Ashamed of being a Swede

[Svenskaflicka]

This is disgusting.

 

[Edward Teach]

This is disgusting.

Svenska, I'm not positive but I think one of the authors of that article, Carin Pettersson, is MG in RL.

Ed-

Ps. On second thought the article deals mostly with dogs and cats, not sheep, so it probably isn't MG.

 

[lewdandlicentious]

A different subject I know, but did you know that child abuse is not illegal in Denmark?????

 

[McKenna]

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[Svenskaflicka]

I think it's awful. I love animals, all kinds of animals, more than human beings, and it pisses me off to hear about people abusing and mistreating them in this manner.

Show me a guy who's actually fucked an animal, and I'll rip his lousy pecker off with my bare hands!

 

[Pure]

The point is that it should be illegal to injure an animal.

One's feelings about the 'taboo' are irrelevant.

One can shove one's whole arm up a cow's ass with no ill effects for the cow--- shown recently in that Paris Hilton on the farm show. A pecker would be of little danger.

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Lewd and Licentious said,

Did you know that child abuse is not illegal in Denmark?????

Please supply evidence.

You implication is almost certainly horseshit.

The only reason I say 'almost' is that it's possible to cover the most serious kinds of abuse under assault, rape, and murder laws; i.e, no special law, in theory, would be necessary for this sort of thing. Additionally of course, most countries have a law that obliges parents to provided the necessities of life to their children.

I guess this thread is about how degenerate the Scandinavians are and how nice things can be in Ashcroft land. And about how once somethings illegal the problem is pretty much solved.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

No, this thread is about the fact that ever since child pornography was outlawed, the creeps who wanted to have sex with defenseless, nonconsentual beings, turned their selfish meathooks towards the animals.

The reason for the title of this thread is that since the article was about Swedes, I feel ashamed of what some of my countrymen are doing. Had the article been about Frenchmen or Spaniards abusing animals, I would have named the thread "Ashamed of being a European".

I'm all for interracial, but I draw the line at interspecial.

 

[Pure]

"Ashamed of being a Swede "

Before you trade in your passport, have you considered that the amount of animal abuse may merely be more _obvious_ in Sweden, i.e., equally or more frequent elsewhere?

The laxity of certain laws in scandinavia may simply have to effect of making certain things more open.

It's an intriguing idea that outlawing child porn might have caused the rise in sex with animals. I'm not sure how one would prove that.

However, if outlawing child porn reduced illegal sex with children and increased sex with animals, maybe it's not a bad outcome.
It's callous but if the "creep" is going after someone I'd rather it be Fido than little Johnny. (And inflicting injuries on humans or animals should certain be illegal.)

 

[MathGirl]

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Dear Svenska,
Yes. Good grief!
MG
Where did Blackbeard the pirate come from? As I remember, he was hanged and his body left to rot in the harbor at London.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

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It's callous but if the "creep" is going after someone I'd rather it be Fido than little Johnny. [/B]

I don't. Human beings can tell others that they have been abused, and thus punish the wrongdoer. How's an animal going to tell the world that his Master is raping him every night?

 

[NoJo]

Show me a guy who's actually fucked an animal, and I'll rip his lousy pecker off with my bare hands!

I thought you meant fucked like an animal. Otherwise I quite agree. Although horses for courses, as we say in England.

 

[Pure]

pure:
It's callous but if the "creep" is going after someone I'd rather it be Fido than little Johnny.
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SF:
I don't. Human beings can tell others that they have been abused, and thus punish the wrongdoer. How's an animal going to tell the world that his Master is raping him every night?
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I'm glad I'm not your kid, then. (aamof most kids don't tell.)

but being your dog might not be so bad

 

[NoJo]

Animals are abused in many ways. I don't think fucking them is anywhere near the worst thing that happens to them. I'm sure I don't need to list them.

There's a very powerful TV ad here in Britain for the RSPCA (animal protection society) which shows animals talking like abused kids about what their "owners" have done to them.

 

[shereads]

If this is real, it is disconcerting. I thought the Swedes were more civilized than we Americans, but our laws require that the animal give its consent and be at least 18 in dog years.


Edited to ad: I'd be suspicious of the veterinarians who supplied these statistics. It seems bizarre that one in twenty pets at veterinary clinic has been, um, well, you know.

