Bad Taste

[Madame Pandora]

Personally, I think you can tell all you need to know about a person by who their favorite muppet is. That's how I judge all my potential friends. I wonder if it works for authors as well. I see Stephen King, for example, as a Mad Harry kinda guy myself..

MP

 

[Mustang Sally]

consider

I think writing fiction can be an outlet for the shadow, the darker parts of our personality that we can't or don't show in our outward persona. Therefore, a piece of writing does not necessarily characterize its author.

As for description and general writing ability, well, I don't see how that has anything to do with personality at all. It might influence how well a person is able to portray their personality online, and I guess that's your point. Ok, nevermind.

 

[Feisty1]

an author is what they write?

I don't see J.R.R. Tolkien as a hill-dwelling hobbit, Richard Wright as a jail-bound violent young man, or J.D. Salinger as a wandering social pariah.

Authors write what they write for a reason...to simplify why they do it to "it's who they 'really' are" or "it's what they know" is somewhat silly in my eyes, even if those are valid reasons that contribute to the why. While the way a story is tailored may be unique to that particular author, me thinks it is absurd to chalk up a story by anyone as defining their "underlying" personality more than a little naive.

Also, I hope that people aren't fooled into thinking that only people who write stories of a darker vein harbor a darker side. LOL, remember - it's always the 'nice quiet person next door' who winds up getting arrested for cannibalism and weird religious sacrifices.

 

[Whispersecret]

Feisty1, the more I read of your posts, the more I like your thinking. I'm with you on this one.

After thinking about it, Ambie probably does see darkness in the people he thinks are dark. We all see what we choose to see. If I suspect something about a person, most likely the things that will justify my suspicious are going to jump out more than the things that don't.

It's funny how people jump to conclusions about writers. I'm embarrassed to say that I used to think Stephen King was a really wacko guy. After reading his book On Writing I've changed my mind. He's a normal guy with a titanic imagination, a penchant for horror, and a gift for storytelling.

 

[Madame Pandora]

I used to think Stephen King was a really wacko guy. After reading his book On Writing I've changed my mind. He's a normal guy with a titanic imagination, a penchant for horror, and a gift for storytelling.

I'd still bet you dollars to donuts his favorite muppet is Mad Harry.

LOL...Woof

MP

 

[April]

Who's Mad Harry? I remember a few muppets, but I think I've missed some somewhere. My favorite is Animal. He's shaggy, pounds on drums, and likes food!

 

[Madame Pandora]

Who's Mad Harry? I remember a few muppets, but I think I've missed some somewhere. My favorite is Animal. He's shaggy, pounds on drums, and likes food!

Ahhh....April. I knew I liked you.

Animal lovers are people who tend to be wanton and fun-loving. A little bit impetuous, but in an endearing way. Gluttons feasting upon life ;-) So they jump in without looking every so often…what of it?

Mad Harry is the guy who's always blowing up stuff and following it with a crazy cackling laugh ;-)

MP

 

[Never]

Muppets He was the big, hairy one.
Big, as in man in a Muppet costume big.

*Looks up at previous post*
... Oh, dear, could it be Never is wrong?

 

[KillerMuffin]

Does this mean my writing isn't bitchy?

I'm celibate, I write about sex. Draw your own conclusions.

I'm going to go write an endearing piece with a catfight, betrayal by attempted murder, and a nice clean shot to the head by a sniper. I'm feeling warm fuzzies this evening.

Actually, I think I'll just nip off and have some nachos.

 

[Madame Pandora]

Muppets He was the big, hairy one.
Big, as in man in a Muppet costume big.

*Looks up at previous post*
... Oh, dear, could it be Never is wrong?

LOL...well...let's not say wrong...you are muppetfuddled. The big hairy one is "Sweetums"

;-)

 

[April]

Impetuous? Yep, that's me. LMAO I remember Animal tilting his head back, howling, and jiggling from side to side! I try to do that once a week. I don't think the neighbors like it, though!

Mad Harry still doesn't ring a bell, though. Animal, Gonzo, Kermit, Miss Piggy, Svedish Chef, and Beaker. Those I can remember. Fraggles, too.

 

[Whispersecret]

Ambrosious, do all the Literotica authors here a favor and state exactly who in your opinion is “unimaginative,” has “poorly conceived plots,” and writes “trite” poetry.

You’re a serious writer. You of all people should know it’s not cool to fling arbitrary, non-productive criticism about people’s writing. This seems like a shit-stirring, fuck-around-with-people’s-minds thread. I think there are a lot of authors reading this, thinking they might be one of the Fifteen. If you don’t state who you’re talking about, then you keep everyone (except the Countess) squirming under the microscope.

