Artists of Erotica...

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[TheLittleWolf]

mmm Patty...The Breakfast of Champions

Your increadable and fantasticly talented. I'ld love to see what you would do with a pallete of "body paint"...

 

[TheLittleWolf]

On the on going discusion regarding art...

As an artist, I make art because something inside me insists that I do it.

ART FOR ARTS SAKE.

If some one sees my work and likes it, great, if no one sees my work, great. If someone sees my work and hates it, great. The experience of making the piece is what made me create it in the first place.

A kind word is just as valuable as honest criticism. If those words make my next piece "better" all the better.
It is also funny how one person will look at Piece X and love it. another person will look at piece X and hate it. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...yes. Both viewers are correct in their opinions of Piece X. Who is to say that one or the other is wrong?

At some point in an artists life they must decide for themselves what they will create and throw away all the art smarm they here. Art for Arts Sake.

 

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[Halo_n_horns]

This has been a fun read...

Rhino, I totally agree with your points about how artwork is priced through galleries. There are definitely a great number of pieces that should be re-evaluated in terms of actual worth in comaparison to the profit they want to reel in from it.

In reading the comments of Blacksnake and TheLittleWolf something occured to me; with the exception of one illustration that I did in the 7th grade, I've never consciously tried to get any particular emotions or thoughts from one of my pieces. I've always worked from instinct. When I responded to Dar's request for an illustration to her poem, I read it and two images came to mind. The one I produced just felt like the right one.

After reading BlackSnake's comments she did kind of have a rattlesnake-backed-into-a-corner kind of look. But in conjunction with Dar's poem, the illustration had a whole different mood to it.

That seems to be where TheLittleWolf and QuietlyMakingNoise were correct in their opinions that it's all in the eyes of the beholders. Meanings, emotions or tingling instincts, it's all about the person who created it AND the person viewing it. I'm betting that everyone could go back to the very first illustration I posted in this thread and their would be a continuous stream of different impressions from it that would vary from my own.

Maybe that is what art is? Creation to be felt and/or thought about by another?

 

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[Halo_n_horns]

that is part of what i was TRYING to get at.

To be "art" (as I think of it , anyway)...there is taht connection with creator and viewer... different with each pairing.

"Creation to be felt and/or thought about by another" that is communication.

seems to me that the better the communication the better the art ). sometimes to communicate a certain message/feeling a different technique is required. So photorealism is not the best art nor is fauism...it is taht which communicates the message best...and certainly within each technique or style there is a measureable mastery too. I admit that in some techniques mastery is more difficult to measure. Realism might be easier to quanitfy while impressionism by it's very definition....is more subjective.

Good. Now we're on the common ground. I must admit, however, that in the end I still won't be going at it in the terms that you're thinking. There's two reasons that I create: 1) I have to. It's in my nature and there's no escaping it. 2) I am instincually and emotionally gratified by what I create (when it comes out the way I wanted it to, that is).

Hold on. Checking out the MILF across the street......................................................................................................................................................... ... .. .

Where was I ... ?

In the end, I'm not consciously trying to communicate a damn thing to anyone but myself. People will see or feel what they will with or without the intentions of the artist. If an artist was to paint a picture with symbolisms that held the keys to solving all the world's problems, those symbolisms would be wasted on me if my first instinct and/or emotion was that I didn't like the painting. Thought wouldn't even become a factor. That's pretty much what drives my own pens, pencils, brushes, sculpting tools, etc. Is it going to be cool? Art for art's sake, forsaking everything else. It's a purity thing. Pure art.

 

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[Halo_n_horns]

again...i say not "pure art"...rather that's "pure expression"

which is a very valid and important thing to do.

I did not say the message of art has to be important to be succesful.
rather it is important that the message (of coolness for expample) is conveyed.

your message might be to portary sexuality, eroticism.

Very often that is mine. To that end I inquire..what DO people find erotic? what turns them off. NATURALLY it won't all be universal. To improve my art.. my message I feel I must learn. Doe the lack of context and environment diminsih the message? Does showing EVERYTHING (which I am prone to do) ruin it? some tittlation often makes the message MORE charged...yet I still like to see it all. I like to share it too...In some small way I hope to connect with someone....have my vision resonate.

Well, in the end of that discussion, all I can say is that any communication on my part, through my work, is coincidental or an accidental happenstance.

With very rare exception...

HEY! where's that MILF!?

Sadly the MILF has left. She's a HOT one too.

To that end I inquire..what DO people find erotic? what turns them off. NATURALLY it won't all be universal. To improve my art.. my message I feel I must learn.

You're bringing up a whole new conversation there. What hasn't been sexualized and made erotic by someone??? The fully clothed or covered human form has been made erotic just as much as the nude human form. Animals, mythical and real, have been eroticised. ALL human bodily functions have been eroticized (don't ask. I've seen some really not-right things). Children, SADLY, have been eroticized. Pain and torture have been eroticized. Even skyscrapers (see the movie cover for Howard Stern's "Private Parts" for example) have been eroticized. Foods of all types, household items, shoes and other clothing, even the abscence of eroticism through sublime build up or through deprivation of the senses to a known source of erotica has become a favorite source of eroticism for many people. Priests and nuns have been eroticized. Good and evil have been eroticized (especially by yours truely). These guys, , , , , have all been eroticized. Parts, pieces, nibbles, kit-n-kaboodles, chunks, jumblies, widgets, whatchyamacallits, thing-a-majiggers and whatchyamahoozits have all been eroticized.