 

[Couture]

How is whoever wrote this article going to know how many animals were fucked? Hello Mr. Sheep did someone fuck you?

Baaaaa-aaaa

Oh they did. And little Johnny's hurt.

Baaaa-aaa

He's stranded in the woods and being held hostage by smarmy Sweedes? Lead the way Mr. Sheep. We'll get those bastards!

 

[Couture]

How is whoever wrote this article going to know how many animals were fucked? Hello Mr. Sheep did someone fuck you?

Baaaaa-aaaa

Oh they did. And little Johnny's hurt.

Baaaa-aaa

He's stranded in the woods and being held hostage by smarmy Sweedes? Lead the way Mr. Sheep. We'll get those bastards!

 

[Boxlicker101]

This is disgusting.

If little Fidette comes in with her vagina torn, how can they tell it was from a man rather than a dog too large for her?

 

[shereads]

Re: Re: Ashamed of being a Swede

If little Fidette comes in with her vagina torn, how can they tell it was from a man rather than a dog too large for her?

Men. Can't you take Fidette's word for it?

Seriously, who is bringing these animals to the vet for their injuries? The owners? "Scrappy seems to have been, um, abusing himself."

 

[Dirt Man]

Whoa! Let's think this over here a minute..

No, this thread is about the fact that ever since child pornography was outlawed, the creeps who wanted to have sex with defenseless, nonconsentual beings, turned their selfish meathooks towards the animals.

The reason for the title of this thread is that since the article was about Swedes, I feel ashamed of what some of my countrymen are doing. Had the article been about Frenchmen or Spaniards abusing animals, I would have named the thread "Ashamed of being a European".

I'm all for interracial, but I draw the line at interspecial.

The article was talking about sexual abuse, not sexual intercourse. They are two different things. One is frankly abusive, the other is all about pleasure for all concerned. Yes, I know that some sickos combine the two, but that's again sexual abuse. And Svensakflicka, more women enjoy sexual intercourse with animals than men do. So don't go there at all. Just like bigotry every case should be taken on an individual bases, person by person. I love animals two, though not sexually, but I won't condemn those who have a more loving relationship with their pets than most civilized nations allow.

As Always
I Am the
Dirt Man

 

[lewdandlicentious]

Lewd and Licentious said,

Did you know that child abuse is not illegal in Denmark?????

Please supply evidence.

You implication is almost certainly horseshit.

Horseshit eh, so just because you've not heard it before..............

Now who's being rude???


Some family of mine were on holiday in the Canaries last summer. They have two children, a son of ten, and a daughter of six. The daughter is very pretty, long blonde hair and blue eyes.

No physical contact was made, but the man of a Danish family tried to persuade the little girl to go back to their room, secretly with them. The wife was not wholly against the idea either apparently. The hotel authorities and the police were reluctant to do anything, because the family are repeat visitors and spend lots of money.

In later conversation, a German family came forward and said the man had tried to do the same thing with their son, who also was blonde with blue eyes.

Subsequent enquiries found my point to be the case, that in Denmark, sexual child abuse is NOT illegal, so the guy, and indeed his wife, probably didn't regard what they were doing as wrong, as long as the little girl went to their room willingly!

If Svenskaflicka didn't have me on ignore (poor love) she'd probably concur.

Apparently, certain Danish government officials are trying to get the law changed, but are coming up against opposition.

Wonder why???

And about how once somethings illegal the problem is pretty much solved.

That's right is it? Make something illegal and it goes away???

I'm sorry, but wake yourself up will you????

Child abuse is illegal in most civilised countries, but it still goes on!

Look at ANY housing estate, and I do mean any, and there's AT LEAST one child on there being sexually abused. YOU KNOW someone, who's been sexually abused. It's a fact! Just because it was never made public, doesn't mean it didn't happen. And how many would admit it anyway??

"Oh by the way, my Daddy/uncle/family friend used to abuse me when I was young!!"

For god sake wake up!

 

[snooper]

I don't. Human beings can tell others that they have been abused, and thus punish the wrongdoer. How's an animal going to tell the world that his Master is raping him every night?

In one, or both, of two ways:
the animal absconds, or
the animal bites and/or scratches.
If it is too small to do either of those effectively then it is probably too small to be abused in any way which is specifiecally sexual.

