Artists and Insanity.

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I came across this article while doing some research. I found it very interesting and too good not to share. I hope you like it and can have a discussion about your views or feelings. Ciao Abs. :rose:

Artists and Mental Health
Still Crazy After All These Years
By Ilana Stanger, Guest Writer

Are artists really, well, crazier than regular folks?

Judging by my artistic friends, yes. Judging by the number of famous mentally ill artists — it'd be easy enough to conclude so. The theory of the "mad genius" has roots at least as far back as ancient Greece, where Socrates dismissed any poet "untouched by the madness of the muses." Such poets, Socrates warned, are doomed to find their "sane compositions never reach perfection, but are utterly eclipsed by the inspired madman." Since then the stereotype of the crazy artist has endured, and, with psychology's emergence as a science in the late nineteenth century, scientists have taken to studying the somewhat elusive connection between artistic genius and mental illness. As the eminent and early psychiatrist William James noted, "When a superior intellect and a psychopathic temperament coalesce we have the best possible condition for the kind of effective genius that gets into the biographical dictionaries."

In 1992 Dr. Arnold M. Ludwig, a psychiatrist at the University of Kentucky Medical Center, published an extensive biographical survey of 1,005 famous 20th-century artists and writers, comparing their mental health with those of individuals in other, more conventional, professionals. Ludwig discovered that artists and writers experienced two to three times the rate of psychosis, suicide attempts, mood disorders, and substance abuse than did comparably successful people in business, science, and public life. Ludwig went so far as to trace various types of mental illness to different creative professions: he found that if you're a poet you're more likely to suffer from mania and psychoses; a musician or actor, drug abuse; a composer, artist, or non-fiction writer, alcohol dependence. In Ludwig's analysis, those professions which rely on precision, reason, and logic have a much lower rate of mental illness than those that rely on emotive expression, personal experience, and vivid imagery as a source of inspiration.

In other words, it could always be worse--you could be a poet.

Another (desperate sigh) interesting study, published in The American Journal of Psychiatry in 1994, surveyed the mental state of fifteen Abstract Expressionist Artists of the New York School--including Jackson Pollock, whose infamous instability is currently bringing in the bucks on the big screen. The study found that over 50% of the 15 artists included in the group suffered from some form of psychopathology, most often mood disorders and morbidness compounded with alcoholism. Often the consequences of these illnesses were fatal: of the fifteen artists, two were suicides, two died in single-vehicle accidents considered to be "suicide equivalents," and two had fathers who killed themselves. In total, seven of the fifteen were dead before the age of sixty.

Why might artists suffer more from mental illness? Dr. Sidney Melanger, a Freudian psychiatrist in private practice in New York, offered one explanation. "People who are creative are much more in touch with their unconscious," he told me. "This increases their capacity for creativity, because they can tap the uncharted waters within them. As a result of this they can think in crazier ways, which means more creative ways." As Dr. Oliver Sacks (you know him--the doctor Robin Williams played in "The Awakening,") put it, "Creativity involves the depth of a mind and many, many depths of unconsciousness."

Ok, so we've got the unconscious involved, which always means trouble. But there's more. According to Dr. Kay Jamison of Johns Hopkins University, herself a sufferer of manic-depressive disorder, hypomania, or mild mania, is "highly conducive to original thinking." The diagnostic criteria for hypomania includes "sharpened and unusually creative thinking and increased productivity," and some of the personality features associated with hypomania, especially expansive thought and grandiose moods, can lead to increased fluency and frequency of thoughts. In other words, people who experience hypomania may, for a time, experience greater productivity and creativity--both key characteristics for artists.

Other theories about the art-mental illness connection include the possibility of a genetic link between depression and creativity (remember the two children of suicides in the New York school?) and, ironically, the therapeutic effect of making art itself. Art Therapy is based on the idea that people who have difficulty expressing themselves through "normal" social interactions will benefit from expressing themselves through art. So, those drawn to art might be those who already have some emotional difficulty. Finally, a third theory considers the effect of artists' exposure to toxic materials. (Ala the old image of the Mad Hatter in Alice in Wonderland, and the subsequent research that found the mercury used in repairing hats was, indeed, making those hatters "mad.")

