Banded ISPs?

[KMann]

There is a link to a Chat on this board list but when I investigated I discoverd that swbell.net is on the list of banned ISPs! This is Southwestern Bell, part of SBC who just partnered with Yahoo! How is this possible? Stupid Nazi Geeks running that chat system?

Should a place like Lit even endorse a chat that bans a major public system?

pissed off in Houston,
Karl

 

[KillerMuffin]

http://kline.dal.net/exploits/blacklist.htm

To wit:

No matter how hard we try, there will always be some ISP's who simply will not co-operate with us in curtailing abuse. We cannot force them to do so, but we can warn prospective customers that the ISP they are considering has a poor track record of dealing with abuse and may not be the wisest choice. That is the purpose of the ISP Blacklist. Before blacklisting an ISP we always try the following :

We will try to impose limited autokills against specific users.
We will impose an 'ident' requirement on users of the ISP.
We will (where possible) ban troublesome sections of an ISP's netblock.
We will serve the ISP 7 days notice of a domain ban.
Finally, we will ban all users of the ISP from DALnet.
At the second stage and every subsequent stage we will try to contact the ISP's abuse address with details of the abuse in question. If no satisfactory response is received within 7 days and the abuse continues, we will move to the next stage. The process is designed to give ISP's ample time and evidence to act against abusive users, we have no wish to needlessy ban innocent people from DALnet.

ISP's will be entered into the blacklist when they reach stage 3 of our abuse escalation procedure.

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It's an IRC network where hostile, malicious, and harmful programs and scripts not only exist but abound. Everyone is a wannabe hacker, haxor. They do things like "gate" your IP, which is to use your connection to bring hostile bots, eggies, etc., into the dalnet system and do bad things to others. They try to take over the system or they try to harm other users systems. Dalnet tries to "autokill" or ban the users upon entry, but with so many methods of entry that are beyond Dalnet's ability to control, they can't be successful with practiced haxors and hackers.

The recourse is to take it to the user's ISP. With registered names, the system operators, sysops, know who the trouble is with and the originating ISP. Some ISPs will cooperate, because who the hell wants a malicious hacker in their systems. Some ISPs will not. Rather than subject the millions of dalnet users to vicious and dangerous haxors, the ban the ISP. The hope, no doubt, is that enough users like yourself will complain to the ISP and force the ISP to change policy.

 

[priyanka_171283]

I believe ISPs cannot do anything to curtail abuse.

If you ban an ISP several other innocent users are deprived of the Lit chat.

Frankly your CMs are efficient but very egoistic. I just raised a concern about people getting booted because they were in duplicate rooms, and that is no fault of theirs. The CM took this personally and banned me, my ISP. How the hell I am supposed to get back in?