I had the opposite problem some years ago, when my male Labrador insisted on sticking his nose up every skirt within range, and licking. Some of the women complained, some didn't.

 

[Gary Chambers]

I once a knew a rather disgusting individual who thought it was fun to masturbate his cat. The man was a piece of walking filth, but I must admit the cat did not seem to dislike him. I think the important word here is 'abuse'. We have far too many laws about everything including sex, yet still not enough to curb abuse. Even more disturbing: we do not fully recognise that truly abusive relationships result from a mental or emotional illness on the part of the attacker. The truth is, we have enough laws to make abuse of people or animals a felony, but we seem to lack the will in Sweden and everywhere else to enforce those laws.

I'm not Swedish or Danish but I have been to both countries and have known many Danes and Swedes. I find them both very civilised people. Copenhagen is one of my favourite cities. The idea that Swedes and Danes condone sexual abuse of children or animals is beyond belief. I suspect that Pure is right when she says the lack of special laws probably just makes Denmark and Sweden places where such problems can be more openly discussed and dealt with more effectivley. I find it hard to accept that actual incidence of abuse are any higher in Sweden and Denmark than anywhere else.

 

[NoJo]

I once a knew a rather disgusting individual who thought it was fun to masturbate his cat. The man was a piece of walking filth, but I must admit the cat did not seem to dislike him.

A vivid image has been conjored here. Please post something else on a completely different subject so I can obliterate the image.

You reminded me that when I was a kid, my friend's French bulldog used to jerk off on my leather satchel whenever I went round there after school.

 

[Pure]

Hi Lewd,

you said,


No physical contact was made, but the man of a Danish family tried to persuade the little girl to go back to their room, secretly with them. The wife was not wholly against the idea either apparently. The hotel authorities and the police were reluctant to do anything, because the family are repeat visitors and spend lots of money.

In later conversation, a German family came forward and said the man had tried to do the same thing with their son, who also was blonde with blue eyes.

Subsequent enquiries found my point to be the case, that in Denmark, sexual child abuse is NOT illegal, so the guy, and indeed his wife, probably didn't regard what they were doing as wrong, as long as the little girl went to their room willingly!

If Svenskaflicka didn't have me on ignore (poor love) she'd probably concur.

Apparently, certain Danish government officials are trying to get the law changed, but are coming up against opposition.


Your posting is entirely vague in key matter, as it does not say whom the 'enquiries' were made to. Or what they said, exactly.

Further, you state that the incident was in the Canaries. They are not part of or ruled by Denmark, are they?

In that case, why didn't the Canary police do something. I suggest nothing quite 'prosecutable' took place.

I think your whole little tout is based on never quite defining your terms. The police conduct in the above incident suggests the following. Remember a raped kid was not brought to them:

The Danes may have no law against talking to kids and asking them to go somewhere.

Lacking evidence of sexual purpose, such 'accosting' cannot be prosecuted.

Since nothing occurred, there is no evidence of sexual purpose.

The Danes certainly have laws against physically harming, assaulting, raping, and murdering kids. Likely too they have an age of consent, so that intercourse will be consided rape for a child.

So all the 'fuss' may boil down to an 'accosting' or 'meeting' or 'making arrangement to meet' (a child) law. You've presented no evidence to the contrary.

And the genuine problem of such a zealous law (as in US) is that it criminalizes something not necessarily criminal. Indeed, as experiments have shown, most adults, esp. males, are reluctant to approach and talk to a child in obvious distress. Even if such a law allows prosecution of borderline cases--and you leave aside the minor problem of conviction of the innocent-- it has a substantial down side.

J.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I am inclined to agree with what Pure said, which is unusual. The Canary Islands are part of Spain and I am sure there are laws in Spain, and everywhere else against the sexual abuse of children, but "sexual abuse" is a matter of semantics. Consensual sex, even with a very young child, may not be illegal, as long as there is no injury. As a lover of children, the idea is repugnant to me so I will carry this string of thought no further. As Pure also pointed out, nothing happened. I strongly suspect the motives of the Danish visitors were unwholesome, to say the least, but I also think that, very likely, nothing illegal happened, under the laws of most countries. In the US, they probably would have been charged with attempted rape, convicted by a hysterical jury and sentenced to long prison terms, even with no actual proof.