Are suffering and art inevitably linked? Carl Jung praised the artist as the one who "makes it possible for us to find our way back to the deepest springs of life." If that sounds like a big responsibility, it is. Jung's artist, forced to carry "the unconscious psychic life of mankind," might find himself with "so heavy a burden that he is fated to sacrifice happiness and everything that makes life worth living for the ordinary human being."
Yikes.

Ready to throw in the towel right now? Don't. Not every psychologist believes in the mental illness-creativity link. I spoke with Annie Hagert, a mental health counselor at the University of the Arts, who is unconvinced that there is more pathology among artists, but, at the same time, is absolutely convinced that the stereotype of the mad artist affects artists. "Artistic children often do not have as many venues to shine, and to gain self-esteem, as other children," she explained. "They see themselves as different, as an artist. The notion that craziness is an important aspect of being an artist, and that the craziness makes you a better artist, affects them."

This negative stereotype can, taken to an extreme, prevent mentally ill artists from seeking treatment for fear of losing their creative edge. For a frightening example of this we can look to the expressionist artist Edvard Munch, who, when informed that certain treatments could replace the cycle of institutionalization he'd been undergoing, insisted that he be able to "keep those sufferings." Munch considered his emotional torments "part of me and my art," warning that, "they are indistinguishable from me, and it would destroy my art."

Hagert strives to combat that attitude among the young artists she sees. "I used to work on Capitol Hill," says Hagert, "And there is just as much craziness there as among art students. Artists see their work as a manifestation of themselves, which it is. But so can a lawyer's work be, or an accountant's. The notion that artists use their problems as fuel for their art, and therefore must have problems, is a story that both sides like to tell. And that's fine, as long as it doesn't hurt the artist."

Jamison also warns against the stereotype of the "mad genius," which trivializes a very serious disease and undermines individuality in the arts. "Most manic-depressives do not possess extraordinary imagination, and most accomplished artists do not suffer from recurring mood swings," she reminds us.

The upshot? Although many artists do relish their quirkiness, there's nothing romantic about suicide and substance addiction. Art is hard. It's hard to make a living. It's hard to believe in yourself. And it's hard to be judged by subjective criteria--especially when you feel it's your soul up on the canvas.
While it can be illuminating to consider the art-mental illness connection, it shouldn't be taken as prophesy. Hagert asks the students she sees, some of whom exhibit self-destructive behavior, "How can you be interesting and creative and tow the line? How can you be interesting and creative and not hurt yourself?"

Remember also that taking care of yourself is important not just for your health, but, despite Munch's claim, for your work. Dr. Melanger noted that someone who suffered too deeply from mental illness would not be able to produce art: "If you're truly insane you can't really be creative in a way that's communicative and that people can respond to." As Sylvia Plath put it, "When you are insane, you are busy being insane--all the time...When I was crazy, that's all I was."
Take care of yourself, work hard on your art, and stay sane. The rest will follow.

This article was originally created for TheArtBiz.com. It appears on NYFA Interactive courtesy of the Abigail Rebecca Cohen Library
 
Very thought-provoking article.

I knew we were all crazy. :D
 
well I'm not crazy....





I'm profoundly unconventional...
 
I've spent most of my adult life working with and around 'artists' - by artists, I mean for the sake of my personal experience, 'painters', 'sculptors' and 'performance artists'. Would I classify any of them as mad? One or two for sure, I remain uncertain about the woman who casts erect penis (she has more than 2000) and several performance artists stretch the bounds of my credibility in order to reform. For example, the performance of a young woman who crawled naked up a Fashion Catwalk coated in chocolate - I get the point but still feel disturbed by the imagery.

To a large degree 'artists' (see my definition above) are driven by an inner fire to produce work to explain their perspective of the world. I find most artists highly knowledgeable, politicised and expressive, but few artists, in my acquaintance, can vocally explain their work. It has taken me many years to understand my wife's work, this is not healthy. Requests for explanation lead to demands to interpret. I've recently made some kind of breakthrough and I've begun to write about her work and its 'message' with a shared empathy.

In isolation, an individual artist may be an outsider when compared to the average Joe or Josephine. When grouped, in an art school or studio complex, it takes someone really talented or wierd to stand out from the crowd. There is a desire in artists, like in any other discipline, to stand out from the crowd. The extremities of artists tend toward being promoted for their eccentricity or salaciousness rather than for message - it's a media thing.

