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[Meat Whistler]

it is NOT "full of contests" there ARE contests to be sure.
Why NOT add you wrok to the mix?
The more galleries...the higher proportion of "Showings" to contests.

The contests as Halo pointed out are just an incentive to stimulate more creation around a theme!

Dark, I appreciate your enthusiasm. You created a thread about the number of contests on this forum and I responded with my opinion. I, personally, feel that there are far too many contests on this forum. I stand by my opinion and will choose not to participate.

I think there are enough people who will enjoy that type of format and allow the board to continue down that path. I will continue to post on other forums that are more tailored to my interests.

 

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[Halo_n_horns]

Did I say art doesn't get created no matter what the occasion? No.

Then, please, say what it is that you're meaning. You're coming off as cryptic at best. Art is creation no matter what the circumstance; contest, blue sky, tomato soup, hair up the ass, etc.

I think my ideas of the words pure and impure greatly differ from yours, but I find it interesting that you view artists as pure and impure.

I doubt that seriously. I think you're looking to play with semantics here and that's simply not necassary. Its the mentalities behind the art that I find pure or impure.

I believe I said I take art somewhat seriously. (Please view above if need be.) Taking someone out of context is poor conversational etiquette. If you want to ask me what I consider serious and non-serious art, that is a completely different discussion altogether.

Yes. You said that you take art somewhat seriously, and also proceeded to knock the efforts of the artists here as less than serious. You're implying that you have ideas of serious and not-so serious art endeavors. You even said, "I put on my not so serious about art hat when I visit this forum" (Please view above if need be). If that is not the context that you're using, please, by all means, feel free to write in the context that you'd like to be taken in.

Artists who market their work to a group of people with similar interests have sold themselves out? Interesting perspective and again, I disagree.

That's not what I said (Please view above if need be). I said that if artists consider their art to be highbrow then they've sold out to the money. They've let their ego take control. Any artist can market his or herself for profit, but as soon that profit goes to his or her head, well, he or she has sold out.

Have I scrutinized anyone's art? No. I have said that I don't like the idea of having so many contests on a Visual Arts board. I haven't mocked anyone's work, nor do I intend to.

Really? I'll quote it again:

I put on my not so serious about art hat when I visit this forum

If that statement is yet another that's somehow being taken out of context, then again, please, feel free to write in the context that you wish to be taken. Otherwise you've made a very broad, scrutinous bit of commentary about all of the artists in this thread.

Put my art where my mouth is? My mouth said that I don't wish to participate in a forum full of contests. My statements were that this forum has far too many contests for my liking. If I were to put my art where my mouth is, I wouldn't show my art here.

Cool. Where in these forums would you like to show it so that we can have a gander at it?

I'm being completely sincere when I say that you should read my words more carefully rather than jump to your own conclusions about what you think I meant.

This is one of the great fuck-ups of typing rather than speaking. If you don't want to be taken a certain way, then don't write in that way. Your commentary was taken the same way by two different people. Your wordings were the only commonality there. That means that your wordings were either incorrect and should have been different, or they were correct and now you're trying to step away from having to back them up.
Similarly, if you go back and read my original reply, exactly the way I wrote it, you'd see that the "contests" are not contests in the way that you are choosing to view them. If you know a word that works better than "contest" and still fits the terms that I've described, then by all means feel free to share it and we'll no longer call the contest threads "contests."

 

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[Halo_n_horns]

LOOK OUT!
here i go again.

I don't think so.

I think that we have a term/word "Art" to distinguish from "mere" creation.
If "Art" is any visual expression...then why even have a word "art"?


I believe that "Art" implies some measure of quality or substance. Certainly not a perfect measure by any stretch.

I distingush between "self-expression" and "Art"

To me there needs to be a measure of "mastery" and a message...this INCLUDES "outsider" (non "trained") art (which can be "masterful").. to be considered "Art"

Sounds fair enough to me.

What about calling the contests "Spectacles" rather than contests? There would still be voting, but that's always been more to attract viewership than anything. Or would Spectacles not fit correctly? Couldn't fit anymore incorrectly than contest does, that's for sure.

How about "The Literotica Artists Guild Viewings" ... ?

 

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[Halo_n_horns]

hmmmmm "guild" sounds a bit "exclusive"...and like there might be Dues!

