Article: Save Humanity - Have Sex! (or get a flu shot)

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The other good thing about sex - David P. Barash, L.A. Times, Nov. 2, 2005

IN SAMUEL BECKETT'S "Waiting for Godot," two tramps — Vladimir and Estragon — wait to see if Godot will arrive. Today, in evolution's worldwide theater of the worrisome and real, we're all waiting to see if the bird flu virus will get around to attacking us big time. Godot never showed up; H5N1 just might.

On the other hand, if the dreaded bird flu pandemic doesn't appear, it may be due to luck, or the quarantine and slaughter of infected animals, or other timely and effective public health measures (of which admittedly there have been precious few thus far), or — oddly enough — sex.

There appears to be a curious connection between sex and disease, one that evolutionary biologists have only recently come to appreciate, and that cuts against the grain of conventional wisdom — which equates sex with sexually transmitted diseases. Thus, biologists have long scratched their collective heads about sex, starting with this conundrum: Sex isn't necessary.

Lots of living things reproduce by parthenogenesis (the development of unfertilized eggs) or simply by sending out shoots or buds. Not only does asexual reproduction avoid the many direct hassles of sex — the need to find a suitable mate, the time and effort of courtship, the risk of being injured or infected during the act — it also gets around a huge genetic drawback: Genes within a sexually reproducing creature enjoy only a 50% chance that they will be transmitted to any given offspring, whereas asexual reproduction guarantees that each gene has a 100% certainty of being projected into the future. And projecting genes into the future is what evolution is all about.

This 50% cost imposed by sexual reproduction had long troubled evolutionary scientists. Until, that is, British biologist William D. Hamilton came up with the idea that sexual reproduction might be a tactic in an evolutionary arms race between hosts and their diseases.

First, let's face the disconcerting fact that there are many more of them (pathogens and parasites) than us (free-living organisms). After all, every multicellular critter is home to thousands, often millions, of internal free-loaders. Considering just one group of worms, invertebrate biologist Ralph Buchsbaum has suggested that "if all the matter in the universe except the nematodes were swept away, our world would still be dimly recognizable. Trees would still stand in ghostly rows representing our streets and highways. The location of the various plants and animals would still be decipherable."

Nematodes and all the rest seek to live at our expense; we, in turn, seek to thwart them. If we, the unwitting and unwilling hosts, stay genetically the same from one generation to the next, then we are sitting ducks, easy targets for "them."

Enter sex. By mixing and matching our genes, sexually reproducing creatures bob and weave, creating new genetic combinations with every bout of reproduction, confounding — or at least challenging — our pathogens and parasites by creating moving targets instead of sitting ducks. Because of their generally short life spans, pathogens can evolve rapidly compared with ourselves; via the diversity-creating mechanism of sex, we level — somewhat — the evolutionary playing field. At least some bacteria, worms and viruses are unable to draw a bead on our descendants.

Maybe — unlike Godot — a bird flu plague will arrive after all. While we wait to find out, at least we have something to do to amuse ourselves. And if we succeed in dodging the bullet, we might want to offer thanks — not only to veterinarians, virologists, public health workers and the gods of our choice — but also to sex.

DAVID P. BARASH, an evolutionary biologist, is professor of psychology at the University of Washington.
 
Hi, Dita. Nice to see you back.
One problem with that idea is that it would only involve penile-vaginal sex that is likely to produce offspring. It couldn't include any kind of oral or anal sex or masturbation or any kind of protected sex. I wonder if it would be necessary to use the missionary position at night, under the covers with all lights turned out and the husband and wife (only) avoiding any sinful thoughts or other pleasure. :confused:
 
Thanks for the welcome, Box. Good point, obviously this piece only considers reproductive sex. Still, I like the idea of such a human practice having a bit more edge than usually considered. P.
 
perdita said:
Thanks for the welcome, Box. Good point, obviously this piece only considers reproductive sex. Still, I like the idea of such a human practice having a bit more edge than usually considered. P.

Interesting article. I have not thought of that "edge" before but now that I think I seem to realize that this connection between sex and health has been recognized for quite sometime. In my knowledge some Buddhist, Hindu, and the Sufi sects believe in the mystical powers of sex being of benifit to both the mental and physical health of an individual.

Oh, Hello and Welcome Back. :cool:

~Moonie.
 
moonlight elf said:
Interesting article. I have not thought of that "edge" before but now that I think I seem to realize that this connection between sex and health has been recognized for quite sometime. In my knowledge some Buddhist, Hindu, and the Sufi sects believe in the mystical powers of sex being of benifit to both the mental and physical health of an individual.

Oh, Hello and Welcome Back. :cool:

~Moonie.

Of all the religions, I believe only Christian Fundies think that sex is somehow bad for you.
 
Boxlicker101 said:
Of all the religions, I believe only Christian Fundies think that sex is somehow bad for you.