I could illustrate a scene where a nude woman is vomiting into another woman's mouth while she's also having a red-hot poker jammed into her ass while the whole time she's trying to cradle an infant child, and somebody, somewhere, would find that erotic while many others would find it beyond repulsive. Not to mention the whole intellectual crowd would be ganging up on the various symbolisms within the illustration. How's that for communication?

That question really opens the communication door, as you're using it, because I know I've seen things that weren't meant to be erotic, but I found them to be exactly that.

 

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[Halo_n_horns]

geeze! i didn't really need a list!

I meant that I inquire as a matter of process...not that I was inquiring of YOU just then.

In my introspective way...I like to see if what I find erotic connects with others and if so who? not my wife apparently.

I figured that was rhetorical, but it was too much fun to answer to just let it go.

 

[BlackSnake]

ok..that is just stupid.

the car does not change with the price. It is the same car.
it does not BECOME crappy. it is just not a good value ratio.

as to art....so snob patron says I have $50,000 that i HAVE to spend on art so i demand that you show me something of that value? I know that is what HAPPENS...and it is stupid.

I go to a gallery...I assess the work on mastery, craftsmanship, artistry, meaning (to me)....then look at it's price tag....if it is too high (for MY budget)..I do not buy it. The piece stays just as valuable to me as it was....the gallery becomes crappier by virtue of their pricing system.

to me likely to own and likely to like are different. There are expensive pieces that I would LOVE to have they are not crappy because i cannot afford.

Price does have an affect on how I view a piece of art. The higher the price would cause me to be more critical. It's not my budget.

 

[TheLittleWolf]

It is more than obvious that each of us creates art for our own personel reasons. And that to me is "Art for Arts Sake".
We are all individuals with different up bringings and different influences. These influences thru out our lives has molded us subtley into different individuals. And since we do not work with a hive mind mentality, we get individuality. In other words we each see the world differently, each of us can look out our windows and see the same MILF walking down the street and draw her. The end result would be that every one of our finished pieces of art would be different. We all saw the same subject but because of our glorious sense of individuality our interpretations of the same subject are different, influences from our pasts creep into the present and sway our perceptions.

 

[TheLittleWolf]

If memory serves me right this debate started out as what is "good art"....
What we did not consider in our debates is the skill level of the artist.
The amount of creativity in each of us is great but it only takes a small amount of creativity to make a drawing. The amount of skill a person has at his/her chosen medium makes up for a lot of the drawing.
A high skill level means that the person has had a lot of practice.
The higher ones skill level is the better the piece of work looks (to the general public)

 

[QuietlyMakingNoise]

I'd like to look at what you have said and see if I have misunderstood.

Let's say that "art" is indeed "in the eye of the beholder"...that is to say:
it is art if the beholder believes (or perceives) it to be. correct?

so.... If knowing what was meant to be brought out (or coveyed)...and it is done successfully.....then "only your perception" is changed (for the better in this case). In this case does it not become more like art in your eye?

your perception has changed, therefore in your eye it is more arty, artistic, art-like, artesque.

I think that if my preception happens to coincide with the original intent of the artist, then S/He has achieved their purpose. Also, if I know what they're trying to convey I may look "only" for their intended meaning rather than let the artwork speak to me.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the meaning I see in a piece of art is based on the sum total of my own experiences, which by definition will vary significantly from those around me. Thus, what I call art and what you [in the general sense] call art will differ based on those experiences.

[Rhino, any of this make sense to you?]

 

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[QuietlyMakingNoise]

ah.
ok.
well that was not what you had said. Or perhaps I misinterpreted.
sorry.

No, no misunderstanding, just forced me to fully evolve my thoughts into something coherent.

 

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Nice Breakfast... that would even make me want to get up... LOL

 

[BlackSnake]

ah.
ok.
well that was not what you had said. Or perhaps I misinterpreted.
sorry.

It might not have been what I said. I do change some of my views when I can see a flaw in the logic or when its pointed out to me.

 

[Moon Dragon]

I think they are tired of me spamming the GB with this stuff, so I'm going to slap the nude/sexy/girlie stuff here. Unless otherwise noted, I only colored it so if you are going to offer some pointers on the sketches themselves you'll need to speak to someone else. I welcome remarks on all of these and I'll edit this post later to include credits once I have the chance. From oldest to newest, here goes:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/m00ndrag0n1076/8e096bc1vr2copy.gifOriginal by Bruce Timm
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/m00ndrag0n1076/cheerc.jpgOriginal by Graeme MacDonald
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/m00ndrag0n1076/gamsc.jpgOriginal by Graeme MacDonald

 

[Moon Dragon]

More:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/m00ndrag0n1076/wildtiger60.gifSource unknown.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/m00ndrag0n1076/the_cost.gifAll me!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/m00ndrag0n1076/mystique.gifOriginal by Bruce Timm

 

[Moon Dragon]

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[Halo_n_horns]

Moon Dragon,

Your coloring, provided these started out as black & whites, is excellent. Have you tried doing originals, or has this been your passion thus far?

By the way, welcome to the AH and this thread.

 

[Moon Dragon]

Moon Dragon,

Your coloring, provided these started out as black & whites, is excellent. Have you tried doing originals, or has this been your passion thus far?

By the way, welcome to the AH and this thread.

A couple of them had a little pencil shading to start with, but I had to shade over that regardless. The one with the heart cut out of her chest is my work. I color to pass the time inbetween moments of inspiration.

Thanks for the welcome and the compliment.