Some years ago a large building in the East End of London housed 170 artists in studios, Open week-ends were an souce of amazement and discovery, only one or two might be classified as in 'need of help'.

Do artists suffer from higher levels of mental illness? I'm surprised so few in my acquaintence show no signs of mental illness. Being an artist is unbelievably difficult. There is virtually no support or aid for individual artists, AND I'm not arguing that there should be more. There is a line between commercial (saleable) art, collectable art and 'aventeguard art' - it is a different debate - but without the financial freedom to be expressive creativity can be stifled. You need guts, drive, ambition and plain bloodymindedness to suceed.

Two weeks ago I was with a Polish artist suffering from a debilitating genetic illness, he probably has less than five years to live. His passion and enthusiasm were total. He was generous, funny, complimentary (of my wife's work). We stayed with him and his wife at their home outside Warsaw. Both mornings he was waiting downstairs ready to show us his work (he's a sculptor and photographer) propelling himself round his large studio on an office chair as big as life, a giant in his own world, never once allowing his illness to dominate his carisma. He had an exhibition opening at a major gallery in Warsaw, beautiful delicate arrangements of stones and cords, hung in space suspending reality. It is a mark of the esteem in which he is held that most of Polands 'great artists' arrived for the opening. He stood and greeted everyone, trembling from the illness racking his body, gave a short and humerous speech before escorting the assembled crowd into the exhibition with an aire that ignored his frailty. We hope to arrange an exhibition in Lisbon for him next year.

His wife is also an artist, possibly better known, she's represented Poland in two Venice biennials. Not for one moment did she promote herself until we asked to see her work. She is also a giant, caring for and projecting to the fore a man with limited time. I came back from Poland energised and enthused - for the human and the artist.
 
I think this is a bit overblown. Most artists are a bit eccentric, but crazy? No.

However, crazy artists get much more press and become much more famous. The only thing better is a dead formerly crazed artist. Your work will be displayed in the finest art museums for sure.
 
rhinoguy said:
and THAT irks me!

To me, if an artist cannot explain his work he is no Artist. He is merely a person expressing themselves (in the sense that a dog's anal glands are expressed) awkwardly in a visual medium.

true Art...is communication. In 2D, In music, In dance In Writing, in sculpture.

If it "just HAPPENS" to convery something....then it isn't Art...it's an accident.... might be beautiful...might be wonderful...but not ART.

now THAT's CRAZY!

Yup - me too. I rarely visit mixed exhibitions of several artists for that very reason. I need to see a body of work, a progression through years to understand where the artist is taking me. I can admire 'a beautiful thing' an abstract with pleasing colour and shape simply for what it is - but I need more, why the colours, why the shape, what led them there. My wife's current work is minimalistic to the point of abstraction and by far the best work of her career, the path was torturous yet it is there even in the very early works from more than thirty years ago that adorn my room. At her recent exhibition silence and platitudes greeted the unveiling of her work, over the next three days she was telephoned and called upon by artists congratulating her on the statement rendered through her work. It is rewarded enough to be congratulated by your peers, but sometimes, just sometimes, I'd prefer a more direct rendering.
 
Most of the artists I admire were crazy.

I think you have to be possessed by a certain savagery of mind that drives you to communicate your own ideas and visions.
 
I myself suspect it's the burden of imagination that troubles so many creative people. There's so much that can be imagined and a lot of it isn't pleasant.

And then there is clarity of vision. Because artists deal so much in illusion, they aren't as beholden to illusion as so many people are.

And there is the isolation. I especially resonated to that piece that Abs posted about how few venues there are for creative people to express themselves.

I found this out growing up. Where I grew up most guys were to go on to blue collar jobs. A lucky few would become doctors, lawyers or dentists; well paying jobs but not outside 'the norm'. Girls were to become wives and mothers.

Someone like me was 'just weird' and no one, not teachers nor my parents nor my peers had any idea what to do with me. It was made quite clear I had no future or place in the world.

Isolation is a very good way to go insane, and eventually I did.
 
I don't know about y'all, but I'm crazy. I enjoy writing and drawing and I do some 3D art work everyonce in a while....sometimes happening upon something awesome, but most of the time just playing and having a good time...