I think it is the idea of sexual morality that these religions teach, and the taboo placed on certain sexual acts such as premarital sex and anal sex that somehow translates to this idea that sex is bad. But I could be wrong.
 
How can one dislike anything that starts by quoting Beckett, however gratuitously?

That said, I think there's an error in logic in the comment on the "50% penalty" in passing on genes through sexual reproduction. That assumes that one's genes are all present as the perfect, ideal expression and that the organism is not capable of a better expression. Others have looked at the 50/50 contribution of sexual reproduction as its chief benefit; it allows many more expressions and combinations of genes to occur, increasing the chances of a substantially improved combination of being found. It's true that if that "new and improve" creature is created, it will only pass on half of its genes to its offspring - but it's also likely to have many offspring due to its enhanced abilities.

No?

Shanglan
 
moonlight elf said:
I think it is the idea of sexual morality that these religions teach, and the taboo placed on certain sexual acts such as premarital sex and anal sex that somehow translates to this idea that sex is bad. But I could be wrong.

I've recently encountered some very interesting and very persuasive comments on how this sort of thing arose from a Marxist/economic perspective. I found the ideas fascinating, but not everyone likes to delve into Marxist analysis of social and financial structures. If anyone is interested, I'm happy to divulge; if not, I will shut my big horsey mouth. :rolleyes:

Shanglan
 
BlackShanglan said:
I've recently encountered some very interesting and very persuasive comments on how this sort of thing arose from a Marxist/economic perspective. I found the ideas fascinating, but not everyone likes to delve into Marxist analysis of social and financial structures. If anyone is interested, I'm happy to divulge; if not, I will shut my big horsey mouth. :rolleyes:

Shanglan

I'm a weirdo so I would like to hear. I have to run for tonight though....I have class in the morning. But I'll be back to get all the details, my horsey friend :)







edited cause I can't spell :eek: :rolleyes:
 
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moonlight elf said:
I'm a weirdo so I would like to hear. I have to run for tonight though....I have class in the morning. But I'll be back to get all the details my horsay friend :)

She started it. ;)

All right. Here's the essential theory. We start with a core Marxist assumption: the relation of the laborer to the product of his labors is the key relationship in all human life. Essentially, the ways in which we produce and are rewarded dictate everything that arises in our society. We can generalize that up a little and end with this broader statement: economic principles of production and control of the means of production are the chief forces shaping society. In a competitive society we are taught to view everything, including other people, in this light: either as producers of goods we desire, products to be consumed, or competition for produced resources.

Sexual prohibitions, then, become largely a matter of production and control of means of production. This makes sense, first of all, of the traditional double standard of most sexual mores; they are applied much more strictly to women than to men. Under this theory, that would be because women are producers of commodities men desire: legitimate children. Only by controlling the wife - the producer of that product - can the man ensure that he controls the nature and production of the commodity. Thus, he enacts draconian rules about female sexual behavior in order to safeguard his "factory" that produces babies.

On the broader level, there is also the issue of patrimony. In many Western societies (especially in the English society to which the author I'm about to loosely paraphrase was referring), inheritance worked largely according to primogeniture - inheritance of all "real" (landed) estate by the eldest male child. The goal here was, again, control of the means of production; by keeping the huge estates intact, the social and financial position of the family was secured, whereas splitting it up amongst all children would, in a few generations, reduce all of them to a level at which they could not exercise effective power. Under that sort of system, a key goal - one more important, actually, than any individual person's desires, as the creation of the laws of entail will attest - was the goal of keeping that estate intact. "Loose women" were then a serious danger. Seductive women outside of the estate/family structure - mistresses - were a problem because they drained resources from the estate and diverted it away from the patrimony and the single male heir. A sexually promiscuous wife was even more of a danger; she might actually allow someone else's child to inherit the estate. Indeed, if there was doubt as to whether the children of one's wife were actually one's own, one could not, in many cases, will the estate to them at all until an ecclesiastical court had ruled on the question of the wife's possible adultery and established the accepted parentage of the children. Thus, again, the promiscuous wife is more severely punished than the erring husband because her actions have greater financial repercussions.

Anal and oral sex fit into this mold if we examine the idea of the female as the means of production in a society in which infant mortality was high and life rather tenuous. Sexual activity not directed to child production was energy wasted and a poor use of the production facilities. In addition, encouraging sensuality or sexuality not related to production of babies might encourage the wife to seek such pleasures elsewhere. This is, on a less horrific level, the same logic as that of ritual genital mutilation in some Middle Eastern and African cultures. Because the female is the means of production of legitimate children, it is in the male's interest to safeguard that "legitimate" element by discouraging all other sexual contact or things that could lead to sexual contact. Any measure that reduces female sexual pleasure is, in that point of view, good; it mitigates temptation for her to perform other roles than that of servile means of production.