Was your intent to make people question their own work, to make people wonder if your harsh comments were aimed at them? Because it seems harsh of you to--not only criticize their writing in a non-constructive way --but to belittle the people themselves.

Are you truly serious about wanting to know if there’s a connection between psyche and stories? Or did you really just want to say that stuff about the dark stories and the pissy, whiny people, and the psychological observation seemed like a good way to slip it in?

If you’re serious about these critiques then send the feedback to whomever you’re talking about. There's a forum here specifically for that. Give the writers some specifics so they can analyze their work with regard to your comments. You can even cite examples from your own work that is imaginative, original, and well-plotted. The authors here deserve that much. As an author yourself, I would think you’d understand.

However, if this was a joke, let us in on it, please, because it wasn’t clear.

 

[Ambrosious]

Jesus Christ! Will I ever be able to say ANYTHING without some people taking it the wrong way? I mad a casual observation about board personas matching the image I get about the author of a story while reading it. I WILL NOT start naming names, nor will I send feedback. I was NOT critisizing the stories, dark is dark, and airy is airy. They BOTH have a place here.

Now about the poetry. Just read a few and you will see what I am talking about. I'm not an expert, but I do know what I consider good poetry. Some of it is fantastic, and some of it sucks wind-to ME.

Criticizing the poetry did get me some feedback yesterday, though. Some good, some bad, and some not based in reality. It's ok, a publisher liked it enough to buy it, and that is the reason I wrote it. I have now sold 5 poems, three of which are posted here. I also have a book deal in the works.

Please try not to find offense in every word I post, it isn't all bad. I swear.


Ambro

 

[Deborah]

What's up with this, Ambrosious?

I didn't take offense in your every word, and I don't think Whispersecret and others who challenged you did either. I just think you and those who agree with you are full of shit. No wait, strike "full of shit" because I'm practicing being nice in case you and tony_jam et al take me up on my dare to be right. Substitute "erroneous" for "full of shit" please.

What about you, tony_jam? You made a pretty strong statement with your "correlation between ..." babble. You want to play my little "put up or shut up" game, eh?

 

[Ambrosious]

Well, you lost me there. Thanks for the offer, but no. I don't want to waste time by arguing a point with you Deborah. From what I've seen, I could probably spend the time more wisely by beating my head against my desk. I know it wouldget more results than having a pissing contest with you. Don't know about tony_gam, nor do I care if you two argue the point until the sky turns crimson.

You've got one idea about this, I have another, and ne'er the two shall meet.

 

[TonyG]

Originally posted by Deborah
What's up with this, Ambrosious?

I didn't take offense in your every word, and I don't think Whispersecret and others who challenged you did either. I just think you and those who agree with you are full of shit. No wait, strike "full of shit" because I'm practicing being nice in case you and tony_jam et al take me up on my dare to be right. Substitute "erroneous" for "full of shit" please.

What about you, tony_jam? You made a pretty strong statement with your "correlation between ..." babble. You want to play my little "put up or shut up" game, eh?

Listed below is my "full of shit babble" you mentioned.

Originally posted by tony_gam
...Yes, I have noticed a correlation between my image of a Lit personality and their stories which causes me to avoid certain authors. Perhaps that is wrong, as maybe my personality image is not correct, but it's the truth.

Some of the members of Lit who post to the GB are often more serious than myself or start thread topics which do not usually attract my interest. I might still read those posts and threads but I have noticed that their tone sometimes also exists in their stories. This will cause me to avoid those authors.

I hope this is easier babble for you to understand because the "tone" of your game does not interest me.

 

[Guest]

Pluck, pluck, pluck.

Shucks, I was eagerly anticipating watching a little battle with the twits, 'er I mean battle of the wits.

 

[Closet Desire]

It's unfair...

...to do battle with an unarmed opponent. (spoken tongue in cheek)

 

[Ambrosious]

Uhhhh...


Thanks?

 

[Madame Pandora]

Ambro,

You never fail to amaze me with your inability to support anything you express.

I don’t know how it works in your little noggin’, but in mine (and I hazard to say in the minds of most people in the general realm of reality) it is assumed that when you make a public statement in a public forum, you are inviting public discussion. When you make a bold statement people will respond boldly. When you make blanket statements and vague commentary, some people are going to want to pin you down on specifics. Since my overall impression of you is that you’re not looking for real discussion, but rounds of attention-getting trouble making and/or sneering, I don’t really have any desire to debate you. It’s like arguing with a child. You are a sometimes witty element of the board with little to contribute that interests me. Yes, dear, I do know the feeling is mutual.

But I do so enjoy it when you have the gumdrops to act persecuted and superior when someone calls you to task on your little antics. It’s a hoot.