I do like Spectacles!

or

ExtravagGonZo!

I thought that "contest" was corny enough when these got started up. ExtravagGonZo! would definitely be over the top.

Spectacles isn't horrible. I'd like to see something classy, something that's not uptight but doesn't scream FREAKSHOW HERE either. Y'know what I mean?

I think we've lost Meat Whistler. That'll be a shame. I was looking forward to seeing her artworks.

 

[Halo_n_horns]

PS ...

I'm outta here for a while. Gotta help someone move some furniture. Its the curse of owning a truck, I guess.

 

[Meat Whistler]

***I doubt that seriously. I think you're looking to play with semantics here and that's simply not necassary. Its the mentalities behind the art that I find pure or impure.

I think it's fantastic that you think you know the mentality of an artist enough to call them a pure or impure artist.

Yes. You said that you take art somewhat seriously, and also proceeded to knock the efforts of the artists here as less than serious. You're implying that you have ideas of serious and not-so serious art endeavors. You even said, "I put on my not so serious about art hat when I visit this forum" (Please view above if need be). If that is not the context that you're using, please, by all means, feel free to write in the context that you'd like to be taken in.

Please show me where I knocked the efforts of the artists here as less than serious. I said I enjoy art and take it somewhat seriously. I do put on my not so serious hat when here because I don't find tons of contests to be serious. If there were one contest/month or something similar, I might take it more seriously, but it's a moot point. It really is a matter of personal opinion.

That's not what I said (Please view above if need be). I said that if artists consider their art to be highbrow then they've sold out to the money. They've let their ego take control. Any artist can market his or herself for profit, but as soon that profit goes to his or her head, well, he or she has sold out.

Actually, this is how it went:

Said by Meat Whistler: Are you saying that no artist considers their work particularly highbrow or lowbrow? You would be wrong. There are plenty of artists who consider their own work highbrow and/or lowbrow and enjoy existing within that arena, just as many consider their work "outsider art" and promote it as such.

Said by Halo_n_horns: They would only be artists who have sold out their egos, and talent, to the almighty dollar.

Interesting, really.

Otherwise you've made a very broad, scrutinous bit of commentary about all of the artists in this thread.

Actually, no. I've said I think the amount of contests on this board is ridiculous and excessive. I thought that was fairly clear.

Cool. Where in these forums would you like to show it so that we can have a gander at it?

You are more than welcome to search the big, bad Internet for art-related boards. I also enjoy the General Board or the GLBT forum found right here at Lit. I used to check out the How To forum quite a bit as well.

This is one of the great fuck-ups of typing rather than speaking. If you don't want to be taken a certain way, then don't write in that way. Your commentary was taken the same way by two different people. Your wordings were the only commonality there. That means that your wordings were either incorrect and should have been different, or they were correct and now you're trying to step away from having to back them up.
Similarly, if you go back and read my original reply, exactly the way I wrote it, you'd see that the "contests" are not contests in the way that you are choosing to view them. If you know a word that works better than "contest" and still fits the terms that I've described, then by all means feel free to share it and we'll no longer call the contest threads "contests."

Interesting - you're the only one protesting my statements. In fact, the other person who has posted seems to understand my feelings, even if they don't agree. But, you are more than welcome to find 15 people that agree with you and my feelings and statements on the subject will remain the same.

My words were not incorrect, nor can you really fight my opinion. You can try, but my opinion is mine. I'm trying to step away from backing them up? Where? I'm simply providing my opinion on the question at hand - the contests. I feel there are far too many and I stand by that opinion. I don't really need to back it up, though I did point out that 13 threads out of 48 threads were about contests.

You can call a bird an elephant and it would still be a bird. And you were crying semantics earlier. Heh.

I admire your passion for this forum, I do. It's fantastic that you guys are promoting this board on other sections of Lit. I think you might be allowing your passion for this forum to get in the way of seeing my point as my opinion. I accept that the board will remain here with numerous contests and I think it's great for those who participate. I just choose not to participate, though I will stop by to view the galleries.

 

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[Halo_n_horns]

I think it's fantastic that you think you know the mentality of an artist enough to call them a pure or impure artist.

Please show me where I knocked the efforts of the artists here as less than serious. I said I enjoy art and take it somewhat seriously. I do put on my not so serious hat when here because I don't find tons of contests to be serious. If there were one contest/month or something similar, I might take it more seriously, but it's a moot point. It really is a matter of personal opinion.