This also can explain prohibitions against male homosexual behavior. Males, being the producers (through their wives) of children, must also be encouraged to perform that role because human capital was largely what kept society moving. Expending sexual energy on other males diverts energy from reproduction, which was a major drive in earlier times in a way that is hard to imagine in modern periods of "population control." When a good plague or war could wipe out ten or even twenty percent of the population, breeding had to be continued - production had to be encouraged. This was especially true when those at the top of the social order consumed vast quantities of resources. When every aristocrat needs a thousand or more peasants laboring for him, the drive to produce humans is strong, and the prohibitions of behaviors not producing humans is equally strong.

Hence, too, those areas of sexual excess traditionally overlooked. Female homosexuality - hardly ever mentioned. There are hardly even any words for it prior to the twentieth century. Partly, no doubt, this comes from the figuration of the female as a passive, submissive, receptive partner; to the imagination of the time, two passive receptors weren't going to get up to anything on their own. But female homoerotic desire also endangers no one's bloodline or purse strings, and so is largley overlooked. So, too, the open secret of male homosexuality in the upper classes, at least in later time periods. Upper class males don't need to reproduce any more often than their wives are fertile, they each have money, and they spent long periods of their lives (at least in the 1800's) in each others' company during times when they theoretically weren't meant to be having sex with anyone - pre-marriage. Sex with a woman before marriage was a financial threat; if she fell pregnant or possibly sued for breach of promise, it could be expensive. Males were much more safe so long as they didn't talk. When they did, of course, they were promptly crucified, as Wilde can attest - but, one might argue, largely out of fear that the whole system would collapse if people suddenly embraced pleasure rather than production as the guiding principle.

Shanglan
 
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moonlight elf said:
I think it is the idea of sexual morality that these religions teach, and the taboo placed on certain sexual acts such as premarital sex and anal sex that somehow translates to this idea that sex is bad. But I could be wrong.

It goes beyond that. Even sex as a pleasurable act would be wrong. Husbands and wives should have sex, to produce children, but they shouldn't have fun or lust for each other while doing it.
 
Boxlicker101 said:
It goes beyond that. Even sex as a pleasurable act would be wrong. Husbands and wives should have sex, to produce children, but they shouldn't have fun or lust for each other while doing it.


Who believes that exactly?

Anyone reading Song of Songs wouldn't!

TO me, sex has always been promoted as a good thing between husband and wife. I've never heard of it being condemned as being just a way to make babies! I've been a Christian all my life, attended loads of christian churches, events, retreat centres and holidays for young and old alike. I've never ever ever come across the above feeling at all.

Is it that UK Christians are a bit more pro sex or something?

I love the idea of sex being good for you in so many ways. Wait till I tell my hubby!

"Darling, I don't want to get the flu, could you fuck me lots please?" :D
 
Without ruining the fun of the article (or completely ruining the fun of the article), it really doesn't have anything to do with the sexual act as such. It's simply that a population of sexual reproducing creatures has a wider array of genetic material than a population of asexually reproducing creatures. Therefore, within the population of humans, or cats, or bears, or what have you, there are a wider range of genetic profiles and thus a greater chance of some individuals being immune to a disease than, say, with certain species of whiptail lizards.

I love Waiting for Godot, but the reference in that article is just plain pretentious! Which, I kind of like.
 
BlackShanglan said:
That said, I think there's an error in logic in the comment on the "50% penalty" in passing on genes through sexual reproduction. That assumes that one's genes are all present as the perfect, ideal expression and that the organism is not capable of a better expression. Others have looked at the 50/50 contribution of sexual reproduction as its chief benefit; it allows many more expressions and combinations of genes to occur, increasing the chances of a substantially improved combination of being found. It's true that if that "new and improve" creature is created, it will only pass on half of its genes to its offspring - but it's also likely to have many offspring due to its enhanced abilities.

No?

From whose perspective, though? The gene-centered view of evolution would hold that you (general you) are a vehicle for your genes and not vice versa; hence evolution isn't really concerned with "new and improved" exactly.

Having said that, that is more or less the point addressed by the article, sexual reproduction results in a greater genetic diversity which does result in some benefits (in this case resistance to disease).
 
Equinoxe said:
Without ruining the fun of the article (or completely ruining the fun of the article), it really doesn't have anything to do with the sexual act as such.
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I love Waiting for Godot, but the reference in that article is just plain pretentious! Which, I kind of like.
I like that, you.

Perdita
 
BlackShanglan said:
How can one dislike anything that starts by quoting Beckett, however gratuitously?

My first thought on reading it. Completely superfluous literary referencing, but we'll not complain as it's referencing Godot.

The Earl
 
Actually, pals, referencing "Godot" is way past lit pretensions. There may be plenty of proles twixt the U.S. coasts who wouldn't recognize the phrase, or its author, but it's an oft' heard common ref. now, rather like quoting "To be, or not to be" (maybe even "Eat my shorts" :p .)

For me, beginning a piece of journalism with a quote from Wittgenstein or Godard, now that would be good pretence.

Snobbily yours,

Perdita :cool:
 
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