Just for grins and giggles, here are my unsolicited observations. Your own words are in bold, honey, to remind you of what you said.

Jesus Christ! Will I ever be able to say ANYTHING without some people taking it the wrong way? I mad a casual observation about board personas matching the image I get about the author of a story while reading it.

Casual observation? roflmao…ummm, let’s go to the instant replay -

The fun loving people here tell a great story with lots of description and good time sexual fun. The sour ones here tell dark stories with poor descriptions and poorly concieved plots centering around hatred and forcible sex, rape, pain, and humiliation.

Oh yes. Very casual.

Since you have stated n several threads that you find yourself to be “fun loving” it is clear you meant yourself and those you perceive as being like yourself.

Basically what your “observation” is saying in not so heavily veiled words is “the people I like write good stuff, the people I don’t like write crap.” Of course you don’t come out and SAY that. You take the amusing chicken shit road of just INSINUATING your meaning. That way when someone calls you on it you can bat your eyes innocently and act like you’ve been persecuted. Very comfy…and skillfully done, I might add.

I WILL NOT start naming names, nor will I send feedback.

No…of course not. Feedback would be constructive. Yet you said:

The ones I associate good threads to, like DCL, have fantastically funny, descriptive, imaginative stories that are just good.

No problem “naming names” here though, eh? It is also a comfy tactic to use DCL as an example because he’s the closest thing Literotica has to an icon. For the most part, you are guaranteed that the majority will agree with this statement. I don’t say that to take anything away from DCL it’s not his fault he has “groupies.” I just find it amusing that you have no problem using the name that is certain to have people agree with you, but won’t stand behind your statements that lack genuine substance with firm examples.

I was NOT critisizing the stories, dark is dark, and airy is airy. They BOTH have a place here.

Yes, both “dark” and “airy” stories have a place in a site that specializes in fantasy, as certainly most people have a dark and light side to their imagination. But to say you weren’t criticizing….

The sour ones here tell dark stories with poor descriptions and poorly concieved plots centering around hatred and forcible sex, rape, pain, and humiliation.

The ones I associate bad, depressing, pissing and whining threads to had stories that were dark, ominous, unimaginative and usually involved pain, submission, and humiliation. Downright scary stuff. Now I like the D/S stories, if they are done well, and these weren't. Let's not even talk about the trite they pass off as poetry.

I'm not an expert, but I do know what I consider good poetry. Some of it is fantastic, and some of it sucks wind-to ME.

Oh…right. Anyone could see there was no criticism involved. I suppose the above were offered as compliments.

Ambro, if you want to dick around by making random, negative statements about the writing of “some” authors here, no problem, but don’t act all innocent about it. It’s lame. You wanna be a snit, be a snit. But to take shots and then feign innocence…it’s cheap.

Some of the authors here take their feedback seriously (oops, I used the “S” word…now the shiny happy patrol will be on me). Many of them don’t get enough feedback. Personally, coming from you, I’d just tell them to consider the source, but apparently some of them place value upon your input. I myself haven’t written for a target audience in the erotica genre before finding this site, so I’m always curious as to how to better interpret my numbers and feedback. I assume most authors do the same.

I don’t really place any value on your “observations” especially since you clearly went into your little “experiment” with preconceived notions. But, know that when you make a statement like you’ve done with this thread other authors MAY take you to heart as they ARE seeking commentary on their work. Important safety tip.

Criticizing the poetry did get me some feedback yesterday, though. Some good, some bad, and some not based in reality. It's ok, a publisher liked it enough to buy it, and that is the reason I wrote it. I have now sold 5 poems, three of which are posted here. I also have a book deal in the works.

I can’t prove this isn’t true anymore than I’m sure you’d be inclined to “prove” it is. But I will say, judging from what I’ve seen of your work on this site, I find that highly unlikely. Of course, I only know a handful of publishers personally and I’ve only worked for one Midwestern and two Miami-based publications, so what do I know? You are either saving your better stuff for publication, or you’re blessed to have a very supportive publisher who sees potential I do not. There is also the nature of the publications involved. Not all published mediums have the same quality criteria. Congrats, nonetheless.I can understand your joy (and surprise) in announcing that you’ve sold any of your writings, especially the ones posted here.

I just hope you’re not implying that your “published” status gives you a more elevated perspective than anyone else. There are a lot of authors at Literotica (too many of which don’t frequent the boards, unfortunately) who have quality work on this site and who are, undoubtedly already published or destined to be so. For what it’s worth, I have a book deal “in the works” as do several other people I know. “In the works” is one of those vague statements you so favor.

Please try not to find offense in every word I post, it isn't all bad. I swear.