Actually, this is how it went:

Said by Meat Whistler: Are you saying that no artist considers their work particularly highbrow or lowbrow? You would be wrong. There are plenty of artists who consider their own work highbrow and/or lowbrow and enjoy existing within that arena, just as many consider their work "outsider art" and promote it as such.

Said by Halo_n_horns: They would only be artists who have sold out their egos, and talent, to the almighty dollar.

Interesting, really.

Actually, no. I've said I think the amount of contests on this board is ridiculous and excessive. I thought that was fairly clear.

You are more than welcome to search the big, bad Internet for art-related boards. I also enjoy the General Board or the GLBT forum found right here at Lit. I used to check out the How To forum quite a bit as well.

Interesting - you're the only one protesting my statements. In fact, the other person who has posted seems to understand my feelings, even if they don't agree. But, you are more than welcome to find 15 people that agree with you and my feelings and statements on the subject will remain the same.

My words were not incorrect, nor can you really fight my opinion. You can try, but my opinion is mine. I'm trying to step away from backing them up? Where? I'm simply providing my opinion on the question at hand - the contests. I feel there are far too many and I stand by that opinion. I don't really need to back it up, though I did point out that 13 threads out of 48 threads were about contests.

You can call a bird an elephant and it would still be a bird. And you were crying semantics earlier. Heh.

I admire your passion for this forum, I do. It's fantastic that you guys are promoting this board on other sections of Lit. I think you might be allowing your passion for this forum to get in the way of seeing my point as my opinion. I accept that the board will remain here with numerous contests and I think it's great for those who participate. I just choose not to participate, though I will stop by to view the galleries.

Ok. Ok. Ok. Tell ya what, you win. So, in lieu of your victory, what would you have the artists here do that will inspire ongoing, friendly, inspired but challenging works of art on a regular basis? I'm ASSuming that because you had such a strong opinion about the way things are currently going, that you also thought through a better way of producing the same results that the contests (I'm disliking that word more and more ... ) are generating?

Remember; the contests were created to push the artists on a regular basis; to help them exercise their skills and possibly even develop better and/or other skills in the process. What do you believe we can do to accomplish those things here at this forum? And also keep in mind, the artists currently like the way things are going, so whatever you've thought through as an alternative needs to be at least as satisfying as what they currently have.

 

[Meat Whistler]

but WHY??? why are MORE and FREQUENT contests "less serious" than few and far between? in your opinion.

***don't worry no one will get hurt...just back away from the candy

It is a matter of opinion, Glasses. I don't know what an adequate example would be, as these contests are not "serious" by nature (they are on an erotic literature board, after all), but take for example, The Nobel Peace Prize. It is given yearly and is a serious award. If they were to give out The Nobel Peace Prize every month, it would cheapen the award. Again, it is comparing apples to oranges, but I think it illustrates my point.

As for your last statement? I obviously missed something.

Ok. Ok. Ok. Tell ya what, you win. So, in lieu of your victory, what would you have the artists here do that will inspire ongoing, friendly, inspired but challenging works of art on a regular basis? I'm ASSuming that because you had such a strong opinion about the way things are currently going, that you also thought through a better way of producing the same results that the contests (I'm disliking that word more and more ... ) are generating?

Remember; the contests were created to push the artists on a regular basis; to help them exercise their skills and possibly even develop better and/or other skills in the process. What do you believe we can do to accomplish those things here at this forum? And also keep in mind, the artists currently like the way things are going, so whatever you've thought through as an alternative needs to be at least as satisfying as what they currently have.

I wasn't attempting to win anything; I was giving my opinion and you were debating it.

You ASSumed incorrectly. I have strong opinions on the way things are, have already proposed something I feel would be more appropriate, and as you stated above, the community likes things the way they are. There is no sense in changing the way things are run because I don't enjoy it or find it to be helpful. It's called democracy; it's a beautiful thing.

 

[Halo_n_horns]

It is a matter of opinion, Glasses. I don't know what an adequate example would be, as these contests are not "serious" by nature (they are on an erotic literature board, after all), but take for example, The Nobel Peace Prize. It is given yearly and is a serious award. If they were to give out The Nobel Peace Prize every month, it would cheapen the award. Again, it is comparing apples to oranges, but I think it illustrates my point.