Most artists are just slightly off their rock...I think they have to be. In order to see the world in the way that their (our???) eyes do, their brain fires a little differently and functions just slightly off the psychological norm. They see things that other people don't, they see beauty and emotion like we see reds and blues (except for you color blind folks....)

I've just kind of accepted after about 6th grade that most of the good artists are crazy or drug addicts. Or both.
 
I think that creative people have more of an opportunity to go crazy. Look at the 'Depression and Mental Disorders' thread and see how many of the AH have had some problem with depression at some point.

It is my personal opinion that our brains work so fast and generate so many ideas and scenarios that we can quite easily get lost in ourselves, lost in the thoughts of our own failure or sadness. It's why I chose drink as my medium of comfort for a bit; the only thing that can slow my mind down.

The Earl
 
rgraham666 said:
Someone like me was 'just weird' and no one, not teachers nor my parents nor my peers had any idea what to do with me. It was made quite clear I had no future or place in the world.

I too spent most of my life not fitting in and not knowing why. I couldn't understand how anyone could go work at a job for 30-40 years and not go insane. I certainly couldn't do it, and I have the employment record to prove it.

It's only since I've started thinking of myself as a writer that I've found any peace at all with the world at large.
 
I'm happy to see some folks took the time to read this thread. Thank you. :rose: I came across that article when I was trying to find a list of famous creative people who were considered insane.
In the novel I'm working on the main character talks about the insanity in her family and how she feels about it in general. So basically it's also my take on things...and we've all witnessed my madness. :rolleyes:





"It was my destiny to join the ranks of my mad family. The exception being that their insanity showed on the outside, mine was on the inside.

Outwardly I seemed the extrovert pulling practical jokes, pretending like nothing bothered me. I laughed, I smiled and I honed my wit to a sharp and deadly sarcasm. Layers and layers of denial and repression hardened my outer shell while inside felt hollow.

“I only know that summer sang in me a little while, that in me sings no more.” The poet Edna St. Vincent Millay wrote that in one of her sonnets. I understand it completely because winter has lived inside me for so long. It has covered and drifted over anything that has made me happy leaving me frozen to the core.
There are theories about creative people and depression. It seems that creative people delve deeper into their unconscious making them more in tune with their emotions. As children artists see themselves as different. I’ve always felt different because my imagination was expressed so unlike anyone else in my family with the exception of my aunt Mary Jo. Insanity is expected of the creative mind and it’s processes.
I believed that to be true to the point I let my mind convince me that my unusual approaches on how I viewed life were askew and that it was okay. The creative mind is not only it’s own worst critic it is a perfectionist. If you miss something it’s there to quickly point it out to you and make a tiny flaw into a major catastrophe. The problem arises when it’s not just in your craft that this happens but also in your everyday life.
The ability to accept compliments is not within your power because you either see it as politeness or something more sinister. You ask yourself why they like it or what their real intentions are. If you don’t like what you’ve done then how could others? Can’t they see the imperfections?
I also prefer mad over insane. Madness has it’s own merits while insane is just crazy. Madness is more gothic and classic, insane is institutional, crazy should be comical along with nuts, whacko and loony. It can be a driving force when being creative but a hindrance when trying to exist. It’s hard to act normal with a war going on inside of your head. I know that’s what happened to aunt Mary Jo and I know why she was reclusive.
You can be fiercely independent. You can have opinions and voice them. You can amaze people with your creative gifts but you can never really be yourself. There will always be someone there to catch your mistakes and tell you what you are doing wrong in your life. When you are diagnosed as mentally ill, in any capacity, you obviously cannot make decisions for yourself. Madness can be confusing to explain but madness that is being experienced is very clear. It takes you down deep into your heart and shows you who you are but then it lets you know that your identity is also the Holy Grail of your existence."
 
ABSTRUSE said:
I'm happy to see some folks took the time to read this thread. Thank you. :rose: I came across that article when I was trying to find a list of famous creative people who were considered insane.
In the novel I'm working on the main character talks about the insanity in her family and how she feels about it in general. So basically it's also my take on things...and we've all witnessed my madness. :rolleyes:





"It was my destiny to join the ranks of my mad family. The exception being that their insanity showed on the outside, mine was on the inside.

