything left to say.
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