I can’t speak for everyone else, but I don’t find offense in every word you post. Some of your posts are pretty funny. I, do, however, SEE offense in some of them, like this one. Naturally, I’m not personally offended (as you so carefully point out, you didn’t mention names) I just don’t like it when someone insinuates with their words and then ducks out. If you want to say something, say it.

Well, you lost me there. Thanks for the offer, but no. I don't want to waste time by arguing a point with you Deborah. From what I've seen, I could probably spend the time more wisely by beating my head against my desk. I know it would get more results than having a pissing contest with you. Don't know about tony_gam, nor do I care if you two argue the point until the sky turns crimson. You've got one idea about this, I have another, and ne'er the two shall meet.

Yeah, honey, you need to stay away from Deborah. She’s WAY out of your league. She deals with facts and talking straight. You don’t need any part of that. You’re comfy where you are.

It isn’t lost on me that you’ve gotten exactly the attention you crave with this thread and that I’ve played into it by replying, but what the hell, it’s already two pages long and didn’t seem to be going away. Since, I’ve begun to understand you, and I’ve started to grock to your game, I’ve found out you’re much more entertaining than frustrating. It’s kind of fun to watch you start your mischief and then see what excuses and dodging you’ll come up with when you’re confronted about it.

Oh, that Ambrosious. What a card…he cracks me up.


MP


[Edited by Madame Pandora on 01-25-2001 at 09:09 AM]

 

[Ambrosious]

MP

I still think you have either worked for or were a huge supporter of the Clintonistas. Great spin job, again.

The only point I'll comment on is the one you made about my debating skills. I find it funny that I see you the same way you see me, childish. Being longwinded does not a great debate, make.

 

[Ambrosious]

Just reread your post MP...

And I will give you credit, the sarcasm and nasty snide comments you made are downright artistic. I wish I could be that mean and nasty, but I wouldn't sleep at night. I just can't do it. You probably think my comments above are mean and nasty, but they weren't intended to be. Believe it or not, it is true.

I have toned down my amount of thread starting silliness, mostly due to you and a couple of others. You took something I enjoyed and made it miserable. You took the fun off of the board, not only for me, but for quite a few, and not just the shiny, happy bunch. I tried to compromise, but you will have none of it. Now everytime I start ANY thread, I expect the worst from you and yours. Justified, I think.

Oh, well, this isn't my site, and if Laurel can't drive the point home to you, I will never be able to. It must give you some weird joy, sucking the pleasure out of everthing. If not, why do you do it? Just curious.

I'll shut up now, so you can go back to the sarcasm you do so well...

 

[Madame Pandora]

Oh Ambro,

If I were going to get into my “childish” debating boots, I would mention a little technical term called “a red herring.” Rather than address anything I say directly, you prefer to just stir up another issue entirely. Thank you, President Nixon ;-)

I’m sorry you don’t like my sarcasm. Trouble with sarcasm is that it’s not effective unless it’s true. I’m also sorry you’re miserable here, and I’m sorry you blame me for it. I’m glad you sleep well, though. At least you’ll have your health.

Compromise? Since you mention it, I have not brought up the subject of your posting habits again since that thread closed. I have no intention to do so again. I also have not posted on the VAST majority of your threads, and to my knowledge this is the first since that posting debate thread where I have addressed you directly in any "negative" manner. Talk about a spin job.

Am I to take it that every time you post something there are only certain people you are inviting to the discussion? Perhaps if you posted rules so we could understand…

I don’t know who “you and yours” refers to (the pound I suppose…woof). That others agree with me I can’t help anymore than you can help it that your little clan agrees usually. As for what you expect from me, all I can offer you there is that I will be myself. I will express my opinion and I will often do it with sarcasm. If that irritates you (or anyone else), I can’t help that any more than I can help that your habits irritated me once upon a time.

For those of you who missed it, that last post was Ambro’s call to begin telling him how much he is valued and how much you would/do miss him when/if he ever leaves. I know it's hard to discern sometimes. He can be so very vague...

MP

 

[Ambrosious]

She is an artist.

 

[KillerMuffin]

Straight up Ambro. Yes or no. I'm one of those "bitches" that jumped up and down on you for your posting habits. One of those people here that you don't like. I know you don't like me. I'm a "sour" one who rains on everyone's parade. So the question is, do you like my writing. Yes or no. Do you think my writing has poor descriptions and poorly concieved plots centering around hatred and forcible sex, rape, pain, and humiliation? Yes or no.

I've been looking for them, can't find them. Other than you, which of the fun-loving people have stories? I'd like to read them, I happen to think that some of them write very well in their posts and I bet they have good stories posted. I happen to like your story, I'd like the opportunity to read theirs.