Outwardly I seemed the extrovert pulling practical jokes, pretending like nothing bothered me. I laughed, I smiled and I honed my wit to a sharp and deadly sarcasm. Layers and layers of denial and repression hardened my outer shell while inside felt hollow.

“I only know that summer sang in me a little while, that in me sings no more.” The poet Edna St. Vincent Millay wrote that in one of her sonnets. I understand it completely because winter has lived inside me for so long. It has covered and drifted over anything that has made me happy leaving me frozen to the core.
There are theories about creative people and depression. It seems that creative people delve deeper into their unconscious making them more in tune with their emotions. As children artists see themselves as different. I’ve always felt different because my imagination was expressed so unlike anyone else in my family with the exception of my aunt Mary Jo. Insanity is expected of the creative mind and it’s processes.
I believed that to be true to the point I let my mind convince me that my unusual approaches on how I viewed life were askew and that it was okay. The creative mind is not only it’s own worst critic it is a perfectionist. If you miss something it’s there to quickly point it out to you and make a tiny flaw into a major catastrophe. The problem arises when it’s not just in your craft that this happens but also in your everyday life.
The ability to accept compliments is not within your power because you either see it as politeness or something more sinister. You ask yourself why they like it or what their real intentions are. If you don’t like what you’ve done then how could others? Can’t they see the imperfections?
I also prefer mad over insane. Madness has it’s own merits while insane is just crazy. Madness is more gothic and classic, insane is institutional, crazy should be comical along with nuts, whacko and loony. It can be a driving force when being creative but a hindrance when trying to exist. It’s hard to act normal with a war going on inside of your head. I know that’s what happened to aunt Mary Jo and I know why she was reclusive.
You can be fiercely independent. You can have opinions and voice them. You can amaze people with your creative gifts but you can never really be yourself. There will always be someone there to catch your mistakes and tell you what you are doing wrong in your life. When you are diagnosed as mentally ill, in any capacity, you obviously cannot make decisions for yourself. Madness can be confusing to explain but madness that is being experienced is very clear. It takes you down deep into your heart and shows you who you are but then it lets you know that your identity is also the Holy Grail of your existence."

Wow...........just, wow. :heart:

Woman, you are way more talented than you realize.
 
My mind functions at a much greater efficiency when my immediate surroundings are in a controlled state of chaos. I have an office in my home that is purely my own little place on the planet. I affectionately call it "The Batcave." In this room I keep many things of interest to me including some geckos. All these things that could possibly bring me even the tiniest inspiration are present, including a few messes.

Are we insane? I don't think so. I think we're capable of taking what anyone else would consider an insane thought, and simply convert it into something of an artistic nature, even into another more consumable thought. Insane people simply submit to the insanity. We put it to use. :D

:cool:
 
rgraham666 said:
But you wrote great smut. :(
AW, shucks. thanks.

I've just stored it away while I'm working on the novel. It sneaks back in now and then. :cool:
 
*burp*

It's easy for me. I'm doomed to fail because I'm trying to do one of the most difficult things imaginable.

I have thing A --- which is in my head.

I make thing B -- which I WANT to be thing A, not a representation of A but actually to BE thing A.

Then you come along and see/read/hear/ thing B... but to your thing B is not thing B but thing C... because you understand the words/color/sound differently.

In your head though, thing C becomes thing D.

I, as the artist, want D = A.

*LAUGH*

So why haven't I shot myself... because I've given up on the A -> B transition (I can't succeed as the thing said some of it is unconcious/subconcious or things I WILLFULLY do not look at inside myself except when I write) and I accept wholeheartedly that B -> C is the way life is.

But there's a chance, if I'm good enough, that while A != D, that D MEANS to the reader what A means to me.

In other words, we're trying to communicate... and from what I've seen on forums, personal relationships, friendships, hatreds... that's not an easy thing to do and people get REALLY pissed when the other side doesn't 'understand' your point.

Try to imagine that but with something that is who/what/why you are instead of whether or not 'Babe Ruth or Hank Aaron was the 'greatest home run hitter'.

And oh yeah... I accept wholeheartedly that I'm writing porn so really as long as someone/anyone gets off, iss all good.

I'll leave being an artiste to others.

ps. Hmmm... I think I just proved myself insane!
Sincerely,
ElSol
 
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