As for your last statement? I obviously missed something.



I wasn't attempting to win anything; I was giving my opinion and you were debating it.

You ASSumed incorrectly. I have strong opinions on the way things are, have already proposed something I feel would be more appropriate, and as you stated above, the community likes things the way they are. There is no sense in changing the way things are run because I don't enjoy it or find it to be helpful. It's called democracy; it's a beautiful thing.

uh-hu.

 

[Meat Whistler]

uh-hu.

That was insightful. If you read it, it actually makes sense.

 

[Halo_n_horns]

That was insightful. If you read it, it actually makes sense.

Ok. Take care.

 

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[Meat Whistler]

no, not much.

These "contests" are NOT about the PRIZE and Status of "winning"

Halo has said that several times.

They are freindly exercises!
and though there may be silliness and lightheartedness in them.

For me they are VERY serious.

I realize you readily admit that Nobel Prize is a poor analogy...
which is true....you don't "enter" a nobel prize "contes" ..in fact it ISN'T a "competion" ...you are nominated.

This here is a whole 'nother ball o' wax (conté, graphite, pixels...)

in many ways it is a community effort...to see and share ideas and solutions and THAT is serious.

I am not negating the validity of you having an opinion...but I do think you should reassess you view on THIS board. You alluded to being someone who creates (though never specified)....give it a go....even if you think it "silly".
or not.

What didn't make sense about: I have strong opinions on the way things are, have already proposed something I feel would be more appropriate, and as you stated above, the community likes things the way they are. There is no sense in changing the way things are run because I don't enjoy it or find it to be helpful. It's called democracy; it's a beautiful thing.

Please tell me what didn't make sense and I will gladly assist you in the reading comprehension process.

I fully admit that the Nobel Prize analogy was poor, but I think you understood my point. If you didn't, I'll put it simply - moderation is key.

I am very glad that you can take this seriously and learn something from it. I can't. You asked opinions on the frequency of the contests; I responded.

 

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[Meat Whistler]

I ASKED ages ago.

I understand that you have an opinion. I don't understand WHY that is your opinion...in that the "contests" are hardly "contests"...they are more like visual art "catalysts".

I really think you are just being stubborn.

I said you (Meat WHistler) can help to change things BY posting what you believe would make the forum better....
threads of discussion...YOUR art....commentary about the entries in the contests....questions...suggestions....there is plenty of room...and an open invitation...the contests are just a PORTION of the Forum.

You have only prosed LESS contests....try MORE Galleries...or whatever YOU like.

A month is ages ago? Heh.

I don't think you've tried to understand my opinion, but I'm not really searching for understanding. You think I'm being stubborn because my opinion differs from yours. I feel you're being rather immature by not attempting to understand that someone has an opinion that differs from yours, regardless of if you understand the whys.

I will not be posting a gallery here; however, I will definitely start topics of interest (to me) on this forum. That wasn't even an issue.

 

[Halo_n_horns]

I don't think you've tried to understand my opinion, but I'm not really searching for understanding. You think I'm being stubborn because my opinion differs from yours. I feel you're being rather immature by not attempting to understand that someone has an opinion that differs from yours, regardless of if you understand the whys.

You prefer that the artists here should take longer periods of quality time to create greater quality works that would be more worth while to present in a so-called "contest."

You also believe that because there are so many so-called contests in this particular forum that the quality of the forum has been somehow lessened or cheapened because the participants are rushing into their projects rather than taking the time to plan out their thoughts and create art of a greater calibur.

In short; you believe that quality time + quality effort + plus less frequency of so-called "contests" = greater quality forum for all persons involved either passively or directly.

Do I have this correct?

 

[Meat Whistler]

You prefer that the artists here should take longer periods of quality time to create greater quality works that would be more worth while to present in a so-called "contest."

You also believe that because there are so many so-called contests in this particular forum that the quality of the forum has been somehow lessened or cheapened because the participants are rushing into their projects rather than taking the time to plan out their thoughts and create art of a greater calibur.

In short; you believe that quality time + quality effort + plus less frequency of so-called "contests" = greater quality forum for all persons involved either passively or directly.

Do I have this correct?

No, but please, continue to put words into my mouth! It's funny.